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jamey said:

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FDT 1999 said:

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jamey said:

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Its the boosters making decisions.


What the rest of think, our culture or whatever else is irrelevant

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Exactly and that's the damn problem.

The boosters are making the decisions… and they make Jerry Jones look like Albert Einstein. These inbred Hee Haw hayseeds with oil money and zero self-awareness treat A&M like their own little vanity project. They don't want results they want access, control, credit, and cocktails in the club lounge.

The ROI on their brilliance? You'd get the same return by stacking donor cash into a bonfire, lighting it, and roasting marshmallows while the program burns behind you.

But hey they got to hire their guy, shake a few hands, and feel important. New hired clowns, but it's the same circus. Same flaming barn in the background.

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I got to be around some of these big money ags years ago. Needless to say I was shocked

They go out of their way to impress each other. Its a pissing contest

Watched and listened to this one rich clown call one of our coaches to chew him out about a recruit he wanted. This was in a room of abiut 40 or 50 people, everyone laughing along...haha...you tell that coach what he needs to know! Clownshow BMA really got to show off in front of his friends that day and he was so smug. Coaches work endlessly, 70-80 hr weeks and part of that is having to listen to these clowns? WTF


I couldn't believe it was all this ignorant at the top

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I don't believe you

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Oh well. Almost makes me think you're in the clownshow that is our BMA leadership so when you look around, it looks no different than the mirror


Think of it from afar with zero insight into decades past.


How come A&M does less with more than any other AD in the nation in revenue sports, no matter the coach, AD, President, Chancellor


Hmm, what else is there in common over decades? Theres only 1 thing that stretches over time

Who?mikejones! said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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Absolutely

Its what I've been trying to drive here for months. Until that changes, we will continue to see the same results each season.

We have too many people trying to be "good fans." This isn't supposed to be a show where people are trying to impress their family, friends, and fellow fans around them of how good of a fan they are by being overly optimistic or nice

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Actually it is.

This isnt a pro team. This is absolutely about rooting on your university and Alma mater with your fellow students, past and future generations and family. Its about the traditions schools hold desr. Its absolutely about that first, then winning.

Sorry that hurts you. Maybe go to root for any generic school if you wish.

I'll stay here.

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The current setup IS professional football. I'd rather see a team of all walk-on students from the student body who don't get paid anything--no scholarships, no NIL, nothing--play each Saturday. At least they'd have heart and a real connection. As it is, I derive no pleasure from watching this ridiculous NFL-lite that we call college football.

Little Rock Ag said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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Absolutely

Its what I've been trying to drive here for months. Until that changes, we will continue to see the same results each season.

We have too many people trying to be "good fans." This isn't supposed to be a show where people are trying to impress their family, friends, and fellow fans around them of how good of a fan they are by being overly optimistic or nice

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Actually it is.

This isnt a pro team. This is absolutely about rooting on your university and Alma mater with your fellow students, past and future generations and family. Its about the traditions schools hold desr. Its absolutely about that first, then winning.

Sorry that hurts you. Maybe go to root for any generic school if you wish.

I'll stay here.

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The current setup IS professional football. I'd rather see a team of all walk-on students from the student body who don't get paid anything--no scholarships, no NIL, nothing--play each Saturday. At least they'd have heart and a real connection. As it is, I derive no pleasure from watching this ridiculous NFL-lite that we call college football.

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I would too. Go the ivy league model. No athletic schollies. But, that for another thread.

It's just funny to watch all these blowhard posters bend themselves into knots over something they cannot control no matter how much they yell at the proverbial internet clouds.

The thing that makes college football is the tradition, the uniqueness each school brings and the specific rivalries they create, it's the shared experience between prior, current and future generations of students and former students, it's the unique game day cultures that have organically developed. I want to win, sure. But I really ultimately don't care if we do or don't. I go to games to connect with my friends and family, to visit my school, to participate in rivalries and so on.

Not a single person on this board has any single effect on the outcome of any game one of our teams plays. Its funny to watch posters scream that we don't win because the fans accept mediocrity. Lol. Maybe we do, maybe we don't, doesn't matter either way. The fans certainly don't matter in that respect.

And to be clear-

We've had the proven winner, we've had the upstart, we've had a super bowl winning coach, we've had a defensive coaching legend. We've had perhaps the greatest ever to do it.

We have had all types of coaches lead our program. Guess we need to circle back to getting a future great

Sounds good to have a bunch of walk-ons but it would be some boring football. Wrs running 4.7s, 290lb slow linemen, Qbs who floats balls. Boring.

