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Gyles Marrett
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10:02a, 1/7/25
It has a lot to do with what I'm seeing with Buzz and the basketball program...

Every single coach that ever existed preaches about culture, buy in, and trusting the process but not many can actually get it to happen. Jimbo preached about it a lot but all the other symptoms we were seeing smelled to high heaven of toxicity and terrible culture. Full of words making us all believe dog **** smelled like roses.

Now back to Buzz and basketball. He preached very similarly and I'll be the first to admit being a harsh critic 2-3 years ago. I thought he was great with words but couldn't coach and produce a quality product. Of course we don't know how this basketball season will end up, but I'm now seeing the culture and buy in across the board on that team and as a TEAM fully invested in the success of those around them. That's not a natural characteristic of your average egotistical 18-22 year olds which is why it's difficult to create. I think Buzz has done it. It was a process and getting the personality/talent combo's here to buy into what he was preaching. Extremely stressful no doubt to get there but he seems to really really enjoy coaching that group now.

We do not have that level of buy in and culture yet in the football program. It's more difficult as well as your talking about 100 guys and not 15ish. But at this point I'm seeing much more of the symptoms that the words Elko is preaching are being taken seriously within the program than the symptoms we saw around Jimbo's program.

I forget the recruit but it caught my attention yesterday a recruit shared anothers post on X of Elko visiting him and the words he wrote were "great man". You can obviously be a great man and lose or coach poorly too but I honestly believe Elko is building a team that wants to play and win for him and those around him. Some people just have that natural aura of a leader while others just tell you they are important and a leader.

It didn't take me long to have trouble believing the things Jimbo was saying but I trusted it because of his resume. When Elko speaks I am believing what he's saying. So when he says "I will never watch Texas A&M play defense like that again" I believe it.

Now flame away how we are terrible, the sky is falling, and we are destined for failure.
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10:11a, 1/7/25
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easier to get 15 guys to buy in vs 85.......but i hope you are right
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In reply to ought1ag • 10:15a, 1/7/25
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easier to get 15 guys to buy in vs 85.......but i hope you are right
Especially when about 25-30 of those 85 are new players each year.
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10:17a, 1/7/25
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Believe what you want to believe. I know several small children who believe that a fat man in a red suit slid down their chimney and left them toys a couple of weeks ago.

That makes about as much sense as what you are selling. Roster turnover and the transfer portal makes "culture" a moot point.

I believe we spent 77 million to buy out a 9 win coach, and replaced him with an 8 win coach.

So far I have been proven right.
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10:23a, 1/7/25
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Buzz equals Elko
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In reply to SunrayAg • 10:23a, 1/7/25
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Jimbo was trending closer to a 6 win coach than 9. He averaged 7.67 over 6 years, but 6.67 in his final 3 and recruiting was only going down. The portal was not his specialty, and there's zero reason to think he's be more than a 6/7 win coach moving forward.

8 wins was also year one. Maybe that's all Elko is, but it's far premature to claim that now. You don't replace a guy to improve wins in year 1. Year 1 is always a bonus. Yes, even in this new world. You replace a guy to build a sustainable program. The story is yet to be written on Elko.

You haven't been proven right on anything. It's been one year, and your numbers aren't even close to accurate anyways.
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In reply to Gyles Marrett • 10:26a, 1/7/25
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Gyles Marrett said:
It has a lot to do with what I'm seeing with Buzz and the basketball program...

Every single coach that ever existed preaches about culture, buy in, and trusting the process but not many can actually get it to happen. Jimbo preached about it a lot but all the other symptoms we were seeing smelled to high heaven of toxicity and terrible culture. Full of words making us all believe dog **** smelled like roses.

Now back to Buzz and basketball. He preached very similarly and I'll be the first to admit being a harsh critic 2-3 years ago. I thought he was great with words but couldn't coach and produce a quality product. Of course we don't know how this basketball season will end up, but I'm now seeing the culture and buy in across the board on that team and as a TEAM fully invested in the success of those around them. That's not a natural characteristic of your average egotistical 18-22 year olds which is why it's difficult to create. I think Buzz has done it. It was a process and getting the personality/talent combo's here to buy into what he was preaching. Extremely stressful no doubt to get there but he seems to really really enjoy coaching that group now.

We do not have that level of buy in and culture yet in the football program. It's more difficult as well as your talking about 100 guys and not 15ish. But at this point I'm seeing much more of the symptoms that the words Elko is preaching are being taken seriously within the program than the symptoms we saw around Jimbo's program.

