Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

This pic sums it up. $$$...

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!

Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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What does a culture that doesn't tolerate look like

Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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Absolutely

Its what I've been trying to drive here for months. Until that changes, we will continue to see the same results each season.

We have too many people trying to be "good fans." This isn't supposed to be a show where people are trying to impress their family, friends, and fellow fans around them of how good of a fan they are by being overly optimistic or nice

njohn87 said:

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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What does a culture that doesn't tolerate look like

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Its at Yankee stadium every year. Bama knows too. Anything other than a championship is a failure and that's the way it should be.

As a loser and an underachiever personally and professionally, I don't feel it's my place to ask more of the teams I follow and their heralds than I ask of myself.

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As a loser and an underachiever personally and professionally, I don't feel it's my place to ask more of the teams I follow and their heralds than I ask of myself.

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Details please

Aggie Dad 26 said:

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njohn87 said:

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As a loser and an underachiever personally and professionally, I don't feel it's my place to ask more of the teams I follow and their heralds than I ask of myself.

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Details please

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Worked basically 15 years at the same company, reliably hand in 8-4 level performance, got myself demoted from a management position that I'd handled competently but unspectacularly for several years by giving myself a scathing annual self-evaluation a couple of years ago, just normal stuff. Unprovoked, I put in writing and submitted to my manager that "I haven't maintained a culture of accountability".

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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njohn87 said:

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As a loser and an underachiever personally and professionally, I don't feel it's my place to ask more of the teams I follow and their heralds than I ask of myself.

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Details please

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Worked basically 15 years at the same company, reliably hand in 8-4 level performance, got myself demoted from a management position that I'd handled competently but unspectacularly for several years by giving myself a scathing annual self-evaluation a couple of years ago, just normal stuff. Unprovoked, I put in writing and submitted to my manager that "I haven't maintained a culture of accountability".

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Speechless

Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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It has always been that way. Why would it suddenly change now?

the most cool guy said:

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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It has always been that way. Why would it suddenly change now?

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This. We haven't won anything since Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Historically we win about 7.5 games per 12 games played. We get out-recruited by 6 other SEC teams annually (outside a couple outliers).
We are not a blue blood program. We've never been a blue blood program.

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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What does a culture that doesn't tolerate look like

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A fanbase that doesn't tolerate losing would not be picking up all of the season tickets and there would be tons of empty seats in the stadiums.

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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njohn87 said:

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As a loser and an underachiever personally and professionally, I don't feel it's my place to ask more of the teams I follow and their heralds than I ask of myself.

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Details please

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Worked basically 15 years at the same company, reliably hand in 8-4 level performance, got myself demoted from a management position that I'd handled competently but unspectacularly for several years by giving myself a scathing annual self-evaluation a couple of years ago, just normal stuff. Unprovoked, I put in writing and submitted to my manager that "I haven't maintained a culture of accountability".

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if Aggie football was a human

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the most cool guy said:

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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It has always been that way. Why would it suddenly change now?

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This. We haven't won anything since Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

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Correction:

We haven't won anything since *BEFORE* the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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Absolutely

Its what I've been trying to drive here for months. Until that changes, we will continue to see the same results each season.

We have too many people trying to be "good fans." This isn't supposed to be a show where people are trying to impress their family, friends, and fellow fans around them of how good of a fan they are by being overly optimistic or nice

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Actually it is.

This isnt a pro team. This is absolutely about rooting on your university and Alma mater with your fellow students, past and future generations and family. Its about the traditions schools hold desr. Its absolutely about that first, then winning.

Sorry that hurts you. Maybe go to root for any generic school if you wish.

I'll stay here.

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njohn87 said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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njohn87 said:

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As a loser and an underachiever personally and professionally, I don't feel it's my place to ask more of the teams I follow and their heralds than I ask of myself.

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Details please

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Worked basically 15 years at the same company, reliably hand in 8-4 level performance, got myself demoted from a management position that I'd handled competently but unspectacularly for several years by giving myself a scathing annual self-evaluation a couple of years ago, just normal stuff. Unprovoked, I put in writing and submitted to my manager that "I haven't maintained a culture of accountability".

