NoahAg said:

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Jimbo would have won 10 games with our schedule this year.

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LOL...maybe on Bizzaro World where losses count on wins.

Jimbo would have lost all those same games + LSU and FL (Reed would not have played) for sure and maybe even Mizzu.

beerad12man said:

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Ah yes. Now we switch to using a decade old stats.

Forget the clear cut trends to what Jimbo had become in his final 8-9 seasons as a coach. Lets use 11 years ago, when there was no portal, no nil, far more practice time, and a different game altogether offensively.

Jimbo had CLEARLY trended to closer to a 6-7 win coach rather than a 9 win coach, and it takes something special to think otherwise.

Elko is by no means proven, but to list out all time wins over Jimbo tells about 10% of the story. It's fitting a narrative at best, flat out lying to yourself at worst.

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Hey, believe what you want to believe.

Ho Ho Ho, and all that.

But it is clear you are just another in the long line who have elevated opinions of Elko, based solely on your personal hatred of Jimbo. You want it to be an upgrade so you believe it will be. Because you want to believe that Jimbo was everything wrong with our program, instead of digging into the real issues.

So enjoy the up the middle, up the middle, sideways pass on 3rd and long offense. And enjoy the oh ****, who was supposed to cover that guy defense. Enjoy the head scratching 4th down calls. Enjoy all the 15 yard penalties for slapping someone after the play is over (culture?). And as soon as he has the next "unforgivable" loss, I'm sure you'll be first in line screaming "fire his ass", whether we have an opportunity to upgrade or not.

And then after the buyout you can tell us all how the next guy is the greatest thing since sliced bread, because Elko never got our culture…

speaking of Jimbo...

and at the risk of bringing up a sore subject...

anyone notice what Achane is doing in the NFL? --- he's a star with the Dolphins

how did Jimbo not make him the feature back in 2021?

he should have had 50 more touches than Spiller -- not the other way around

My opinion has nothing to do with an elevated opinion for Elko.

It's that you are clearly overselling Jimbo as he was the last decade based on what he was in 2013/2014. Not the clear trend of what he had become the last 9 years and especially last 3 years.

I have zero hatred for Jimbo and actually like the guy on a non football level. Country boy, hunter, just seemed like a great fit. But Jimbo wasn't built for the nil/portal world. He utilized an offense that also wasn't built for the new rules world (less practice time, harder to pick up offense that took too much time to develop guys the way it needed to work). He was clearly out-dated here, and underachieved to his talent level about 4/6 years here, and dating back to Florida State, about 8 of his last 10 as a coach.

I am predicting 8-4 next year as of now. So this has nothing to do with sunshine pumping for Elko. I am very much in wait and see mode. But you are prematurely jumping the gun.

You have COMPLETELY missed the mark in this post. Literally almost every assumption you made in that post about me is completely wrong.

W said:

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speaking of Jimbo...

and at the risk of bringing up a sore subject...

anyone notice what Achane is doing in the NFL? --- he's a star with the Dolphins

how did Jimbo not make him the feature back in 2021?

he should have had 50 more touches than Spiller -- not the other way around

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I'd say Spiller's NFL career is the epitome of the culture Jimbo had here at A&M..
None of our guys during his coaching tenure here have had any success (barring Achane). They're all guys that got where they are on talent alone and just got fat and happy on that.

SunrayAg said:

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beerad12man said:

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Ah yes. Now we switch to using a decade old stats.

Forget the clear cut trends to what Jimbo had become in his final 8-9 seasons as a coach. Lets use 11 years ago, when there was no portal, no nil, far more practice time, and a different game altogether offensively.

Jimbo had CLEARLY trended to closer to a 6-7 win coach rather than a 9 win coach, and it takes something special to think otherwise.

Elko is by no means proven, but to list out all time wins over Jimbo tells about 10% of the story. It's fitting a narrative at best, flat out lying to yourself at worst.

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Hey, believe what you want to believe.

Ho Ho Ho, and all that.

But it is clear you are just another in the long line who have elevated opinions of Elko, based solely on your personal hatred of Jimbo. You want it to be an upgrade so you believe it will be. Because you want to believe that Jimbo was everything wrong with our program, instead of digging into the real issues.

