Hal Mumme taught him everything he knew.

I love Leach, and the world is a worse place without him. That said, he would have probably not done any better or worse in the NIL era. He was what he was. He had success at schools not known for high success because he was able to do more with less. He wasn't made for the big schools with the big donors and buttoned up types in charge. He was *****ly to administrative folks at the schools, and he was not a coach to bend to the will of prima-donna NIL queens who were justvinnitnfor the money. He was great at recognizing talent that worked for him and his system, not talent that necessarily translated well to an NFL skill set. He didn't target the 5* type players who would have demanded so much. There is a reason he made his living at the Wassu/Texas Techs of the world, and not Bama/tu of the world.

He was the predecessor to Lane Kiffin, but was a better coach than Kiffin. But with his style of play, his teams would always be in every game they played. Always win between 8-10 games. No more, no less. Would always win a big game they shouldn't have, but always lose a stinker they shouldn't have too.

Leach was perfect for who he was, and the schools where he was. Considering that, I can find nothing wrong with him

Odd hypothetical

Mike was good in taking rejects and teaching them his offensive system. Players with high NIL contracts are not rejects and wouldn't fit in tech's flea bitten culture. I recall they couldn't even afford stamps to mail out recruiting letters.

Aggie Dad 26 said:

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He never dominated
Never would have

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Nobody has ever dominated at the programs he's been head coach, never will.


That's not how you lo9k at this thing, coaches record in a vacuum

I think where NIL would have helped Leach was defense. A bigger school might have gotten him a better DC, then use NIL and the portal to get talent. He was doing well enough on offense with the talent he had, and a move to a big school could have helped him get players for his offense without blowing the NIL budget for them.

Sense

This thread makes none.

HTownMan87 said:

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He ran a deadly offense, that was fun for skill players and easy to recruit. The founder or one of the founders of the air raid. Known for developing offenses and offensive minds that created some of the better offenses in this century.

Gave interesting interviews that kept him talked about in the media. And generally torched the hell out of us.

You give the pirate NIL and the TP, which flattens the skill gap for smaller schools for which he usually coached. He would be pillaging every roster in the NCAA. Songs would have been written for the size of his booty or recruiting classes. We'd all be shipmates for the pirate they called Leach.

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Mike Leach never coached a first place team.
His supporters heavily overrate him. Many folks that hype him up fail to realize that defense is also a part of football.

jamey said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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He never dominated
Never would have

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Nobody has ever dominated at the programs he's been head coach, never will.


That's not how you lo9k at this thing, coaches record in a vacuum

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Art Briles and Gary Patterson did two things that Mike Leach could never do:
1. Beat Texas and OU in the same season
2. Win the BIGXII in football
3. They accomplished first place seasons at TCU and Baylor....no excuse for Tech not to do it.

Mike was not known as a "player's coach." He was tough on his players (see videos from Tech, lawsuit, etc). He would have a hell of a time re-recruiting all these players each season (part of the job now).

He also never coached at a school with significant NIL resources.

Like BMX said- this thread makes no sense. If anything, the opposite is likely true- he would have really struggled under NIL rules.

TTU is the only place he coached at that actually has a decent NIL budget. I would honestly be surprised if WSU or MSU have NIL budgets at all.

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montanagriz said:

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Haters gonna hate

Leach would do wonders at a big school with talent

Managed to beat atm quite a bit with a lot less

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Beating A&M during the latter RC years and Franchione era isn't exactly an amazing feat of strength.

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Leach did it with less talent each time. Was 9-4 vs Ags. Never coached at a school that was talent rich.

Kellso said:

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jamey said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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He never dominated
Never would have

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Nobody has ever dominated at the programs he's been head coach, never will.


That's not how you lo9k at this thing, coaches record in a vacuum

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Art Briles and Gary Patterson did two things that Mike Leach could never do:
1. Beat Texas and OU in the same season
2. Win the BIGXII in football
3. They accomplished first place seasons at TCU and Baylor....no excuse for Tech not to do it.

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How many times did WE do those things?

