Mega Lops said:

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ElephantRider said:

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Mike Slive is rolling over in his grave.

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Doubtful. I have no clue why anyone idealizes Mike Slive or the SEC. The entity is in the business of making filthy money. Slive would have sold his mother out for a few more bucks. It is best to not take these business decisions personally.

The people really in charge could not care less if a few thousand Aggie fans are put out by the inclusion of Oklahoma and Texas in conference expansion.

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Even more why the B1G should already be contacted. Exactly one program was kept out of the loop to get Texas and OU into the league. Exactly one got screwed over against the "no more states sharing the SEC with current schools in that state"...check out the secrant and you'll see how absolutely little the other schools care or appreciate A&M being in the SEC. Eff'em--head to the B1G, make more money, let the other inbred schools get their deserved comeuppance for letting sip join...Bama and LSU will find out what Arkansas, Mizzou, and A&M already know.

You guys give up way too easy, it's kind of embarrassing. "Oh no! the Big 10 won a bunch of games in playoffs and is playing for the Championship. The SEC is ruined and will NEVER be better than the Big 10 in ANY way. We should just go to the Big 10 before the SEC's imminent collapse!"

Grow a pear. Get a dog.

It's not that at all. They are just twisting things instead of stating they are just running from the sips.

ElephantRider said:

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Mike Slive is rolling over in his grave.

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No he's not. He would be in 100% agreement with where we are right now. We substantially increased our viewership by adding Horn and OU.

Chef Elko said:

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You guys give up way too easy, it's kind of embarrassing. "Oh no! the Big 10 won a bunch of games in playoffs and is playing for the Championship. The SEC is ruined and will NEVER be better than the Big 10 in ANY way. We should just go to the Big 10 before the SEC's imminent collapse!"

Grow a pear. Get a dog.

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If you'd read the comments you'd know this isn't true. The fact is, from a financial standpoint, the B1G is beating us with conference distributions. The gap widens over this decade. At some point the ACC falls apart. Where do the best schools go?

The answer is to the conference with more money UNLESS the prestige of the SEC is undeniable. And having more money helps purchase to facilities (and now players). So we go back to the top and ask who is making more money?

If the key ACC pieces go to the B1G, their media deal will dwarf ours. Where those schools go will make or break the SEC. So the question becomes: do you trust that sankey won't get his ass locked when that time comes? Personally I do not.

sodycracker said:

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Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.

Stankey's back room deals (I.e. bad tv deals, scheduling favoritism, putting tu & 0u in the conference, etc) are imploding on him.

If tu were a human, his name would be Stankey

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Stunkey

So then what's the price to you for playing Big 10 schools versus SEC schools? Most would probably put out a pretty high number.

Not sure I understand the question. Like the actual dollar amount of leaving the SEC? Or the "cost" of having to play against northern teams that I don't really care about?

Yeah, just the dollar amount. Dollar wise, how much more would TAMU need to make for you to want them in the Big 10 vs the SEC?

Chef Elko said:

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Yeah, just the dollar amount. Dollar wise, how much more would TAMU need to make for you to want them in the Big 10 vs the SEC?

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It's more about what the money difference may be than what it is currently. Which is why I think the smart play is keeping an ear to the ground to see which way the ACC schools are gonna go. If they're going B1G we should go too. They will be the dominant conference monetarily. The money difference will get larger and larger, and the SEC will crumble because of it. SEC schools will be reaching out, hat in hand to get in. Zero leverage. I would prefer we be a part of the first wave of willing participants than be a part of the group trying to get in after the fact and having to take what they can get like the PAC schools are doing now.

If the ACC schools are going SEC, we need to stay put. That leads to an equal merger positions between the two mega conferences. There is no significant enough monetary increase to make the B1G make sense.

When all the realignment is done, we're going to be stuck with Texas. They aren't getting left out in the end. So a potential move to the B1G isn't about escaping Texas. It's about getting whatever advantage we can get when the opportunity is available.

Yes, I agree with that. We cant get left out and have zero leverage when realignment starts up again. We were ahead of it the first time and can be ahead of it this time. My original statement was regarding those who have already seemed to give up and want to make that move right now assuming the Big 10 is better for TAMU currently and decades to come. It sure doesn't seem like the first domino falling is imminent though.