So enjoy the up the middle, up the middle, sideways pass on 3rd and long offense. And enjoy the oh ****, who was supposed to cover that guy defense. Enjoy the head scratching 4th down calls. Enjoy all the 15 yard penalties for slapping someone after the play is over (culture?). And as soon as he has the next "unforgivable" loss, I'm sure you'll be first in line screaming "fire his ass", whether we have an opportunity to upgrade or not.

And then after the buyout you can tell us all how the next guy is the greatest thing since sliced bread, because Elko never got our culture…

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You forgot players smoking pot in the visiting team locker room after a blowout loss, and a defense that was just as bad.

Oh wait, that was Jimbo. The same guy who used to go missing for a day or two during the season and no one knew where he was. The same guy who put a crap offense on the field that continually had questionable play calls all season long.

And what exactly are those "real issues" that no coach can seem to fix in the last 22 seasons?

To this day I'm still mad Achane did not get more carries against Ole Miss.

Achane was tearing it up but Jimbo kept playing Spiller who was not doing anything that game.

Although Spiller was very good, Achane was special and should have been the feature back.

W said:

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speaking of Jimbo...

and at the risk of bringing up a sore subject...

anyone notice what Achane is doing in the NFL? --- he's a star with the Dolphins

how did Jimbo not make him the feature back in 2021?

he should have had 50 more touches than Spiller -- not the other way around

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Remember that game where he kept rotating Spiller and Achane when Achane was CLEARLY having a better day and running more effectively than Spiller. But no, we have to keep rotating our backs because 'reasons'.

EDIT: As Onionman pointed out, its as Ol Miss.

And I question things internally beyond just Jimbo, Sumlin, or Elko.

You don't go 8-5 every year for 2 decades without having some internal issues that need to be worked out.

But Jimbo's issues were very apparent to anyone following him closely. Roster management, NIL/portal usage, and an out-dated offense that requires much more out of his players than most to be effective. When it worked, it looked great. But it literally was harder to execute than average.

Jimbo was given more than any coach we have had in recent history and still couldn't match Sumlin, who also had more than his share of issues.

beerad12man said:

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And I question things internally beyond just Jimbo, Sumlin, or Elko.

You don't go 8-5 every year for 2 decades without having some internal issues that need to be worked out.

But Jimbo's issues were very apparent to anyone following him closely. Roster management, NIL/portal usage, and an out-dated offense that requires much more out of his players than most to be effective. When it worked, it looked great. But it literally was harder to execute than average.

Jimbo was given more than any coach we have had in recent history and still couldn't match Sumlin, who also had more than his share of issues.

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The BMA Ags are great at making money, but sure seem to suck at spending it (Jimbo Extension primarily)

I am with Elko also. He needs time and is gathering his talent.

Again, for those time/team challenged. If he had the same record at A&M that he had at FSU, he would still be the coach at A&M. He didn't, so he is not. It isn't that hard to understand.

Not to mention taking over Duke isn't exactly the same as taking over FSU after Bowden retired. smh

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agracer said:

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you could see it earlier in the year and I pointed it out.

During one of the games (can't recall which one) a player made a big mistake on the field. Instead of yelling at him on the sidelines, Elko has hand on his shoulder, was calming 'coaching' him, the player was nodding "yes" the whole time, Elko patted him on the shoulder and the player walked to the bench disappointed but not dejected. You could just see the players are buying into what he's trying to accomplish.

Jimbo would have just yelled like an idiot.

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So would Saban why may be why both of them have championships. Sometimes yelling or a kick in the butt is what kids need.

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I certainly don't remember every yelling event of each but for most that I do remember I recognized a big difference....

I often saw Alabama players taking Saban's screaming with respect and listening. A lot of Saban's yelling seemed to always come after brain dead mental errors. Not execution of a given play. Jimbo's often came at a player (A QB usually) for what he believed to be bad execution of a play.

There's nothing wrong with yelling and screaming as a coach. When and how makes a big difference. Jimbo's rants to me as a fan often came off as an effort to publicly put the blame on the kid.

You are going to make mistakes playing a game both physically and mentally. Screaming at a kid bc he threw it to the wrong read vs. screaming at a kid bc he was supposed to be on the field for a given package and wasn't paying attention causing to you take a time out. Stuff like that is a big difference.

Gyles Marrett said:

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There's nothing wrong with yelling and screaming as a coach. When and how makes a big difference. Jimbo's rants to me as a fan often came off as an effort to publicly put the blame on the kid.