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if Aggie football was a human

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Too bad we are a non profit corporation, sunshine pumping your dollars into oblivion.

What year did you graduate from TAMU? Think we have a dual acquaintance perhaps.

The A&M athletic culture is exactly what big money donors want. A club like atmosphere where they control what they want to control.

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What year did you graduate from TAMU? Think we have a dual acquaintance perhaps.

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I'm not sure if you're being sincere or trolling. But I've said it before numerous times.

I've been a fan since the early to mid 80s. I've flown, driven across state lines numerous times for games. Set my alarm while living over seas to listen to games. I've been to an aggie graduation, I've held a graduation party for a close friend/Aggie

Then there's my daughter who is graduating from A&M next year.

The guy flipping his nose up (earlier in this thread) is nothing more than a maroon colored "sip"

Gotta love the arrogance

We pay to win and are content to settle with a chance to be top 10 every once in a while.

I have noticed the zoo seems to want more but is also fed up with it and the excitement is waning significantly

While I think we're terrible overall and doomed to irrelevance, I don't think that firing coaches after one year is a good strategy to build long term success

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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njohn87 said:

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As a loser and an underachiever personally and professionally, I don't feel it's my place to ask more of the teams I follow and their heralds than I ask of myself.

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Details please

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Worked basically 15 years at the same company, reliably hand in 8-4 level performance, got myself demoted from a management position that I'd handled competently but unspectacularly for several years by giving myself a scathing annual self-evaluation a couple of years ago, just normal stuff. Unprovoked, I put in writing and submitted to my manager that "I haven't maintained a culture of accountability".

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This is Texags genius. Not Pond Manager level or Bill Snyderesque, but very good.

Its the boosters making decisions.


What the rest of think, our culture or whatever else is irrelevant

When our AD has zero ties to Texas A&M and has no interest in winning programs this is what you get !
Hire an Aggie to oversee the athletics !

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When our AD has zero ties to Texas A&M and has no interest in winning programs this is what you get !
Hire an Aggie to oversee the athletics !

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Not only no, but HELL NO.

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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njohn87 said:

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As a loser and an underachiever personally and professionally, I don't feel it's my place to ask more of the teams I follow and their heralds than I ask of myself.

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Details please

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Worked basically 15 years at the same company, reliably hand in 8-4 level performance, got myself demoted from a management position that I'd handled competently but unspectacularly for several years by giving myself a scathing annual self-evaluation a couple of years ago, just normal stuff. Unprovoked, I put in writing and submitted to my manager that "I haven't maintained a culture of accountability".

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Did you feel like you had by doing that? Or were you just virtue signaling?

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The A&M athletic culture is exactly what big money donors want. A club like atmosphere where they control what they want to control.

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That's what fans here want. I guess the big money donors are just better at life…

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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Absolutely

Its what I've been trying to drive here for months. Until that changes, we will continue to see the same results each season.

We have too many people trying to be "good fans." This isn't supposed to be a show where people are trying to impress their family, friends, and fellow fans around them of how good of a fan they are by being overly optimistic or nice

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Actually it is.

This isnt a pro team. This is absolutely about rooting on your university and Alma mater with your fellow students, past and future generations and family. Its about the traditions schools hold desr. Its absolutely about that first, then winning.

Sorry that hurts you. Maybe go to root for any generic school if you wish.

I'll stay here.

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I mean, even if that's more or less true historically it's certainly not true any longer.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Tolerate failure, even of historic proportion, and no accountability. Sad. This retention of a terrible coaching hire is the biggest of all red flags for all of our sports. We are a culture that tolerates losing.

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Absolutely

Its what I've been trying to drive here for months. Until that changes, we will continue to see the same results each season.

We have too many people trying to be "good fans." This isn't supposed to be a show where people are trying to impress their family, friends, and fellow fans around them of how good of a fan they are by being overly optimistic or nice

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Actually it is.

This isnt a pro team. This is absolutely about rooting on your university and Alma mater with your fellow students, past and future generations and family. Its about the traditions schools hold desr. Its absolutely about that first, then winning.