Chef Elko said:

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Yes, I agree with that. We cant get left out and have zero leverage when realignment starts up again. We were ahead of it the first time and can be ahead of it this time. My original statement was regarding those who have already seemed to give up and want to make that move right now assuming the Big 10 is better for TAMU currently and decades to come. It sure doesn't seem like the first domino falling is imminent though.

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I agree with this. Moving before we're certain what the ACC schools are going to do would be stupid. We'd be stuck flying everywhere like the east coast teams are. For the smaller sports especially, this is stupid.

I personally don't give a **** about the SEC since Texas was let in, so I understand why people want to leave. It wasn't until it was clear to me what Texas and OU in the B1G would have spelt for the future of the SEC that I understood why it had to happen. Once more people realize that we end up in the same conference as Texas one way or another, it's easier to take a rational look at next steps.

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Yeah, just the dollar amount. Dollar wise, how much more would TAMU need to make for you to want them in the Big 10 vs the SEC?

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Money hasn't really been our issue. Winning has. Even if we make a couple million more in the Big10, it won't translate to wins. And there are just as many teams that can beat us there, as there are in the SEC.

The ESPN tv agreement with the SEC is reportedly only through 2027, with ESPN having the option to extend it to 2036. The deadline to sign that extension is sometime this February( I heard this on a College Football Mafia podcast last year and they had several lawyers on). So next month we should get an idea on whether the ACC is ready to implode.

ACC schools are likely to go to multiple conferences. The schools doing the suing to leave are Clemson and FSU. However, they are not AAU schools which means a lot to the BIG given their research consortium.

Georgia Tech and Miami are in big markets and both AAU. UVA and UNC are also AAU.
You also who Notre Dame out there who says they want to stay independent, but could get squeezed
into the BIG with further consolidation.

Ferg said:

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The ESPN tv agreement with the SEC is reportedly only through 2027, with ESPN having the option to extend it to 2036. The deadline to sign that extension is sometime this February( I heard this on a College Football Mafia podcast last year and they had several lawyers on). So next month we should get an idea on whether the ACC is ready to implode.

ACC schools are likely to go to multiple conferences. The schools doing the suing to leave are Clemson and FSU. However, they are not AAU schools which means a lot to the BIG given their research consortium.

Georgia Tech and Miami are in big markets and both AAU. UVA and UNC are also AAU.
You also who Notre Dame out there who says they want to stay independent, but could get squeezed
into the BIG with further consolidation.

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The best ACC brands are UNC, UVa, FSU, Clemson, Duke, and Miami. Georgia Tech, Va Tech, NC State, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, and Stanford have some various levels of value, but not all or any will be Power schools when its all said and done. Wake Forest, SMU, and Cal bring absolutely nothing.

The Big 12 has the following brands that can bring value depending on who is looking: Kansas, Utah, Arizona, and Colorado. All are AAU and have been good to great in revenue sports. BYU, Kansas State, Iowa State, Arizona State, Oklahoma State, Tech, West Virginia, UCF, Cincy, UH, TCU, and Baylor have various levels of value, too, but I can't see many of them finding a seat in the B1G or SEC down the road.

Ferg said:

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The ESPN tv agreement with the SEC is reportedly only through 2027, with ESPN having the option to extend it to 2036. The deadline to sign that extension is sometime this February( I heard this on a College Football Mafia podcast last year and they had several lawyers on). So next month we should get an idea on whether the ACC is ready to implode.

ACC schools are likely to go to multiple conferences. The schools doing the suing to leave are Clemson and FSU. However, they are not AAU schools which means a lot to the BIG given their research consortium.

Georgia Tech and Miami are in big markets and both AAU. UVA and UNC are also AAU.
You also who Notre Dame out there who says they want to stay independent, but could get squeezed
into the BIG with further consolidation.

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Nebraska lost AAU status and wasn't kicked out, so there is precedent.

Consider the stakes: the power 1 conference. I don't see AAU status standing in the way of becoming the one premier athletic conference. It will become one conference. The question is whether the B1G will be the clear power player due to the ACC acquisitions they choose, or if the SEC and B1G enter negotiations as equals because the SEC got the important ACC pieces.

Maybe I'm wrong, but when stakes are that high, I don't see academics playing any role whatsoever. You're going to end up in the super conference with non-AAU schools anyway, unless they plan on excluding Bama, LSU, Georgia and Tennessee. I don't see that happening.