….or like I'm an old, which I am.

So if we beat tu, we go to the SEC Championship game for sure, right?

What if we beat Samford but lose to tu? There could be 3 or 4 SEC teams with 1 conference loss. How would that work? Especially in the absence of certain head to heads.

https://gprivate.com/6j2u0

answer to the first question is yes. Beat tu and we're 100% in.

The answer to the second question is we will need other stuff to happen in order to get in if we lose to tu. Quantum rocket genetics mechanics outside of that answer.

Yes 8-0 guarantees

7-1 goes to tiebreaker rules and we miss it

Play with this:

https://bball.notnothing.net/sec.php?sport=fb

It's crazy that we went into the Longhorn game 8-3 last year with a win-and-you're-in situation for the championship game. Now, a year later, we'll be 11-0 and be in the exact same situation.

Scenarios simplified

A&M:
Win and in
Loss and everyone else loses

Bama:
Win and in
Loss and everyone else loses

UGA:
(DONE WITH CONFERENCE GAMES)
Bama or A&M loss

Ole Miss:
Win AND
Everyone else lose

Bama and A&M control their destinies and everyone else needs help

We could still get in if Alabama and Ole Miss both lose.

If we were to lose to Texas we would not go to the SEC title game, without help.
we do not hold the tie breaker , which is a strength of schedule formula.
We do not currently have a win over anybody in the top half of the standings

If we were to lose and Finish with 1 loss along with Georgia, Bama (Beat Auburn), Ole Miss (beat Miss State) ..we would actually be the #4 team in that scenario.

KCup17 said:

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Scenarios simplified

A&M:
Win and in
Loss and everyone else loses

Bama:
Win and in
Loss and everyone else loses

UGA:
Win AND
Bama or A&M loss

Ole Miss:
Win AND
Everyone else lose

Bama and A&M control their destinies and everyone else needs help

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What conf game do you have UGA playing?

They are done with conf games.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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We could still get in if Alabama and Ole Miss both lose.

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This is true.

Our only solid route that will secure everything for us is to beat tu though.

If we beat the sips, likely would face Georgia. But, if Bama wins out then the thing determining 2nd place SEC is the win % of opponents compared to that of Georgia

ABATTBQ11 said:

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We could still get in if Alabama and Ole Miss both lose.

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that's the " Loss and everyone else loses" part

Would the outcome of the SEC title game have much impact on making the playoffs or the seeding? I would think only if it were a blowout.

torrid said:

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Would the outcome of the SEC title game have much impact on making the playoffs or the seeding? I would think only if it were a blowout.

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Only depends on what the committee chooses to use and value. Things have been said before that have not then reflected how this and previous committees have made decisions. Plus, the chair of the committee has been replaced so now we don't even know what this year's committee will be like.

You are right on that I keep forgetting they are done. I'll edit my post

I know I am in the minority on this as many don't want to play OU/cow/Mizzou every year, but I strongly believe that the SEC needs to go back to divisions, put Mizzou in the West and Bama and Auburn in the East and do a 7-2 schedule. Yes that is 3 old big 12 teams but we also play Pig, lsu, both Miss. teams and 2 from the east (Bama, FL, UT, Auburn, etc). So that is a good SEC schedule.

You will still play all teams in a 4 year period, though admittedly not both home and away.

Win the division and go to ATL for SEC CG, and division rankings are based on overall SEC record as before. There are just too many teams that don't play each other, we need more H2H games which will also create W/L separation. It's not really a conference with that many teams not playing each other IMHO.

It is not going to be atypical to have 4 or even 5 teams finish with the same record and 1 or 2 of them didn't play any of the other 3 or 4 or only played 1.

It's ridiculous and you are then having the SEC title game teams decided by a random result of 2 teams at the bottom of the table.

We will beat cow but for this example assume we lose. All others win out. So Bama and UGA go to the title game, even though it would be a rematch so it's like the first game H2H result means absolutely nothing and neither Ole Miss or aTm go to ATL in favor of UGA who already lost to Bama.

Ridiculous system. I know divisions don't completely eliminate no the possibility of a rematch, but more H2H games more clearly defines the top teams.

For 2025 we would have played Ole Miss and OU. I still do not even want cow and OU in the SEC and hate the thought of playing those 2 plus Mizzou every year, but the current system is f****d IMHO.

So we either finish 4th in the conference or 1st? WTF

alexandertheok said:

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So we either finish 4th in the conference or 1st? WTF

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Also a 2nd place scenario.

But yes, this SEC setup AND there even being the conference championship game is not working well.

No idea if accurate.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sec-championship-updates-tiebreakers-texas-a-m-alabama-georgia-ole-miss/

Texas A&M reaches SEC Championship if ...
Beat Texas OR
Auburn beats Alabama, Mississippi State beats Ole Miss

Alabama reaches SEC Championship if ...
Beat Auburn, Texas beats Texas A&M OR
Beat Auburn, Mississippi State beats Ole Miss OR
Beat Auburn; Alabama wins three-way tie with Ole Miss/Georgia based on SEC opponent winning percentage

Georgia reaches SEC Championship if ...
Auburn beats Alabama OR
Texas beats Texas A&M OR
Ole Miss beats Mississippi State; Georgia wins three-way tie with Alabama/Ole Miss based on SEC opponent winning percentage

Ole Miss reaches SEC Championship if ...
Beat Mississippi State, Texas beats Texas A&M, Auburn beats Alabama

TAMUallen said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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We could still get in if Alabama and Ole Miss both lose.

