Aston04 said:
Nothing is more tired than the random 80s 90s era Aggie fan arguing if they are going to withhold or not calling A&M's defense as the "wrecking crew."
Seriously, stfu with that.
Right? Why are we gatekeeping Wrecking Crew?
Ag of the Early 90s here
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Right? Why are we gatekeeping Wrecking Crew?
Early 90s Ag here. New Army has no idea.
The Gulf Coast Offense + Wrecking Crew won a lot.
The Gulf Coast Offense + Wrecking Crew won a lot.
trouble said:Aston04 said:
Nothing is more tired than the random 80s 90s era Aggie fan arguing if they are going to withhold or not calling A&M's defense as the "wrecking crew."
Seriously, stfu with that.
Right? Why are we gatekeeping Wrecking Crew?
From Coach Elko's postgame comments:
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"I keep saying this: It's not about the past," Elko said. "We got to stop, like, worrying about the past, thinking about the past, talking about the past. I'm excited for what this team is doing right now.
"This team is doing some really special things."
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Let's all take it to heart!
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"I keep saying this: It's not about the past," Elko said. "We got to stop, like, worrying about the past, thinking about the past, talking about the past. I'm excited for what this team is doing right now.
"This team is doing some really special things."
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Let's all take it to heart!
trouble said:
I'm nearly your age. This IS the wrecking crew. Football is different than it was 30 years ago. They aren't going to look like they did then.
Go argue with your granny.
Agreed.
Defenses aren't allowed to obliterate the offense like they did back in the day. That being said, I saw a defense play hard, tackle hard, and try and make statements EVERY freaking down.
The team is real. The D is real. Our Q is real. The O is real. Concepcion is not only real, he's the difference maker who changed the feel and tempo of the game with his return for a TD.
I don't see any reason we don't win out.
This is not your father's BAS team. It's long overdue, but here we are.
Mega Lops said:
lol tldr
Uhhhhhh the Aggies of 2025 are here. I get that old people like to connect their younger years to the present as a way to navigate old age. No need for a diatribe.
That's what you took that post to mean? I feel embarrassed for you.
Yeah, what an odd choice of post to be a complete ****** about.
In spades. It's real. And its clearly Trouble….trouble said:
The number of times I've screamed MEET ME AT THE QUARTERBACK this season has been insane. Blitz Brothers vibes all over the place.
GLORIOUS trouble
trouble said:
Correct, by 6 different players.
Plus the 3rd down stats. We were used to counting on the WC to get us off the field.
It felt like every time they panned back to Nues he was either laying on the ground or getting picked up. There was a moment in the 4th where I thought, Kelly better pull him before he gets seriously hurt. Which ended up happening.
And…. That is Wrecking Crew Defense!
Texasclipper said:
A lot if not most "old" Ags think the "you" thing is stupid, but it ain't going anywhere. I was at Andys in CS in late August and some obvious freshmen were practicing the War Hymn and making sure to put the "you" in the right place.
But, we should be glad that they cared enough to do that in the first place.
Time marches on and things change. My 92 your old Class of 55 dad thinks the 12th man towels are stupid. "Why are we waiving white flags of surrender?" Obviously they didn't do that in 55.
I always wonder how these things start? Did some one person just start doing it and it became a thing?
Plenty of throwing cotton when we clinched the SWC championship and a spot in the cotton bowl. Towels were already a thing by the time I started going to those wins, so I don't know which came first.
You nailed it. One of the defining features of the Wrecking Crew is they beat the crap out of you the whole game until the point it was obvious to all that you wanted nothing more than get the game over with so the pain would stop.
I saw that countless times with Nuess last night, saw it with Arnold, even saw it with Lagway in the 2nd half of Florida. Hope to see it in a couple of weeks against Mizzou's fresh meat.
THAT was the essence of the Wrecking Crew.
I saw that countless times with Nuess last night, saw it with Arnold, even saw it with Lagway in the 2nd half of Florida. Hope to see it in a couple of weeks against Mizzou's fresh meat.
THAT was the essence of the Wrecking Crew.
Another Early 90s Ag here. A few thoughts:
1. It's meaningless to say which team was better. They were different eras, the game was different, the opposition was different, etc. But suffice it to say that they are now on comparable levels.
2. Since the Slocum years, we've only had 4 good seasons. The Johnny Seasons, 2012 and 13, then 2016 (or whatever year that we had Trevor Knight, who was kicking butt until he got injured), then 2020 in Jimbo's one good year when we ended the season well.
