The best Aggie teams in my experience are the '92 and 2012 teams. This team has a chance to top them both.

In the 90s there was no such thing as BAS. It was quite the opposite actually. Every week I assumed and believed we would beat whoever we were playing and it would also be a blowout. That was usually the case too

Exactly. BAS wasn't a thing until the mid to late 90s

That damn Colorado game started it all……….

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Keyno said:

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This team is light years better than the early 90s teams

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I don't know about light years. The struggle with some of those teams was the offense wasn't very explosive, heavily reliant on running the ball. But those defenses were REALLY good. And if want to say it was because the SWC was weak, OK, but Bobby Bowden post game of 92 Cotton Bowl - a game we should have won, go back and watch two missed opportunities at TD's in the 1st Q that would have changed the game - said that the Ags were the best defense they played all year. Those Florida St teams were loaded.

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I get it. Our current defense is REALLY GOOD. Our current offense is also really good. We are winning games in the premier conference

Keyno said:

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This team is light years better than the early 90s teams

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not sure I agree, it is an entirely different sport these days

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Keyno said:

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This team is light years better than the early 90s teams

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not sure I agree, it is an entirely different sport these days

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'91 team had 2 first round picks off the defense - Coryatt and Kevin Smith

'92 team had Patrick bates as a first rounder, Marcus Buckley and Derrick Frazier in the third.

'93 team had Sam Adams and Aaron Glenn in the first round, Eric England in the third.

'95 team had Reggie Brown go in the first round, Ray Mickens in the third.

That's 6 first round draft picks out of the defense in a 5-year span.


The university has had FIVE TOTAL #1 draft picks off the defense from 97-now.

CharleyKerfeld said:

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Bag said:

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Keyno said:

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This team is light years better than the early 90s teams

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not sure I agree, it is an entirely different sport these days

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'91 team had 2 first round picks off the defense - Coryatt and Kevin Smith

'92 team had Patrick bates as a first rounder, Marcus Buckley and Derrick Frazier in the third.

'93 team had Sam Adams and Aaron Glenn in the first round, Eric England in the third.

'95 team had Reggie Brown go in the first round, Ray Mickens in the third.

That's 6 first round draft picks out of the defense in a 5-year span.


The university has had FIVE TOTAL #1 draft picks off the defense from 97-now.

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That is a wonderful trailing indicator. We all know the early 90s defenses were great and that we haven't really had a defenses that was that good since then. But we won't know how many 1st rounders we have in this stretch for a few more years. I have a feeling we are on the verge of a similar stretch of talent on D.

Similarly, 2012 Oline was loaded with NFL talent. The current Oline is pretty stout, but we won't know the full extent of NFL talent until the players get drafted.

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Keyno said:

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This team is light years better than the early 90s teams

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Check the 2-deep on the 1991 defense. We may be there now, but regardless, check it.

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the defenses of the early 90's were loaded with NFL talent. multiple first round picks.


tbis team overall is better because the teams of the early 90's couldn't score against good teams. but those defenses were dominating regardless of era and the proof is in the nfl draft picks. we routinely had 1,2 even 3 first round defensive players taken in the same draft.

The towels came from the Jackie Sherrill era. One distinct game against TCU where Jackie grabbed a full-size trainers towel at the end of the game and waved it after being hoisted onto players' shoulders. Pretty popular photo of it is reused often. He subsequently did the same thing at other games, but it was the front page photo that got it started. If memory serves, one of the student groups sold them ahead of the games in 1985 or so as a fundraiser. Someone chime in if I'm a little off on that.

Now wait just a dad-gummed minute here. Sips are telling us that we haven't played anyone. Are you telling me they're dead-ass wrong?

That matches my memory of those events.

Same here. I remember the video of Jackie picking that towell up and waiving it as they lifted him up.

The game has changed so much from 94' to today that this discussions, while entertaining, just isn't applicable.

Obviously as time has progressed, even from the 90's until now, the physical make up of college teams has changed some, not outlandishly but enough to make a difference. The rules of the game have also changed and that is one of the reasons that these discussions are just for entertainment.

I wrote a long post about the differences and such, and it was TLDR even for me, hence the summary is that the rules of the game, of how it was played for around 90-100 years, started to change pretty substantially in the late 90's at the fundamental level. These changes eliminated many traditional schemes and techniques. The value of scoring and "player protection" was emphasized. Hence fans will never see dominant defenses again that are basically "shut down" ones.

That 94', and even the 95', defense were really stout. Through about 98' the Ag's had a lotta talent on defense, something we haven't seen as consistently since those years.

This years defense is damn good, they will trade, and dominate in most cases, licks with any team I do believe. That says a lot about their character and the coaching. Enjoy it.

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And of course, it wouldn't be the Zoo without one gripe... Youngs... can we please stop the "YOU!" thingy during the War Hymn now. Thanks in advance. ;-)

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For the love of god, this. It's so gay

This post is as good as some of the vintage zoo posts.......

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94chem said:

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Keyno said:

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This team is light years better than the early 90s teams

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Check the 2-deep on the 1991 defense. We may be there now, but regardless, check it.

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the defenses of the early 90's were loaded with NFL talent. multiple first round picks.


tbis team overall is better because the teams of the early 90's couldn't score against good teams. but those defenses were dominating regardless of era and the proof is in the nfl draft picks. we routinely had 1,2 even 3 first round defensive players taken in the same draft.

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Username checks out.

I agree with you on everything I remember the Aggies from 1985 and to present those late 80's through mid 90's defenses were without a shadow of doubt wrecking crew and the present defense is getting there but gotta do it for 4 quarters to be considered wrecking crew material

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This team is light years better than the early 90s teams

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Until we win 34 consecutive home games, not so fast my friend.

This year feels like a throwback to the '90sbut even better. Back then, we'd head into games confident that our defense would keep us in it, or even win it outright, no matter how rough our offense looked.

This thread I started has been enlightening for me, TBH. I truly meant it as a celebration of the current team AND the past, and to let the youngs feel confident that THIS is what Aggie Football should feel like and DID feel like back in the early 90s. What's old is what's new again!

That said...

"Stop focusing on the past"ers: You're misconstruing Elko's comments about not "living in the past." Listen to his comments and understand them in context. He is saying "stop focusing on our recent history of collapsing in the second half of the season and becoming known as Texas 8&4." While I don't know and of course haven't asked Elko, any fan base, school, and coaching staff of course should invoke past successes of the program (as the late 80s and early 90s were, though we fell short of bringing home the ultimate hardware).

This team vs Early 90s teams: Honestly, I didn't mean to start the debate. I truly meant the OP to be a celebration of BOTH. But the debate has been enlightening. I honestly wasn't thinking about how the game has changed since then, with targeting rules, etc. Those IMO have been good changes, there's no reason someone should sacrifice their health. Of course, there's a weird reverence and allure to the carnage of the 1990 Holiday Bowl. But today's athletes have to be smarter and more athletic in many ways, which is cool on its own. I think on the whole the teams of the early 1990s still have the better resume (in totality, and mentally adjusting for rules changes), but this year's team is certainly on track to become one of the greatest and exceed those teams. Of course, not forgetting the 2012 team. IMO, this year's team is already in my mind proving they are better than that team.

If the 2025 team had to play by the rules in place in the mid-90s, they might not make it to halftime.

Just ask Marcus Buckley if you don't believe me.

Let's just enjoy this ride and hope it's not a flash in the pan. BAS says it is, but who cares? Elko seems like the real deal, and a number of these players are incredibly gifted with the ball and seem like good guys to boot.