You are going to make mistakes playing a game both physically and mentally. Screaming at a kid bc he threw it to the wrong read vs. screaming at a kid bc he was supposed to be on the field for a given package and wasn't paying attention causing to you take a time out. Stuff like that is a big difference.

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If they would just execute better!!!!!

agracer said:

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W said:

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speaking of Jimbo...

and at the risk of bringing up a sore subject...

anyone notice what Achane is doing in the NFL? --- he's a star with the Dolphins

how did Jimbo not make him the feature back in 2021?

he should have had 50 more touches than Spiller -- not the other way around

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Remember that game where he kept rotating Spiller and Achane when Achane was CLEARLY having a better day and running more effectively than Spiller. But no, we have to keep rotating our backs because 'reasons'.

EDIT: As Onionman pointed out, its as Ol Miss.

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Yes, Achane single handily got us back in the game in the 3rd quarter and then didn't have 1 touch in the 4th quarter. To this day it still ranks #1 to me on the most idiotic coaching moves regarding personel I've ever seen. Spiller did nothing that game except dance an lose yards while Achane tore them to shreds.

beerad12man said:

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TexasAggie_97 said:

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ought1ag said:

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easier to get 15 guys to buy in vs 85.......but i hope you are right

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Especially when about 25-30 of those 85 are new players each year.

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Closer to 35-40 each year. 25 was normal turnover in 2000.

Right now:

Ole Miss 37
Bama 30
Georgia 31
A&M 37
Texas 29
Tennessee 37
Auburn 40
Missouri 32

Just off quick glance, these are the number of new players each are bringing in as of now. And none of these teams are likely done. Particularly texas in the playoffs

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1/3 to 1/2 turnover every year. What a CF!

Bill Superman said:

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Outside of that, the culture does seem to be trending in the right direction. And if it continues and Elko continues to bring in top talent, then the SMU is the limit.

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SMU is the limit?

Lol, qb in place? We had continuity this season? How many wins did Jimbo have without qb continuity?

DTuba said:

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Lol, qb in place? We had continuity this season? How many wins did Jimbo have without qb continuity?

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He was 17-8 with Mond (2018-2020).

2020 and 2018 were A&M's easiest SEC schedules
https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3511625/replies/69434042

Gyles Marrett said:

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agracer said:

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W said:

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speaking of Jimbo...

and at the risk of bringing up a sore subject...

anyone notice what Achane is doing in the NFL? --- he's a star with the Dolphins

how did Jimbo not make him the feature back in 2021?

he should have had 50 more touches than Spiller -- not the other way around

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Remember that game where he kept rotating Spiller and Achane when Achane was CLEARLY having a better day and running more effectively than Spiller. But no, we have to keep rotating our backs because 'reasons'.

EDIT: As Onionman pointed out, its as Ol Miss.

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Yes, Achane single handily got us back in the game in the 3rd quarter and then didn't have 1 touch in the 4th quarter. To this day it still ranks #1 to me on the most idiotic coaching moves regarding personel I've ever seen. Spiller did nothing that game except dance an lose yards while Achane tore them to shreds.

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Ah, You didn't witness the Fran years!
Speed option to the short side of the field on 3rd and 12... Rinse and repeat.

seebond said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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agracer said:

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W said:

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speaking of Jimbo...

and at the risk of bringing up a sore subject...

anyone notice what Achane is doing in the NFL? --- he's a star with the Dolphins

how did Jimbo not make him the feature back in 2021?

he should have had 50 more touches than Spiller -- not the other way around

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Remember that game where he kept rotating Spiller and Achane when Achane was CLEARLY having a better day and running more effectively than Spiller. But no, we have to keep rotating our backs because 'reasons'.

EDIT: As Onionman pointed out, its as Ol Miss.

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Yes, Achane single handily got us back in the game in the 3rd quarter and then didn't have 1 touch in the 4th quarter. To this day it still ranks #1 to me on the most idiotic coaching moves regarding personel I've ever seen. Spiller did nothing that game except dance an lose yards while Achane tore them to shreds.

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Ah, You didn't witness the Fran years!
Speed option to the short side of the field on 3rd and 12... Rinse and repeat.

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HEY, Smoke Draw would like a word!