I forget the recruit but it caught my attention yesterday a recruit shared anothers post on X of Elko visiting him and the words he wrote were "great man". You can obviously be a great man and lose or coach poorly too but I honestly believe Elko is building a team that wants to play and win for him and those around him. Some people just have that natural aura of a leader while others just tell you they are important and a leader.

It didn't take me long to have trouble believing the things Jimbo was saying but I trusted it because of his resume. When Elko speaks I am believing what he's saying. So when he says "I will never watch Texas A&M play defense like that again" I believe it.

Now flame away how we are terrible, the sky is falling, and we are destined for failure.

Right there with you

Elko is going g to win here
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In reply to SunrayAg • 10:26a, 1/7/25
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Believe what you want to believe. I know several small children who believe that a fat man in a red suit slid down their chimney and left them toys a couple of weeks ago.

That makes about as much sense as what you are selling. Roster turnover and the transfer portal makes "culture" a moot point.

I believe we spent 77 million to but out a 9 win coach, and replaced him with an 8 win coach.

So far I have been proven right.
The previous two seasons we were 7-6 and 5-7. Making statements like that qualify you for the level of misleading to be a politician.

There's a big difference between saying something you want others to believe but know is full of **** (what Jimbo and Santa do) and saying something because you actually believe it yourself. Jimbo was fully convinced his words and his resume would cause future wins. That's the most comparable to your Santa reference.

Here you are somehow in the offseason of a program you don't believe in responding on the football board lol.
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In reply to beerad12man • 10:32a, 1/7/25
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Jimbo was trending closer to a 6 win coach than 9. He averaged 7.67 over 6 years, but 6.67 in his final 3 and recruiting was only going down. The portal was not his specialty, and there's zero reason to think he's be more than a 6/7 win coach moving forward.

8 wins was also year one. Maybe that's all Elko is, but it's far premature to claim that now. You don't replace a guy to improve wins in year 1. Year 1 is always a bonus. Yes, even in this new world. You replace a guy to build a sustainable program. The story is yet to be written on Elko.

You haven't been proven right on anything. It's been one year, and your numbers aren't even close to accurate anyways.


My numbers are absolutely fact.

Jimbo won 9 games in 2 different seasons as our coach… when he didn't lose his starting QB. He was a 9 win coach.

Elko won 8 with a much easier schedule, and collapsed with his desired starting QB in place.

So when I say we paid 77 million to buy out a 9 win coach, and we replaced him with an 8 win coach, my numbers are spot on accurate.
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In reply to TexasAggie_97 • 10:33a, 1/7/25
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ought1ag said:
easier to get 15 guys to buy in vs 85.......but i hope you are right
Especially when about 25-30 of those 85 are new players each year.
Closer to 35-40 each year. 25 was normal turnover in 2000.

Right now:

Ole Miss 37
Bama 30
Georgia 31
A&M 37
Texas 29
Tennessee 37
Auburn 40
Missouri 32

Just off quick glance, these are the number of new players each are bringing in as of now. And none of these teams are likely done. Particularly texas in the playoffs
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10:34a, 1/7/25
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I hope Elko can fix football and we shall see how basketball turns out this year and going forward.

But I will say this, I'm not sure that you can compare basketball and football.

Basketball was severely damaged by the one-and-done ruling years ago. That made team continuity an issue for all the major programs. NIL and the transfer portal has actually brought more stability back to basketball because teams can focus more on really good but not one-and-done type guys to build solid teams with and keep them there and not have to continually start over with freshmen.

In addition to the culture of 15 vs 100 there is also the team synergy of 5 vs 11 that is easier to pick up in basketball vs football.

Pretty much all the football programs nowadays just seem so disjointed because of the massive roster turnover and the mercenary attitude that comes with it.
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In reply to SunrayAg • 10:35a, 1/7/25
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Cherry picking your numbers is laughable. Just a garbage, biased post. Just admit it.

Again, he's a 7.67 win coach, who trended to 6 wins his final 2 years (which is where the program Elko took over was much more so than a 9 win program). He lost his QB because they took more hits than any other team in the sec. He lost his QB because he gave up more pressures than any other team in the sec 3-4 of his 6 years here. You can't just say he lost his QB and use it to defend him, when it was his own offense causing a lot of those issues.

And no, nothing factual about the easier roster. Just your set of "facts" and beliefs, actually proven to be incorrect. Si had this schedule as 6th hardest in the country. ESPN had it at 9th. Since we've been in the sec (13 seasons), the was dead middle of the pack in difficulty. About 6-7th.