Sorry that hurts you. Maybe go to root for any generic school if you wish.

I'll stay here.

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Actually, it is a pro team now. The kids on our sports teams that matter don't give a **** about Texas A&M. They care about money.

And no, it's not about "traditions" over winning. The idea that we would sink hundreds of millions of dollars into facilities, coaches, players, and marketing for a competitive sport just to show off "traditions" without the primary goal of winning games is completely bat**** crazy and stupid.

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Its the boosters making decisions.


What the rest of think, our culture or whatever else is irrelevant

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Exactly and that's the damn problem.

The boosters are making the decisions… and they make Jerry Jones look like Albert Einstein. These inbred Hee Haw hayseeds with oil money and zero self-awareness treat A&M like their own little vanity project. They don't want results they want access, control, credit, and cocktails in the club lounge.

The ROI on their brilliance? You'd get the same return by stacking donor cash into a bonfire, lighting it, and roasting marshmallows while the program burns behind you.

But hey they got to hire their guy, shake a few hands, and feel important. New hired clowns, but it's the same circus. Same flaming barn in the background.

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jamey said:

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Its the boosters making decisions.


What the rest of think, our culture or whatever else is irrelevant

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Exactly and that's the damn problem.

The boosters are making the decisions… and they make Jerry Jones look like Albert Einstein. These inbred Hee Haw hayseeds with oil money and zero self-awareness treat A&M like their own little vanity project. They don't want results they want access, control, credit, and cocktails in the club lounge.

The ROI on their brilliance? You'd get the same return by stacking donor cash into a bonfire, lighting it, and roasting marshmallows while the program burns behind you.

But hey they got to hire their guy, shake a few hands, and feel important. New hired clowns, but it's the same circus. Same flaming barn in the background.

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I got to be around some of these big money ags years ago. Needless to say I was shocked

They go out of their way to impress each other. Its a pissing contest

Watched and listened to this one rich clown call one of our coaches to chew him out about a recruit he wanted. This was in a room of abiut 40 or 50 people, everyone laughing along...haha...you tell that coach what he needs to know! Clownshow BMA really got to show off in front of his friends that day and he was so smug. Coaches work endlessly, 70-80 hr weeks and part of that is having to listen to these clowns? WTF


I couldn't believe it was all this ignorant at the top

jamey said:

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FDT 1999 said:

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jamey said:

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Its the boosters making decisions.


What the rest of think, our culture or whatever else is irrelevant

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Exactly and that's the damn problem.

The boosters are making the decisions… and they make Jerry Jones look like Albert Einstein. These inbred Hee Haw hayseeds with oil money and zero self-awareness treat A&M like their own little vanity project. They don't want results they want access, control, credit, and cocktails in the club lounge.

The ROI on their brilliance? You'd get the same return by stacking donor cash into a bonfire, lighting it, and roasting marshmallows while the program burns behind you.

But hey they got to hire their guy, shake a few hands, and feel important. New hired clowns, but it's the same circus. Same flaming barn in the background.

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I got to be around some of these big money ags years ago. Needless to say I was shocked

They go out of their way to impress each other. Its a pissing contest

Watched and listened to this one rich clown call one of our coaches to chew him out about a recruit he wanted. This was in a room of abiut 40 or 50 people, everyone laughing along...haha...you tell that coach what he needs to know! Clownshow BMA really got to show off in front of his friends that day and he was so smug. Coaches work endlessly, 70-80 hr weeks and part of that is having to listen to these clowns? WTF


I couldn't believe it was all this ignorant at the top

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I don't believe you

We honestly tried everything. Swinging for the fences hiring coaches away from Bama and FSU we've tried younger up and coming coaches all with less success than hoped. The one thing you can't accuse us of is not firing coaches. We have done that a lot. You hire the best coach you can find and hope for the best. Personally I think we need to give Early and Elko a chance to see what they can do. Also may be time to include a large buyout clause for basketball coaches leaving for Maryland.

ATM Athletics = All Things Mediocre Athletics

That's the culture in a nutshell