Alignment is key and fundamental to achieving whatever goal a group, team or organization desires to achieve. It seems the folks in Austin are aligned toward competing for and winning championships and we are aligned to balancing the books and not winning a dang thing.

We are aligned to milking fans of every cent. Every time the association calls, I block and delete the number.

Screw supporting mediocrity.

One thing I've noted from our friends in Austin is they're a proud bunch. If a coach comes in and does not deliver the performance expected by a school whose pride insists on being at the top, they can him/her.

We seem to have only one objective and that is to be the "nice guy." We treat visiting fans better than any other fan base. We give out generous extensions, don't boo, keep coaches for far longer than they laymen sees as justified. In short, our "pride" is not conducive to athletic success, and that, because we're proud of things that matter not a whit.

I checked out a long time ago. Some of you should consider doing similarly.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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Absolutely

Its what I've been trying to drive here for months. Until that changes, we will continue to see the same results each season.

We have too many people trying to be "good fans." This isn't supposed to be a show where people are trying to impress their family, friends, and fellow fans around them of how good of a fan they are by being overly optimistic or nice

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Actually it is.

This isnt a pro team. This is absolutely about rooting on your university and Alma mater with your fellow students, past and future generations and family. Its about the traditions schools hold desr. Its absolutely about that first, then winning.

Sorry that hurts you. Maybe go to root for any generic school if you wish.

I'll stay here.

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You're out of touch. This is pro team. We pay the players to play. If we didn't, they wouldn't be here. We rebuilt Kyle Field for $.5B. The AD generated $266.4M last year. We paid a coach $75M to stop coaching our team. Our 2024 NIL budget was $20M+. This most certainly is NOT merely about camaraderie or traditions. You can get that somewhere else for a lot less. It's fine if you don't care about winning, but don't lecture with a holier-than-thou, false premise.

RightWingConspirator said:

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One thing I've noted from our friends in Austin is they're a proud bunch. If a coach comes in and does not deliver the performance expected by a school whose pride insists on being at the top, they can him/her.

We seem to have only one objective and that is to be the "nice guy." We treat visiting fans better than any other fan base. We give out generous extensions, don't boo, keep coaches for far longer than they laymen sees as justified. In short, our "pride" is not conducive to athletic success, and that, because we're proud of things that matter not a whit.

I checked out a long time ago. Some of you should consider doing similarly.

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Lol. They can them after 3 or 4 years of not getting results. Same as us and everyone else.

Remember strong? Remember Herman? Remember Pearce? Remember Shaka? What about the disaster of a decision it was to retain terry?

I don't disagree about the stupid contract extensions we seem willing to throw out at the first hint of success.

But to suggest Texas or any other university just fires coaches at will at the first sign of under performance is asinine. If that were the case, sark wouldn't be the coach today.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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Absolutely

Its what I've been trying to drive here for months. Until that changes, we will continue to see the same results each season.

We have too many people trying to be "good fans." This isn't supposed to be a show where people are trying to impress their family, friends, and fellow fans around them of how good of a fan they are by being overly optimistic or nice

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Actually it is.

This isnt a pro team. This is absolutely about rooting on your university and Alma mater with your fellow students, past and future generations and family. Its about the traditions schools hold desr. Its absolutely about that first, then winning.

Sorry that hurts you. Maybe go to root for any generic school if you wish.

I'll stay here.

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You're out of touch. This is pro team. We pay the players to play. If we didn't, they wouldn't be here. We rebuilt Kyle Field for $.5B. The AD generated $266.4M last year. We paid a coach $75M to stop coaching our team. Our 2024 NIL budget was $20M+. This most certainly is NOT merely about camaraderie or traditions. You can get that somewhere else for a lot less. It's fine if you don't care about winning, but don't lecture with a holier-than-thou, false premise.

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Lol. I dont disagree the team itself is more like a pro team now. Not exactly, but close. The players themselves aren't as connected to the University as in the past. That's true.

Doesn't change what purpose it serves. It's our school team, SCHOOL being the key word. There's a deeper connection than say, the Dallas Cowboys would ever get from a common fan.

The football team is a piece of the gameday pie. The biggest piece- perhaps. But it's not the entire pie and certainly not the entire school meal. And, perhaps because it has become more like a pro team, I care even less if we win or not. I just dont really care. I used to care a lot more. There's less to be invested in as team pull away from the schools.

Who?mikejones! said:

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texag101 said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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Absolutely

Its what I've been trying to drive here for months. Until that changes, we will continue to see the same results each season.

We have too many people trying to be "good fans." This isn't supposed to be a show where people are trying to impress their family, friends, and fellow fans around them of how good of a fan they are by being overly optimistic or nice

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Actually it is.