Just because you say something doesn't will it into existence when actual numbers say otherwise.
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In reply to Gyles Marrett • 10:36a, 1/7/25
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you could see it earlier in the year and I pointed it out.

During one of the games (can't recall which one) a player made a big mistake on the field. Instead of yelling at him on the sidelines, Elko has hand on his shoulder, was calming 'coaching' him, the player was nodding "yes" the whole time, Elko patted him on the shoulder and the player walked to the bench disappointed but not dejected. You could just see the players are buying into what he's trying to accomplish.

Jimbo would have just yelled like an idiot.
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In reply to agracer • 10:40a, 1/7/25
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you could see it earlier in the year and I pointed it out.

During one of the games (can't recall which one) a player made a big mistake on the field. Instead of yelling at him on the sidelines, Elko has hand on his shoulder, was calming 'coaching' him, the player was nodding "yes" the whole time, Elko patted him on the shoulder and the player walked to the bench disappointed but not dejected. You could just see the players are buying into what he's trying to accomplish.

Jimbo would have just yelled like an idiot.
So would Saban why may be why both of them have championships. Sometimes yelling or a kick in the butt is what kids need.
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10:45a, 1/7/25
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Yeah, comparing Elko to a basketball coach who's paid top 15 money and has only made the rd of 32 once in 5 years. That's the winning culture I want.
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10:49a, 1/7/25
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My concern is that we regressed like the Sumlin years late in the year. Also, that the defense played much worse later in the year then early. That is Elko's side of the ball and for the most part the DL was fairly healthy. Most can understand that the offense without a great RB or any WRs might have a few issues. Add in the fact that after a win over LSU he threw out the "we are a real program" BS. He then went on the lose the next few games to anyone with a pulse.
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10:59a, 1/7/25
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Here's what matters. Year over year Elko is +3 wins with an all new staff (and schemes) and a huge turnover in personnel. With critical injuries along the way. He was not handed the keys to a high performance machine a la DeBoers. Yes there was disappointment last season but at the beginning of the season there was not overly high expectation. Would you have liked to be judged on the first year of any of your jobs?

Mods, can we have a board for just posts by those with BAS?

SMH.
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In reply to SunrayAg • 11:01a, 1/7/25
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SunrayAg said:
beerad12man said:
Jimbo was trending closer to a 6 win coach than 9. He averaged 7.67 over 6 years, but 6.67 in his final 3 and recruiting was only going down. The portal was not his specialty, and there's zero reason to think he's be more than a 6/7 win coach moving forward.

8 wins was also year one. Maybe that's all Elko is, but it's far premature to claim that now. You don't replace a guy to improve wins in year 1. Year 1 is always a bonus. Yes, even in this new world. You replace a guy to build a sustainable program. The story is yet to be written on Elko.

You haven't been proven right on anything. It's been one year, and your numbers aren't even close to accurate anyways.


My numbers are absolutely fact.

Jimbo won 9 games in 2 different seasons as our coach… when he didn't lose his starting QB. He was a 9 win coach.

Elko won 8 with a much easier schedule, and collapsed with his desired starting QB in place.

So when I say we paid 77 million to buy out a 9 win coach, and we replaced him with an 8 win coach, my numbers are spot on accurate.


He wasn't a 9 win coach. If he was a 9 win coach, he would still be here. He lost to App State, at home. He beat an NC team in the orange bowl that was depleted with opt outs. He skipped a bowl game to keep from getting humiliated. He made an atrocious hire at OL coach. He was told to turn over play calling duties and he could not do it.

To your other excuse, Elko lost his starting QB this year and still won 8. You should consider taking Prevagen because your memory is declining rapidly.
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In reply to TexasAggie_97 • 11:02a, 1/7/25
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agracer said:
you could see it earlier in the year and I pointed it out.

During one of the games (can't recall which one) a player made a big mistake on the field. Instead of yelling at him on the sidelines, Elko has hand on his shoulder, was calming 'coaching' him, the player was nodding "yes" the whole time, Elko patted him on the shoulder and the player walked to the bench disappointed but not dejected. You could just see the players are buying into what he's trying to accomplish.

Jimbo would have just yelled like an idiot.
So would Saban why may be why both of them have championships. Sometimes yelling or a kick in the butt is what kids need.
Don't disagree, but that's all Jimbo ever did. Every time anyone made a mistake, but esp. the QB, it was yelling and hand waving.
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In reply to Ag in ATL • 11:03a, 1/7/25
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Most people are mostly likely to be judged at the end of their first year then the beginning of it. Again, losing is one thing but being totally inept on defense is another. We were atrocious on that side of the ball in the last four games against Power 4 opponents.
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11:12a, 1/7/25
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Changing culture can't be done in one year. We should be able to witness it changing from this season over the course of next season.