3. In the early 90s, we were good, but maybe not great, which our schedule kind of concealed. This is primarily because the talent of our conference took a nose dive. We were a good team. We were routinely beating our conference rivals by 35-10 or thereabouts, not really being challenged. In non-conference, we stomped our opponents (I remember hanging 70ish on Mizzou and Louisville). But this is also the nature of non-conference games back in the day. Because there was no championship, NOBODY played a tough non-conference game (apart from Texas-OU). If you lost 1 game, your season was basically over, so even the best teams of those years (Florida State, Michigan, Penn State, etc.) had only creampuff opponents. So every top 15 team spent 3 weeks running the score up on Central Arkansas School of Basketweaving as basically scrimmages for their conference season.
For the Big 10, SEC and ACC teams, this was fine because they could get quality wins in conference. But as the quality in the Southwest Conference tanked, we'd be 6-0 and still be ranked the way BYU is today, since no one respected our strength of schedule.
We WERE a good team, but we weren't a challenged team and the result was most of those years that we cruised through the regular season and struggled in the bowl game. Still, we had great teams in 92 and 94, in both cases running the table, but losing close ones in the Cotton Bowl.
4. So is today's team better? As I noted in Point 1, it's hard to say unilaterally. I think our run game was better in the 90s than today. What? You say? Yes. I mean, today, we talk about one of the best duos in receiving with KC and Craver, but back then, it was the same with our RBs. We had Greg Hill/Thomas, plus these things called Fullbacks (that millenials will have to google) like Doug Carter and Cliff Groce. Then after Hill left the team (and caused us a ban from the postseason by taking a job from a car dealership), we had Rodney Thomas and Leeland McElroy. Leeland, when healthy, was, outside of Johnny Football, the most dynamic, dangerous player we have had in my lifetime (including KC or Christian Kirk). So we were a really, really good running team that could occasionally pass well. That doesn't sound like balance, of course, but in those days, NOBODY was balanced. Go through the ranks of all the top programs of the 90s, and there were clearly run teams and passing teams. No one did both well together.
So that's what A&M has now, and it's a good thing, because the balance is an evolution of the game. RC Slocum was great in that earlier era, when you could just be a great running team and get away with it. That wasn't sustainable after 2000 and he didn't know how to adjust. Of course, it's something all of our coaches have struggled with since then.
What RC also did that was great, was take a defensive mindset to the offense. This is why the run game worked most of the time - you just grind out a win. But you still have to have the explosive pass play in your deck of cards. Elko has matched RC's understanding of using offense to keep our defense rested, but he's also got the pass game humming.
So long story short, I think A&M had all the elements in the 90s to win it all, but those elements are different today, and the team we have is built much better for today. I think if we keep it up, we won't lose another game in the regular season. I think it will be A&M vs. Alabama in the SEC championship game. I think we can win it, but I also think Alabama, when they are on fire, is lights out. So we could lose there too. Either way, we make the playoff and can compete with anyone there if we keep the turnovers and penalties in control.
1. It's meaningless to say which team was better. They were different eras, the game was different, the opposition was different, etc. But suffice it to say that they are now on comparable levels.
2. Since the Slocum years, we've only had 4 good seasons. The Johnny Seasons, 2012 and 13, then 2016 (or whatever year that we had Trevor Knight, who was kicking butt until he got injured), then 2020 in Jimbo's one good year when we ended the season well.
3. In the early 90s, we were good, but maybe not great, which our schedule kind of concealed. This is primarily because the talent of our conference took a nose dive. We were a good team. We were routinely beating our conference rivals by 35-10 or thereabouts, not really being challenged. In non-conference, we stomped our opponents (I remember hanging 70ish on Mizzou and Louisville). But this is also the nature of non-conference games back in the day. Because there was no championship, NOBODY played a tough non-conference game (apart from Texas-OU). If you lost 1 game, your season was basically over, so even the best teams of those years (Florida State, Michigan, Penn State, etc.) had only creampuff opponents. So every top 15 team spent 3 weeks running the score up on Central Arkansas School of Basketweaving as basically scrimmages for their conference season.
For the Big 10, SEC and ACC teams, this was fine because they could get quality wins in conference. But as the quality in the Southwest Conference tanked, we'd be 6-0 and still be ranked the way BYU is today, since no one respected our strength of schedule.
