Alabama during Saban's run brought in billions to the school. They could have paid him tens of millions each year and he still would have been a bargain.Bill Superman said:
I wish our athletic department had the slightest idea of the gargantuan amount of money that would pour in if we actually won anything in football.
If they did, winning would become the only thing that they cared about.
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De Boers contract guarantees him 90% of the remaining contract should he be fired without cause. Which means if they did want to fire him after next season, should the seasons tank, Bama would owe him approximately $59 million. Not quite a Jimbo payout but still pretty damn steep.HJack20 said:
DeBoer could go 6-6 and they wouldn't fire him after year 2. A coach with that contract isn't getting canned after 2 seasons.
He probably means the one that has 1 SR draft pick and had gone 12-13 the previous two seasons, while needing 25 transfers with 14 starting games for us.Aggie Dad 26 said:CoachLB said:
The lack of football knowledge on here sometimes shocks me. Elko will win a championship here. The guy has been successful everywhere. He took over a mess of a program. Elko is not lazy. He does not need fan pressure. He will put pressure on himself. He is getting rid of the players who won't get with the program. And our fans whine because "I liked that guy." The football stupid sip fans said the same things about Sark after his first two seasons. I am not "pumping sunshine" Elko is going to get A&M there. It may cost you your favorite player but he will and is getting guys in here that will do the work it takes. Losing Moss, Owens etc hurt us late. Weigman going crazy hurt. But like I said Elko is getting the right guys in here. All this doom and gloom after year one shows just as much craziness as the sips wanting Sark fired after year one. Don't be sip-like. You have to build a championship program. Saban was on the hot seat after one season at Alabama. If A&M is not a 10 win playoff contender next season I will comeback and say I was wrong. But the football signs to me says I am not.
So much to take on with this take.
You mean the messy roster that had draft picks on defense? He's a former d-cord! Oh, and he arrived with a 5 star qb that had SEC experience and a 4-star QB.
Stop with the excuses
Per PFF, the worst OL in the sec west and I think 13/14 in the sec in 2023. Question marks at WR, TE, DL depth before he hit the portal, LB, and DB, especially before hit the portal. Even question marks at QB with your guy coming off a major injury. Your RB position was your strength, and got injured. Your DL was your strength on defense. That was the one position I think people have a legit complaint about and should raise questions. The rest is pretty much expected. In fact, I thought the OL did better than expected.
That roster.
It's not excuses. Our draft picks will be middle of the pack in the sec (3 total). We finished slightly above middle of the pack in the sec terms of W/L record. Sounds about right to me.
CoachLB said:
The lack of football knowledge on here sometimes shocks me. Elko will win a championship here. The guy has been successful everywhere. He took over a mess of a program. Elko is not lazy. He does not need fan pressure. He will put pressure on himself. He is getting rid of the players who won't get with the program. And our fans whine because "I liked that guy." The football stupid sip fans said the same things about Sark after his first two seasons. I am not "pumping sunshine" Elko is going to get A&M there. It may cost you your favorite player but he will and is getting guys in here that will do the work it takes. Losing Moss, Owens etc hurt us late. Weigman going crazy hurt. But like I said Elko is getting the right guys in here. All this doom and gloom after year one shows just as much craziness as the sips wanting Sark fired after year one. Don't be sip-like. You have to build a championship program. Saban was on the hot seat after one season at Alabama. If A&M is not a 10 win playoff contender next season I will comeback and say I was wrong. But the football signs to me says I am not.
10 win playoff contender for next year is a reach.
But if the signs of legit continued improvement are still there, we need to keep on the Elko train.
Draft picks (or lack thereof) are what we've been missing for decades. Gotta be able to effectively
A) recruit the right ones
B) work to retain them, and
C) positively transform their bodies and their skill sets to garner legit NFL interest
If we're honest about it, we haven't had a coach do all 3 of those very well yet.
And best one we had got fired mostly for game day XO reasons, and an open dislike of the SEC move
Alabama is used to winning.
Except for a short period in a failing weak SWC the Aggies do what they do.
Even when backing up the Brinks trucks for coaches (Sherrill, Franchione and Jimbo) it stays the same.
Cheap coaches and rich coaches the outcome is always the same.
Except for a short period in a failing weak SWC the Aggies do what they do.
Even when backing up the Brinks trucks for coaches (Sherrill, Franchione and Jimbo) it stays the same.
Cheap coaches and rich coaches the outcome is always the same.
the most cool guy said:
I'm getting esoteric and going back to my undergrad philosophy classes at A&M with this, but I remember having a class-wide discussion/debate when we were going over systems theory about the philosophical proposition known as POSIWID.