One thing that stands out to me as part of the culture problem is the outlandish celebrations whenever a decent play is made. It's one thing to celebrate, but to do so at the detriment of the team by using all of your energy and not preparing for the very next play is part of the problem.

I want to see this issue start to get fixed throughout next season. We need a killer mentality that keeps our foot on the gas until the very end.

Outside of that, the culture does seem to be trending in the right direction. And if it continues and Elko continues to bring in top talent, then the smu is the limit.
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11:18a, 1/7/25
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At the time we fired Jimbo, I really thought if we had $70MM to spend, why not spend it on improving the roster....I did think Elko was a good coach, but couldn't imagine that spending 70MM on new players wasn't the faster way to 10+ wins.

NOW...I am actually convinced that there is no amount of talent that can overcome a bad culture. And I do think from everything we have heard since his departure, that the culture in the locker room was not something that could be saved without a new coach.

Im not saying that Elko will for sure get us there...but I do have faith in him, based on early returns and the way he conducts himself. What I am saying is that A&M will have a top 5/10 roster no matter what. WINNING it all will take more than talent...and I think Elko is the right man.
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Stinky T said:
SunrayAg said:
beerad12man said:
Jimbo was trending closer to a 6 win coach than 9. He averaged 7.67 over 6 years, but 6.67 in his final 3 and recruiting was only going down. The portal was not his specialty, and there's zero reason to think he's be more than a 6/7 win coach moving forward.

8 wins was also year one. Maybe that's all Elko is, but it's far premature to claim that now. You don't replace a guy to improve wins in year 1. Year 1 is always a bonus. Yes, even in this new world. You replace a guy to build a sustainable program. The story is yet to be written on Elko.

You haven't been proven right on anything. It's been one year, and your numbers aren't even close to accurate anyways.


My numbers are absolutely fact.

Jimbo won 9 games in 2 different seasons as our coach… when he didn't lose his starting QB. He was a 9 win coach.

Elko won 8 with a much easier schedule, and collapsed with his desired starting QB in place.

So when I say we paid 77 million to buy out a 9 win coach, and we replaced him with an 8 win coach, my numbers are spot on accurate.


He wasn't a 9 win coach. If he was a 9 win coach, he would still be here. He lost to App State, at home. He beat an NC team in the orange bowl that was depleted with opt outs. He skipped a bowl game to keep from getting humiliated. He made an atrocious hire at OL coach. He was told to turn over play calling duties and he could not do it.

To your other excuse, Elko lost his starting QB this year and still won 8. You should consider taking Prevagen because your memory is declining rapidly.


14 seasons as HC. 131 wins. Average 9.35/season

3 seasons as HC. 25 wins. Average 8.33/season.

I know math is hard for some. Consider buying a calculator.

But several of you have hit on the exact thing that keeps us in the shadows. People keep mentioning Ap State as the reason Jimbo had to go.

We don't fire coaches to improve or upgrade the program. We fire coaches because somebody's hiney got hurt and they needed retribution.

When the imbeciles in charge announced that Jimbo was out, I was thinking surely they have an upgrade already lined up. They didn't.

As I've said many times before, I hope to be wrong about Elko. I hope he wins and wins big. But I've seen nothing yet to make me expect anything but 3 or 4 more years of mediocrity and a buyout. But I guess that's our "culture".
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12:20p, 1/7/25
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Saban's process approach is superior to a culture focus. And he sat people who didn't get the job done and successfully recruited depth and aligned his process with the NFL which led to many draft picks. That is what top-level athletes demand…you provide them the tools to reach the NFL.

I'm absolutely sure there is a culture of winning at Bama but it was due to a head coach who emphasized doing the right things exactly precisely the thhtvway on every play and he and staff visibly developed talent for the next level.

Without regurgitating our recent history, Elko has an opportunity here to do the same. But unless we give him all of the tools Saban got he both won't accomplish it likely due to poorer recruiting and also if successful has many opportunities elsewhere.

So the big question is: does Trev understand this and can he rally the TMF to stomp out provincialism of boosters and get everyone on board to make Elko truly successful.