This isnt a pro team. This is absolutely about rooting on your university and Alma mater with your fellow students, past and future generations and family. Its about the traditions schools hold desr. Its absolutely about that first, then winning.

Sorry that hurts you. Maybe go to root for any generic school if you wish.

I'll stay here.

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You're out of touch. This is pro team. We pay the players to play. If we didn't, they wouldn't be here. We rebuilt Kyle Field for $.5B. The AD generated $266.4M last year. We paid a coach $75M to stop coaching our team. Our 2024 NIL budget was $20M+. This most certainly is NOT merely about camaraderie or traditions. You can get that somewhere else for a lot less. It's fine if you don't care about winning, but don't lecture with a holier-than-thou, false premise.

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Lol. I dont disagree the team itself is more like a pro team now. Not exactly, but close. The players themselves aren't as connected to the University as in the past. That's true.

Doesn't change what purpose it serves. It's our school team, SCHOOL being the key word. There's a deeper connection than say, the Dallas Cowboys would ever get from a common fan.

The football team is a piece of the gameday pie. The biggest piece- perhaps. But it's not the entire pie and certainly not the entire school meal. And, perhaps because it has become more like a pro team, I care even less if we win or not. I just dont really care. I used to care a lot more. There's less to be invested in as team pull away from the schools.

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I get it. You don't care if we win or lose. That's fine. But lay off the following false lecture:

"This isn't a pro team. This is absolutely about rooting on your university and Alma mater with your fellow students, past and future generations and family. Its about the traditions schools hold desr. Its absolutely about that first, then winning.

Sorry that hurts you. Maybe go to root for any generic school if you wish.

I'll stay here."

Calm down bro. Im not trying to lecture you. If you take it as one, maybe think about it.

The point is, the fans have been blamed for our school's lack of championships because we don't hold people accountable. That's a dumb argument. The fans don't make a hills beans of difference.

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Calm down bro. Im not trying to lecture you. If you take it as one, maybe think about it.

The point is, the fans have been blamed for our school's lack of championships because we don't hold people accountable. That's a dumb argument. The fans don't make a hills beans of difference.

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If they quit showing up en masse, they would.

Fair points all, but at the time most of those coaches were coaching, they were part of a conference that was on the decline. That has to be factored when hiring/firing a coach. Since they've joined the SEC their prospects are looking up and now no longer find themselves in a dire situation in a dying conference. Pierce was fired from the baseball team. Would we have fired him if he was our coach? Even though he was fired, his prospects for leading another baseball team are realistic. Every coach we've fired their careers were pretty much decimated after their stint at A&M.

I suppose. But, that would assume that more fans care about the winning part than care about the rest of it part. Which is what im trying to point out.

There's more to college sports than "winning" though i and everyone else wants to win.

I'd be just as happy and supportive of aggie football (or any other aggie sport) if it consisted of a roster of walk ons or non schollie athletes.

For example- I don't generally support or watch women's sports, professional or otherwise. But, I do watch and support our Aggie women's athletic teams. Because im invested in our school and those who represent it.

So when do you plan to take over?

If your premise is true, why is Sark still there? He certainly did not light it up until last year. By your standards he would have been fired after year one or year two.

And by the way, fans have been booing at football games for a while.

That's what I find hilarious about all this. Of these particular fans were to have there way and actually be able to hold coaches accountable, would we get a new coach every year? Every two years?

If a coach won this year and not next, would they be fired next year?

If were referring to thr types of contracts of admin gives out, then I'd agree. We, at least previously, agreed to contracts that put us in a pretty substantial corner.

But to acknowledge that we cannot hold a coach without giving significant concessions would be to acknowledge we are little better than any other stepping stone job, which few here agree with.

Who?mikejones! said:

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This isnt a pro team. This is absolutely about rooting on your university and Alma mater with your fellow students, past and future generations and family. Its about the traditions schools hold desr. Its absolutely about that first, then winning.

Sorry that hurts you. Maybe go to root for any generic school if you wish.

I'll stay here.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Calm down bro. Im not trying to lecture you. If you take it as one, maybe think about it.

The point is, the fans have been blamed for our school's lack of championships because we don't hold people accountable. That's a dumb argument. The fans don't make a hills beans of difference.

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LOL….which of your hills do you want to die on?

texag101 said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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This isnt a pro team. This is absolutely about rooting on your university and Alma mater with your fellow students, past and future generations and family. Its about the traditions schools hold desr. Its absolutely about that first, then winning.

Sorry that hurts you. Maybe go to root for any generic school if you wish.