It stands for "the purpose of a system is what it does." This is basically the lens through which I have viewed most things in life ever since, and I think it is pretty accurate.
If you're evaluating a system, and you want to know its purpose, just look at what it actually does. If the promoters of the system try to tell you that its purpose is to do something other than what it does, ignore them and look at what the system actually does in practice.
The Texas A&M athletic department, and more specifically our football program, consistently does only one thing exceptionally well: generate revenue for itself. As far as I am concerned, that is its purpose, not to win championships.
Now, is it within the realm of possibility that the purpose of the football program is, in fact, to win championships, but it has just been failing miserably to do that for the last 85 years? Maybe that's possible. But what is the likelihood that a system was created for the primary purpose of winning championships and failed to do so for 85 consecutive years? The far more likely explanation is that the people running our athletic department now and for the last 85 years view the football program first and foremost as a revenue generator and a branding and marketing supplement for the university, and actually winning games/championships is a distant second or third priority.
What is the solution? I don't know. But you won't convince me our football program's number one priority is winning a championship until we win one or at least play for one. It's a revenue generator, which is why mediocrity is tolerated as long as dollars keep coming in.
Not arguing that you are wrong, but if its sole purpose is to make money for itself then wouldn't they stand to make significantly more money by winning championships?
Yes they would but that requires more input. We wrote the book on maximum revenue with minimum input. I don't see them changing that recipe anytime soon.
Give me the guy who shoots for excellence and fails over the guy who shoots for mediocrity and succeeds.
Why is it a reach?TxAg76 said:CoachLB said:
The lack of football knowledge on here sometimes shocks me. Elko will win a championship here. The guy has been successful everywhere. He took over a mess of a program. Elko is not lazy. He does not need fan pressure. He will put pressure on himself. He is getting rid of the players who won't get with the program. And our fans whine because "I liked that guy." The football stupid sip fans said the same things about Sark after his first two seasons. I am not "pumping sunshine" Elko is going to get A&M there. It may cost you your favorite player but he will and is getting guys in here that will do the work it takes. Losing Moss, Owens etc hurt us late. Weigman going crazy hurt. But like I said Elko is getting the right guys in here. All this doom and gloom after year one shows just as much craziness as the sips wanting Sark fired after year one. Don't be sip-like. You have to build a championship program. Saban was on the hot seat after one season at Alabama. If A&M is not a 10 win playoff contender next season I will comeback and say I was wrong. But the football signs to me says I am not.
10 win playoff contender for next year is a reach.
But if the signs of legit continued improvement are still there, we need to keep on the Elko train.
Draft picks (or lack thereof) are what we've been missing for decades. Gotta be able to effectively
A) recruit the right ones
B) work to retain them, and
C) positively transform their bodies and their skill sets to garner legit NFL interest
If we're honest about it, we haven't had a coach do all 3 of those very well yet.
And best one we had got fired mostly for game day XO reasons, and an open dislike of the SEC move
Of the 12 coaches that made it to the playoff this year nine had a ten win season by their second year. Of the other three (Sark, Franklin, and Swinney) two of them reached the 10 win plateau by season three with the last (Dabo) reaching 10 wins by season four.
So, to say it's a reach... well, it really isn't. For a really good coach anyway. Is that Elko? Meh, my gut says no but time will tell.
beerad12man said:He probably means the one that has 1 SR draft pick and had gone 12-13 the previous two seasons, while needing 25 transfers with 14 starting games for us.Aggie Dad 26 said:CoachLB said:
The lack of football knowledge on here sometimes shocks me. Elko will win a championship here. The guy has been successful everywhere. He took over a mess of a program. Elko is not lazy. He does not need fan pressure. He will put pressure on himself. He is getting rid of the players who won't get with the program. And our fans whine because "I liked that guy." The football stupid sip fans said the same things about Sark after his first two seasons. I am not "pumping sunshine" Elko is going to get A&M there. It may cost you your favorite player but he will and is getting guys in here that will do the work it takes. Losing Moss, Owens etc hurt us late. Weigman going crazy hurt. But like I said Elko is getting the right guys in here. All this doom and gloom after year one shows just as much craziness as the sips wanting Sark fired after year one. Don't be sip-like. You have to build a championship program. Saban was on the hot seat after one season at Alabama. If A&M is not a 10 win playoff contender next season I will comeback and say I was wrong. But the football signs to me says I am not.
So much to take on with this take.
You mean the messy roster that had draft picks on defense? He's a former d-cord! Oh, and he arrived with a 5 star qb that had SEC experience and a 4-star QB.