We won the big 12 once on mostly a KSU screw up fumble.

montanagriz said:

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Haters gonna hate

Leach would do wonders at a big school with talent

Managed to beat atm quite a bit with a lot less

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I don't think leach ever really wanted to coach at a big school: that's why he went to wasu after tech and then miss st

I think he liked being at a place that was out of the spotlight because he was a weird dude who beat to his own drum


Some folks aren't meant for the big jobs

Dan Mullen should have stayed at miss st

BCG should have stayed at A&M

Mark few did it right by staying at Gonzaga

neat

Aggie Dad 26 said:

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He never dominated
Never would have

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Leach dominated us! And, Tech beating us is one of the reasons R C Slocum got fired. As a reminder, RC's last season was 2002. Losing to Tech two years in a row (2001 and 2002) added fuel to the fire raging to get rid of RC.
Franchonie (2003 - 2007) only beat the Pirate once: 2004. Mike Sherman was 1:1 against the Pirate.

2000: Tech L 15:33
2001: Tech W 12:0
2002: Tech W 48:47
2003: Tech W 59:28
2004: Tech L 25:32
2005: Tech W 56:17
2006: Tech W 31:27
2007: Tech W 35:7
2008: Tech W 43:25
2009: Tech L 30:52

WolfCall said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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He never dominated
Never would have

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Leach dominated us! And, Tech beating us is one of the reasons R C Slocum got fired. As a reminder, RC's last season was 2002. Losing to Tech two years in a row (2001 and 2002) added fuel to the fire raging to get rid of RC.
Franchonie (2003 - 2007) only beat the Pirate once: 2004. Mike Sherman was 1:1 against the Pirate.

2000: Tech L 15:33
2001: Tech W 12:0
2002: Tech W 48:47
2003: Tech W 59:28
2004: Tech L 25:32
2005: Tech W 56:17
2006: Tech W 31:27
2007: Tech W 35:7
2008: Tech W 43:25
2009: Tech L 30:52

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Yep, he beat an old coach on his way out the door and a fraud

Aggie Dad 26 said:

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WolfCall said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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He never dominated
Never would have

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Leach dominated us! And, Tech beating us is one of the reasons R C Slocum got fired. As a reminder, RC's last season was 2002. Losing to Tech two years in a row (2001 and 2002) added fuel to the fire raging to get rid of RC.
Franchonie (2003 - 2007) only beat the Pirate once: 2004. Mike Sherman was 1:1 against the Pirate.

2000: Tech L 15:33
2001: Tech W 12:0
2002: Tech W 48:47
2003: Tech W 59:28
2004: Tech L 25:32
2005: Tech W 56:17
2006: Tech W 31:27
2007: Tech W 35:7
2008: Tech W 43:25
2009: Tech L 30:52

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Yep, he beat an old coach on his way out the door and a fraud

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He also went 2-1 against Jimbo. He had A&M's number.

Leach always matched up well against the old school conservative coaches that wanted to run the ball, punt, and play defense

Leach beat OU 3 times at Tech from 2000 to 2009

A&M only beat OU once during that span (2002)

Leach dominated TAMU with just a fraction of the budget, resources, or alumni base.

FACTS.

He ded man.

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Yep, he beat an old coach on his way out the door and a fraud

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Typical. Reviling and despising coaches that beat us ion and trying to diminish their victories.

You can't diminish the victories against us without diminishing us. With that said, are you saying we were crap for the ten years that Leach coached Tech and Leaches victories against us are meaningless?

He beat RC.
He beat Fran.
He was 1:1 against Mike Sherman.

WolfCall said:

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Yep, he beat an old coach on his way out the door and a fraud

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Typical. Reviling and despising coaches that beat us ion and trying to diminish their victories.

You can't diminish the victories against us without diminishing us. With that said, are you saying we were crap for the ten years that Leach coached Tech and Leaches victories against us are meaningless?

He beat RC.
He beat Fran.
He was 1:1 against Mike Sherman.

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No.

He beat up on an Aggie football program that was down. He didn't win championships. How many conference championships and Ntl Championships did that guy win?

*edit*

Let me add this.
Brown, Stoops, and Leach all coached in the same conference during the same era. Leach is the only one of those 3 that gets a weird amount of love yet the other two had more success as a coach

Compare those 3 and their resumes

Didn't he win Coach of the Year twice, at two different schools?

Ag Tag said:

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Didn't he win Coach of the Year twice, at two different schools?

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Yep. He had 10+ wins... twice in his career

*golf clap*