First Mike needs to realize he is a celebrity and get a PR person to help him build his personality to the dude we need for the role. No major changes just realize the moment needs more. And perhaps a little "less", too…
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12:20p, 1/7/25
I am with Gyles Marrett on this train, but it may be one of those "pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will" scenarios that Antonio Gramsci described.
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greg.w.h said:
Saban's process approach is superior to a culture focus. And he sat people who didn't get the job done and successfully recruited depth and aligned his process with the NFL which led to many draft picks. That is what top-level athletes demand…you provide them the tools to reach the NFL.

I'm absolutely sure there is a culture of winning at Bama but it was due to a head coach who emphasized doing the right things exactly precisely the thhtvway on every play and he and staff visibly developed talent for the next level.

Without regurgitating our recent history, Elko has an opportunity here to do the same. But unless we give him all of the tools Saban got he both won't accomplish it likely due to poorer recruiting and also if successful has many opportunities elsewhere.

So the big question is: does Trev understand this and can he rally the TMF to stomp out provincialism of boosters and get everyone on board to make Elko truly successful.

First Mike needs to realize he is a celebrity and get a PR person to help him build his personality to the dude we need for the role. No major changes just realize the moment needs more. And perhaps a little "less", too…
Elko doesn't need a PR person as much as he just needs to utilize our nutrition center along with the players he's holding accountable to the nutrition plan as well. It would only help him with his culture of accountability approach.

Just imagine if he walked out next season physically fit and ready to rock. All Ags would be beside themselves.
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Now flame away how we are terrible, the sky is falling, and we are destined for failure.
I don't think we are terrible, the sky is falling, or we are destined to fail. We are, above average, and that's pretty good! Aggie athletics is a business, and we are currently ranked #2 in overall revenue of all collegiate athletic programs. We are the 3rd most valuable. Despite not having any meaningful success on the field, or court, this is still true. Be it Jimbo, Elko, or whomever, program is still worth 1.26b and we will still be Texas 8&5
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Believe what you want to believe. I know several small children who believe that a fat man in a red suit slid down their chimney and left them toys a couple of weeks ago.

That makes about as much sense as what you are selling. Roster turnover and the transfer portal makes "culture" a moot point.

I believe we spent 77 million to buy out a 9 win coach, and replaced him with an 8 win coach.

So far I have been proven right.
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1:04p, 1/7/25
Jimbo would have won 10 games with our schedule this year.
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Can I add that Elko seems to be blunt - Call it as he sees it - and actually takes accountability for his leadership.
He's not passing the blame for the November and Bowl Game collapse. He is saying I will ensure our defense will NOT play like that ever again.
He gets it. He is going to right the ship and takes pride in what he does.

He's exactly what we need. The Anti-Jimbo. All steak, no flash.
Get it done.
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Ah yes. Now we switch to using a decade old stats.

Forget the clear cut trends to what Jimbo had become in his final 8-9 seasons as a coach. Lets use 11 years ago, when there was no portal, no nil, far more practice time, and a different game altogether offensively.

Jimbo had CLEARLY trended to closer to a 6-7 win coach rather than a 9 win coach, and it takes something special to think otherwise.

Elko is by no means proven, but to list out all time wins over Jimbo tells about 10% of the story. It's fitting a narrative at best, flat out lying to yourself at worst.
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Jimbo would have won 10 games with our schedule this year.
Again, this takes an unbelievable level of denial and some special thinking to truly believe. Nothing about Jimbo's final 3 years, and really 7-8 of his final 9 years of coaching, would make one reasonably believe that he would take this talent and win 10 games with it. NOTHING.

He hadn't won a road game in 2.5 years. This years schedule had 2 of the top 4 teams left at home.

Jimbo would have been FAR MORE likely to go 7-5 by every measure of recent data we have than win 10.
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In reply to beerad12man • 1:12p, 1/7/25
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I likeElko, but I think Jimbo + NIL cash for better players would be mo' better than Jimbo's salary + Elko's salary and not as good players.
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1:24p, 1/7/25
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time will tell with Elko...

but he must upgrade the team at QB and WR

and get those players to the NFL
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In reply to SteveA • 1:25p, 1/7/25
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If we would actually have used it correctly, maybe.

But since when did Jimbo show he used NIL effectively? Used the portal effectively to utilize that NIL? Managed the roster effectively? People need to realize that NIL increased with Elko. Not the other way around. Everyone I have talked to that knows about our collective has said Elko did a better job of communicating that to the right people than Jimbo had, who had been left behind in a new world.

Nothing about recent data suggests anything other than another middling 7-5 year for jimbo. 8-4 would have been the high end. Again, with all his players in what would be year 7. That's the program he had built.
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