I'll stay here.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Calm down bro. Im not trying to lecture you. If you take it as one, maybe think about it.

The point is, the fans have been blamed for our school's lack of championships because we don't hold people accountable. That's a dumb argument. The fans don't make a hills beans of difference.

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LOL….which of your hills do you want to die on?

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Keep on quoting me. Im okay with that.

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So when do you plan to take over?

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Right after I finish my PhD in Turd Polishing with a dissertation titled: "From Mediocrity to Million-Dollar Guaranteed Contracts: A Qualitative Study of Failures Dressed in Maroon." Apparently that's the only credential you need to run things around here.

But unlike our boosters, I actually understand ROI. If the product stinks, you don't keep buying more of it and calling it tradition. You cut bait, clean house, and stop lighting donor cash on fire for the sake of access and ego.

If you want to keep lighting your money on fire, be my guest. I don't plan on holding your hand while you do it though.

So your solution is for folks to stop donating? How does that help? We might as well just shut it all down and just focus on improvements no academics.

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So your solution is for folks to stop donating? How does that help? We might as well just shut it all down and just focus on improvements no academics.

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No, my solution is for people to stop donating blindly to a broken system that rewards failure and enables clown-level decision-making. Money isn't the problem…it's where and how it's being used.

Keep donating if it leads to competence, accountability, and actual standards. But if your dollars are just buying more million-dollar buyouts, recycled hires, and access for the same small circle of yes-men then yeah, maybe sit that one out.

Because until the donor class demands better, we'll keep getting the same maroon-wrapped mediocrity. Throwing more money at the problem without fixing leadership isn't support…it's enabling.

And if that hurts feelings? Maybe the program needs a reset more than another check.

So like I said, your solution is to stop donating. I'm not sure you or I have any business telling anyone how to spend someone else's money, but maybe that's just me. Most people with that kind of money have huge egos, don't care what anyone thinks about them or how they spend their money. While you and I aren't close to having that kind of money (or that is my assumption), those folks have more money than they know what to do with and their egos force them to keep dumping money into something until it works- and oh by the way, the big boys aren't going to stop donating.

I for one will keep getting football and baseball tickets. I do that stead of boats, very expensive cares, e5c.- which have even worse ROIs associated with them.

Exactly, and that's why nothing changes.

You just admitted it: the system is propped up by egos who aren't investing for results….they're spending out of pride and addiction. That's not support. That's delusion with a checkbook.

No one's saying "don't spend your money." I'm saying stop pretending it's noble or productive when the ROI is trash and the leadership is incompetent. Donate smarter. Demand accountability. Tie dollars to outcomes. That's how real organizations operate.

But hey if buying tickets and pouring money into dysfunction feels better than a boat, then yeah… enjoy the view from your seat in the clown tent.

What role do you think the management and reporters/staff of Texags plays in the culture?

- none
- some
- a lot

If you think some or a lot, is it a net positive or negative on the culture?

None

But isn't that what a lot of TA folks complain about- i.e. wanting input into how their donations are spent, part of the selection process, etc.?
Thanks letting me have my tickets!

You don't need my permission to keep donating. And I don't need yours to call out the failure your money keeps enabling.

I'm not trying to control how anyone spends their cash. I'm pointing out that when the same people keep lighting it on fire, we shouldn't be shocked when we're left with smoke and excuses. Maybe we're actually justified in calling out the BS.

You want tickets? Great. Enjoy them. But don't pretend what's happening is working or that calling it out somehow makes me the problem.

Enjoy the circus. You're certainly paying for it.

I'm not pretending anything and didn't say folks couldn't complain, my ego is not big enough to try to dictate what folks can or can't do or say. Enjoy your soapbox!
Enjoyed the discussion.

Enjoyed the back and forth as well.

zooguy96 said:

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We are aligned to milking fans of every cent. Every time the association calls, I block and delete the number.

Screw supporting mediocrity.

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A&M........
Accepting & Mediocre

fightinag said:

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zooguy96 said:

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We are aligned to milking fans of every cent. Every time the association calls, I block and delete the number.

Screw supporting mediocrity.

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A&M........
Accepting & Mediocre

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The fans?

Who?mikejones! said:

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fightinag said:

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zooguy96 said:

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We are aligned to milking fans of every cent. Every time the association calls, I block and delete the number.

Screw supporting mediocrity.

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A&M........
Accepting & Mediocre

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The fans?

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The decision makers.

Common denominator in our failure?

Coaches? Administrators?

Coaches and administrators have come and gone for years. Losing always predominates .

So what is the common denominator? I say it's culture.