We WERE a good team, but we weren't a challenged team and the result was most of those years that we cruised through the regular season and struggled in the bowl game. Still, we had great teams in 92 and 94, in both cases running the table, but losing close ones in the Cotton Bowl.
4. So is today's team better? As I noted in Point 1, it's hard to say unilaterally. I think our run game was better in the 90s than today. What? You say? Yes. I mean, today, we talk about one of the best duos in receiving with KC and Craver, but back then, it was the same with our RBs. We had Greg Hill/Thomas, plus these things called Fullbacks (that millenials will have to google) like Doug Carter and Cliff Groce. Then after Hill left the team (and caused us a ban from the postseason by taking a job from a car dealership), we had Rodney Thomas and Leeland McElroy. Leeland, when healthy, was, outside of Johnny Football, the most dynamic, dangerous player we have had in my lifetime (including KC or Christian Kirk). So we were a really, really good running team that could occasionally pass well. That doesn't sound like balance, of course, but in those days, NOBODY was balanced. Go through the ranks of all the top programs of the 90s, and there were clearly run teams and passing teams. No one did both well together.
So that's what A&M has now, and it's a good thing, because the balance is an evolution of the game. RC Slocum was great in that earlier era, when you could just be a great running team and get away with it. That wasn't sustainable after 2000 and he didn't know how to adjust. Of course, it's something all of our coaches have struggled with since then.
What RC also did that was great, was take a defensive mindset to the offense. This is why the run game worked most of the time - you just grind out a win. But you still have to have the explosive pass play in your deck of cards. Elko has matched RC's understanding of using offense to keep our defense rested, but he's also got the pass game humming.
So long story short, I think A&M had all the elements in the 90s to win it all, but those elements are different today, and the team we have is built much better for today. I think if we keep it up, we won't lose another game in the regular season. I think it will be A&M vs. Alabama in the SEC championship game. I think we can win it, but I also think Alabama, when they are on fire, is lights out. So we could lose there too. Either way, we make the playoff and can compete with anyone there if we keep the turnovers and penalties in control.
Dang bro. Not reading that novel.
/new army
/new army
Yes this year's team is pretty good. The only thing I'll say is your "wrecking crew" of the 90's had its moments but doesn't match up well against the defenses of 74-76. Eventual Heisman winner Earl Campbell was averaging over 158 yards per game in 1975…. Until he entered Kyle field where he barely hit 40. That's just one example. You "olds" that are probably 15-20 years younger than me should just enjoy the progress this team is making each game. I certainly am.
Frankly this team has less defensive dominance than the early 90's teams but just enough. But they have much more offensive firepower, balance of run and pass with crazy elite WRs and more depth than ever before, ever.
Keyno said:
This team is light years better than the early 90s teams
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Dang bro. Not reading that novel.
/new army
The funny thing is New Army/GenZ is always whining that old folks don't take them seriously. And then they see more than 2 paragraphs of text and they have to cry to mommy or get ChatGPT to summarize it for you...
lol
I do remember being comfortable with the defense on the field. Offense always scared me, like they were going to screw it up. We did have the best cornerbacks at the time, which allowed everyone else to attack.
If we had the old Wrecking Crew in today's era all of our starting LBs would be ejected by halftime.
Like Elko said let's quit living in the past and enjoy this team!
C2 Ag 93 said:
Um wow...
Not sure why anyone would get sensitive over this.
By all objective measure, we haven't been this good since the 90s. We had a flash in the pan in 2012, and 2020 (IMO) doesn't count. Not sure how my OP could be construed as anything other than it was intended, to celebrate with all that I think we finally have arrived, and confirm for those that didn't see the 90s that it seems so.
On the "You" comment, some can't take a joke. (But yea, it does sound dumb IMO).
This season could be a flash in the pan too. And we haven't seen November yet. What we had in the 90s was multi-year success. But it was only in the Big 12 though.
No, I don't care what CNN or Miss NOW said this time
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StonewallAggieDEFENSE said:
Yes this year's team is pretty good. The only thing I'll say is your "wrecking crew" of the 90's had its moments but doesn't match up well against the defenses of 74-76. Eventual Heisman winner Earl Campbell was averaging over 158 yards per game in 1975…. Until he entered Kyle field where he barely hit 40. That's just one example. You "olds" that are probably 15-20 years younger than me should just enjoy the progress this team is making each game. I certainly am.