I believe in him as well. So then is there then anything to this:

https://www.sharebaze.com/2025/01/06/breaking-aggies-head-coach-mike-elko-eyeing-nfl-move-after-record-breaking-contract-offer-worth-35-5/

Only if you believe Ross Bjork is still the ad at A&M.

Eagle78 said:

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I believe in him as well. So then is there then anything to this:

https://www.sharebaze.com/2025/01/06/breaking-aggies-head-coach-mike-elko-eyeing-nfl-move-after-record-breaking-contract-offer-worth-35-5/

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Sip garbage.

BTW, their Prez is leaving for SMU. LOL!

I've been really critical of Elko

But to look back fondly on a complete fraud program that was Jimbo Fisher's is a head scratcher

The only success we had w Jimbo was due to Elko's defenses

Nice post.

I think Elko is a solid head coach and doing things the right way.

Elko started 7-1 (5-0 SEC) before losing 4 of his last 5 games, including 3 consecutive losses to end the season. Our only win in that span was over New Mexico State, and we have lost 4 consecutive games to Power 4 opponents since a 38-23 win over LSU on 10/26. Dating back to a 42-30 road loss at LSU on 11/25/2023, we have lost 4 consecutive November SEC games and 6 consecutive November Power 4 games. We have not won beaten a Power 4 opponent in the month of November since a 51-10 home win over Mississippi State on 11/11/2023, which was Jimbo's last game of his tenure. Also, we have not won a bowl game since a 41-27 win over North Carolina in the 2021 Orange Bowl on 1/2/2021.

Losses to 9-4 (5-3 SEC) South Carolina and 13-2 (7-1 SEC) CFP semifinalist Texas were understandable, but a loss at 5-7 (2-6 SEC) Auburn was inexcusable. If we had beaten Auburn, we would have finished 9-3 (6-2 SEC) in the regular season and reached the SEC Championship Game for the first time. Yes, Texas would have probably beaten us again, but we probably could have gotten a better bowl game and won it to finish 10-4 (6-2 SEC).

Next year, we will have a tougher home/away split because our toughest games against Notre Dame, LSU, Missouri, and Texas will all be on the road instead of at home. We will play a true road game at Arkansas for the first time since 2013 and at LSU the very next week. Also, our schedule is very unbalanced with 3 straight SEC home games against Auburn on 9/27, Mississippi State on 10/4, and Florida on 10/11 before a stretch of 3 straight SEC road games at Arkansas on 10/18, LSU on 10/25, and Missouri on 11/8 in span of 4 weeks. With that schedule, I think we will have a floor of 7-5 and a ceiling of 9-3 with likely road losses at Notre Dame, LSU, and Texas. The 5 road games at Notre Dame, Arkansas, Missouri, LSU, and Texas will make or break our season.

I think 2026 could be a playoff year or 10+ win season, but we don't know if we will go to 8 or 9 SEC games and who we are playing besides Texas. The 2026 SEC schedule might have us playing Georgia at Kyle Field for the first time ever and Kentucky at Kroger Field for the first time since 1953.

hold the rope

Dan Campbell and the Lions is the definition of culture. He said that everyone knows that the core guys define what it means to be lion, so any and all newcomers know what is expected.

This is incredibly difficult to do. Maybe Elko can do it. Maybe he can't. It isn't impossible but it takes an incredibly focused effort to change the trajectory of a tenured franchise that has failed to be anything more than "next year"

I like elko. maybe he can build the winning culture....but not more than 2 years max....either you win or find someone that can...

Buzz Williams is really a different character of sorts...It took so long for him to find some success here...Since we are not so crazy about basketball, we more likely be patience than most program...so let him be

It's all about QB, marketing, and back room politics. We currently have 1 of 3. Going to have to bully our way to the top, which I actually prefer strangely.

I am hopeful Elko can solve the riddle at A&M, but it is hard to be optimistic after the rinse and repeat scenarios we have been through with coaches.

aggie-1997 said:

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I am hopeful Elko can solve the riddle at A&M, but it is hard to be optimistic after the rinse and repeat scenarios we have been through with coaches.

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I 100% agree with you that it's just hard to predict anything other than 8-4 right now.

However, a relatively optimistic counterpoint.

Fisher is the only coach that built up a top 7-8 roster on paper. He also underachieved to his talent levels about 6/8 years at FSU too and showed many of the same issues there.