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This is true.

Our only solid route that will secure everything for us is to beat tu though.

If we beat the sips, likely would face Georgia. But, if Bama wins out then the thing determining 2nd place SEC is the win % of opponents compared to that of Georgia

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Are you sure that it's not Bama over Georgia due to H2H, before looking at win % of opponents?

A&M is In with a Win.
A&M is In with a Loss if Alabama and Ole Miss lose.

…If mizzou beats OU, Vandy beats Kentucky, Alabama loses, A&M loses, Ole Miss wins, Mizzou beats Ark, and LSU beats OU, the. It goes to scoring margin to see who makes it between A&M and Ole Miss

If the ultimate goal is the NATTY then there is no advantage for us to play in this Championship game. The game is useless (except for some prestige)

Therefore if we lose to the sips this will give us one advantage over our CFP opponent. More rest without the potential injuries.

But if we lose on Black Friday I also think we lose a chance for a first round bye. So we're likely playing g the same amount of games either way. And I'd rather get the rest later and get a test against a top flight team before the bye to see where we stand and what we need to work on. Plus, it gets us a win against our hated rival.

Yes, if we lose to cow we will not get a first round bye, but the odds of hosting a CFP game at Kyle Field would be > 90% IMHO as I don't think we would fall below 8.

I would almost rather NOT have a first round bye to be honest, too much time between games, though risk of injury in playing an extra game.

Would rather play Alabama

This whole scenario is why a 16 team conference is stupid.

Gateman said:

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This whole scenario is why a 16 team conference is stupid.

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Yep. Conferences should by made up of 12 teams, everyone plays everyone every year and one OOC game or two and get rid of the bye week.

one safe place said:

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Gateman said:

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This whole scenario is why a 16 team conference is stupid.

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Yep. Conferences should by made up of 12 teams, everyone plays everyone every year and one OOC game or two and get rid of the bye week.

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THIS

the SEC Championship was set up to highlight and glorify the best FB teams in the SEC- Alabama and Georgia.

In the event a usurper other than those 2, that team would faces either bama or Georgia. ( think Roman coliseum- Christians vs carnivores.

In the unlikely event Neither Bama or Georgia make the Championship, no game shall be played

alexandertheok said:

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So we either finish 4th in the conference or 1st? WTF

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This is only SEC standings, which should differ from CFP ranking (see Bama loss to FSU).

nm

tu is unable to eliminate either of their two SEC losses, at least I hope not.

JournoAG said:

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It's crazy that we went into the Longhorn game 8-3 last year with a win-and-you're-in situation for the championship game. Now, a year later, we'll be 11-0 and be in the exact same situation.

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Yep. SEC is much better this year.

What's crazy is you'll probably have a 10-2 SEC team left out of the playoff (Vandy) because OU beat bama

McNasty said:

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alexandertheok said:

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So we either finish 4th in the conference or 1st? WTF

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This is only SEC standings, which should differ from CFP ranking (see Bama loss to FSU).

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You have faith in the committee that most of us do not. If we lose, theyre dropping us at least 7 spots. What happens if we find out that they've dropped us to 4th, today, due to the a great last minute win that they used to justify keeping Indiana above us?

one safe place said:

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Gateman said:

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This whole scenario is why a 16 team conference is stupid.

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Yep. Conferences should by made up of 12 teams, everyone plays everyone every year and one OOC game or two and get rid of the bye week.

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You mean eliminate a bye week, teams have 2 bye weeks .
Get rid of a bye week and eliminate playing FCS schools.

Jarrin Jay said:

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I know I am in the minority on this as many don't want to play OU/cow/Mizzou every year, but I strongly believe that the SEC needs to go back to divisions, put Mizzou in the West and Bama and Auburn in the East and do a 7-2 schedule. Yes that is 3 old big 12 teams but we also play Pig, lsu, both Miss. teams and 2 from the east (Bama, FL, UT, Auburn, etc). So that is a good SEC schedule.

You will still play all teams in a 4 year period, though admittedly not both home and away.

Win the division and go to ATL for SEC CG, and division rankings are based on overall SEC record as before. There are just too many teams that don't play each other, we need more H2H games which will also create W/L separation. It's not really a conference with that many teams not playing each other IMHO.

It is not going to be atypical to have 4 or even 5 teams finish with the same record and 1 or 2 of them didn't play any of the other 3 or 4 or only played 1.

It's ridiculous and you are then having the SEC title game teams decided by a random result of 2 teams at the bottom of the table.

We will beat cow but for this example assume we lose. All others win out. So Bama and UGA go to the title game, even though it would be a rematch so it's like the first game H2H result means absolutely nothing and neither Ole Miss or aTm go to ATL in favor of UGA who already lost to Bama.

Ridiculous system. I know divisions don't completely eliminate no the possibility of a rematch, but more H2H games more clearly defines the top teams.

For 2025 we would have played Ole Miss and OU. I still do not even want cow and OU in the SEC and hate the thought of playing those 2 plus Mizzou every year, but the current system is f****d IMHO.

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You could still have 2 teams that play each other in that format in the regular season wind up in the title game. How much complaining would we be doing if we got UGA and Bama as cross division in a year when tu gets Kentucky and Vandy. Playing only 2 of 8 cross division would be crap.

Starting next year we play every team at least once every 2 years which is probably the best of any alternatives. Just adding a 9th conf game in general makes it just that much harder for a team to skate through with an easy SEC schedule.