Ask Heisman winner Andre Weir about playing the 90s defense.... That is if they were able to reattach his head after getting it out of his helmet.
Edit to add. This team is special no doubt about it, but one season and it is not complete yet. After it is all said and done the season can be evaluated and nicknames and moniker and whatever else can start to be considered. But until the team strings together series of seasons like was seen in the late 80s and early 90s it is still wait and see. Millenials and Genz amd the next with their instant gratification is what will kill momentum and end legacies before they even get started, because instant gratification is a fickle beyotch indeed.
I was there in the 90's and it was great and I was at many of the great 90'a era classic games.
This is different, and it is better. This isn't the old SWC. It isn't even the Big12. This is getting it done in what is still top to bottom the best and deepest conference in football. This is beating SEC opponents on the road at night.
This team is really really good on both sides of the ball.
This is different, and it is better. This isn't the old SWC. It isn't even the Big12. This is getting it done in what is still top to bottom the best and deepest conference in football. This is beating SEC opponents on the road at night.
This team is really really good on both sides of the ball.
ShouldastayedataTm said:StonewallAggieDEFENSE said:
Yes this year's team is pretty good. The only thing I'll say is your "wrecking crew" of the 90's had its moments but doesn't match up well against the defenses of 74-76. Eventual Heisman winner Earl Campbell was averaging over 158 yards per game in 1975…. Until he entered Kyle field where he barely hit 40. That's just one example. You "olds" that are probably 15-20 years younger than me should just enjoy the progress this team is making each game. I certainly am.
Ask Heisman winner Andre Weir about playing the 90s defense.... That is if they were able to reattach his head after getting it out of his helmet.
Edit to add. This team is special no doubt about it, but one season and it is not complete yet. After it is all said and done the season can be evaluated and nicknames and moniker and whatever else can start to be considered. But until the team strings together series of seasons like was seen in the late 80s and early 90s it is still wait and see. Millenials and Genz amd the next with their instant gratification is what will kill momentum and end legacies before they even get started, because instant gratification is a fickle beyotch indeed.
I think the olds massively overrate the late 80s and early 90s teams. Yes, they were dominant on defense- against the Big 12 conference of Rice and Baylor. Not trying to take that away from them- I am sure it was a lot of fun to watch. But this current team would beat those teams by a few scores.
You keep repeating yourself like the only two teams the Aggies played was Rice and Baylor in 1980-2012. We played all the other teams of the SWC and Big 12. Many of those were strong contenders in college football at the time. It was all relative. Sounds like you don't have enough birthdays to remember it.
You can't compare today's team to those good teams back then. Different kind of football totally. If our team today played that style football today it would be just as different.
You can't compare the Kansas City Cheifs to the Dallas Cowboys back in the day either.
You can't compare today's team to those good teams back then. Different kind of football totally. If our team today played that style football today it would be just as different.
You can't compare the Kansas City Cheifs to the Dallas Cowboys back in the day either.
I think you make a very good point. Not only Andre Ware, but Tim Brown, Bo Jackson (1985 cotton), and a couple others as I recall. I still believe Earl Campbell, as much as we disliked his school choice and play on the field … still after these many years stands out "objectively " and based on his historic play over the years above all the others. Which makes any Aggie defensive team before or since have the utmost respect of the '74-76 defense. On a side note, I believe every starter on the 75 defense was drafted in the nfl.
Keyno said:
This team is light years better than the early 90s teams
Those early 90s Wrecking Crews ate run-and-shoot quarterbacks alive. I have no doubt they would do the same to quarterbacks like Marcel.
And I am 100% in Marcel's corner. But your post just feels like more of the dump crap on the teams of the past that we've seen posted here in the last few days (SWC sucked in the 80s statements that lessen what those teams did accomplish).
This.
Felt like the BYU holiday bowl massacre
Keyno said:
This team is light years better than the early 90s teams
I don't know about light years. The struggle with some of those teams was the offense wasn't very explosive, heavily reliant on running the ball. But those defenses were REALLY good. And if you want to say it was because the SWC was weak, OK, but Bobby Bowden post game of 92 Cotton Bowl - a game we should have won, go back and watch two missed opportunities at TD's in the 1st Q that would have changed the game - said that the Ags were the best defense they played all year. Those Florida St teams were loaded.
That Florida State team went to the Big House and dominated Michigan that year. A&M shut down that team but shot itself in their feet with a ridiculous number of turnovers and unforced errors. Lost 2-10.
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