People have this notion that Sherman, Sumlin, Fran, all had top 10 rosters and it simply wasn't true. Sumlin's teams were typically in the 13-18 range on the talent composite, for example. He had one top 5 recruiting class in 6 years and 2 top 10s. Most were in the 11-20 range.

With Elko, even though many were concerned of his recruiting, we have started out the the #7 class, have the #2 class currently, and have the #3 and #6 portal classes. We are trending to being somewhere in the 6-9 range moving forward talent wise, which would be better than all but TWO of our seasons the last 25 years, FWIW.

In this new NIL world, we should be a mainstay for top 10 talent which really hasn't been true for about 22 of the last 25 years. Again, our fans have long been DEAD WRONG about our overestimating our on paper talent levels most years, and we have spent far more years in the 13-18 range (which equates to 8-5 in the sec) than we have in the top 5-8 which is where you ideally want to be(other than being #1-4 of course)

We shall see if it translates to more wins. Fisher is the only coach we have tried with a top tier roster, though.

beerad12man said:

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aggie-1997 said:

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I am hopeful Elko can solve the riddle at A&M, but it is hard to be optimistic after the rinse and repeat scenarios we have been through with coaches.

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I 100% agree with you that it's just hard to predict anything other than 8-4 right now.

However, a relatively optimistic counterpoint.

Fisher is the only coach that built up a top 7-8 roster on paper. He also underachieved to his talent levels about 6/8 years at FSU too and showed many of the same issues there.

People have this notion that Sherman, Sumlin, Fran, all had top 10 rosters and it simply wasn't true. Sumlin's teams were typically in the 13-18 range on the talent composite, for example. He had one top 5 recruiting class in 6 years and 2 top 10s. Most were in the 11-20 range.

With Elko, even though many were concerned of his recruiting, we have started out the the #7 class, have the #2 class currently, and have the #3 and #6 portal classes. We are trending to being somewhere in the 6-9 range moving forward talent wise, which would be better than all but TWO of our seasons the last 25 years, FWIW.

In this new NIL world, we should be a mainstay for top 10 talent which really hasn't been true for about 22 of the last 25 years. Again, our fans have long been DEAD WRONG about our overestimating our on paper talent levels most years, and we have spent far more years in the 13-18 range (which equates to 8-5 in the sec) than we have in the top 5-8 which is where you ideally want to be(other than being #1-4 of course)

We shall see if it translates to more wins. Fisher is the only coach we have tried with a top tier roster, though.

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This is accurate. And if we can keep our recruiting classes in the top 10, and really in the top 8, then coach up our talent and maybe even land some diamonds in the rough then we can compete with the best of them.

And after a good season, recruiting becomes that much easier and should get us closer to top 5.

Once we do this then we'll need to carry our momentum forward. And we have a decent chance of being able to do this with how recruiting is going so far under Elko.

We had the best recruiting classes we had seen under Jimbo but they weren't coached up, had major culture/locker room issues, and a backwards playbook. Not to mention the biggest bust of a top rated class ever.

Now that Elko has shown he can recruit and he's expressed his focus on the culture ad nauseam, the next step is to see if he can coach them up. I like our chances, but I'm also not holding my breath.

I'm not holding my breath either and will predict 8-4 until our program gives me a reason not to.

But a part of me thinks this 2025 class ends up better than most, if not all, of Fisher's classes. It's just more well rounded and balanced than what he brought in. Sometimes Fisher's classes were heavy on 1-2 positions, namely the DL, and lacking across other positions.

This class doesn't have any real weaknesses on paper. It appears to be good to great at every position. We have a 4 star at every single position. 2026 is shaping up even nicer.

I think our composite will be about 10-12 in 2025 (just the 2023/2024 classes being ranked a bit lower will take time to recover), but trend up to 7-8 if the 2026 class finishes the way it's shaping up right now (multiple 5 stars and national top 100 guys we currently lead for)

This may be hard to read in this format, but:

1 4 star QB
2 4 star RBs
1 5 star and 1 4 star WR
2 4 star TEs
1 5 star and 3 4 star OL
3 4 star DL (and the 3 star was heavily pursued by multiple sec schools late and may be the best)
2 4 star LB
3 4 star CB
1 4 star N
1 4 star S

Now, some of these are low 4 star guys. It's not like we brought in a national top 100 guy at every position. But still.