Stop with the excuses
Per PFF, the worst OL in the sec west and I think 13/14 in the sec in 2023. Question marks at WR, TE, DL depth before he hit the portal, LB, and DB, especially before hit the portal. Even question marks at QB with your guy coming off a major injury. Your RB position was your strength, and got injured. Your DL was your strength on defense. That was the one position I think people have a legit complaint about and should raise questions. The rest is pretty much expected. In fact, I thought the OL did better than expected.
That roster.
It's not excuses. Our draft picks will be middle of the pack in the sec (3 total). We finished slightly above middle of the pack in the sec terms of W/L record. Sounds about right to me.
1. "He probably means the one that has 1 SR draft pick"
What a terrible excuse. So having seniors getting drafted on your watch is different from a junior? How?? NFL takent is NFL talent. Thats a big fat excuse
2."had gone 12-13 the previous two seasons,"
Yet another excuse. A&M fired that staff FOR UNDER PERFORMING!!!
3."while needing 25 transfers with 14 starting games for us."
Good for the coaching staff. Sounds like they were able to get a lot of players of their preference, no??
4."Per PFF, the worst OL in the sec west and I think 13/14 in the sec in 2023"
Who is PFF and why are you putting weight into their rankings? As per the texags pumpers, the Oline greatly improved. Would you pull up some oline statistics so we can rank them based on statistical performance? I bet you won't because it won't match the garage ranking you provided in your take.
5."Question marks at WR, TE, DL depth before he hit the portal, LB, and DB, especially before hit the portal. Even question marks at QB with your guy coming off a major injury"
This one is hard to take serious. Who had these as question marks before the season??? The only question marks I was aware of after watching the 23' season and reading texags last preseason was Oline and WR. I was assured by the pumpers we were good every where else. Where did our recruiting rankings put those TEs out of HS that Elko inherented? The two QBs that he had?? DL depth? Are you outta your freaking mind??? Wow!!!
6.Our draft picks will be middle of the pack in the sec (3 total
Sure thing, Mel Kieper. You realize some of this takent can make the NFL outside the draft and stay in the league for 3+ years? Those "middle of the pack" guys you claim could prove to be better than where they're taken? *bookmarked*
PanzerAggie06 said:Elite? Only in the minds of Aggies was A&M elite in 80s and 90s. How, if we were elite, did we never even sniff a NC and managed a whopping one conference championship upon joining a legit conference?offenseguru said:
We were an elite program in 80s-90s and tu was trash. We have been on the cusp since joining the SEC with just a few pieces missing. We were and will be again preferred over other schools because our network truly loves kids, know how to mentor kids, and our school not t shirt fans truly want football to be great, has the resources and the most unique and passionate TEXAS intense and friendly culture of any place on Earth. A few losses and other schools with their semi committed non invested fan bases go by the way side. Win here and it's legend status for life. Other places barely draw crowds for any non marquee game.
Elite....hahahahahahahahaha.
We sure as hell had some elite teams back there. Sorry you've never experienced that.
Muy said:PanzerAggie06 said:Elite? Only in the minds of Aggies was A&M elite in 80s and 90s. How, if we were elite, did we never even sniff a NC and managed a whopping one conference championship upon joining a legit conference?offenseguru said:
We were an elite program in 80s-90s and tu was trash. We have been on the cusp since joining the SEC with just a few pieces missing. We were and will be again preferred over other schools because our network truly loves kids, know how to mentor kids, and our school not t shirt fans truly want football to be great, has the resources and the most unique and passionate TEXAS intense and friendly culture of any place on Earth. A few losses and other schools with their semi committed non invested fan bases go by the way side. Win here and it's legend status for life. Other places barely draw crowds for any non marquee game.
Elite....hahahahahahahahaha.
We sure as hell had some elite teams back there. Sorry you've never experienced that.
They were damn good, but never really got over the hump to be elite. Jackie's mid 80's SWC teams were good, but they always lost somewhere along the way during the season that kept them from being Elite. RC's early 90's teams were very good but when they faced anyone with equal or better talent, it almost always was a loss. Or there would be stupid game, like the tie against SMU in 1994…just never quite good enough to finish top 5.
We've had elite college players over the years.
We've never had an elite team.
Not in my life time as an Aggie since 1985.
We've never had an elite team.
Not in my life time as an Aggie since 1985.
PanzerAggie06 said:Why is it a reach?TxAg76 said:CoachLB said:
The lack of football knowledge on here sometimes shocks me. Elko will win a championship here. The guy has been successful everywhere. He took over a mess of a program. Elko is not lazy. He does not need fan pressure. He will put pressure on himself. He is getting rid of the players who won't get with the program. And our fans whine because "I liked that guy." The football stupid sip fans said the same things about Sark after his first two seasons. I am not "pumping sunshine" Elko is going to get A&M there. It may cost you your favorite player but he will and is getting guys in here that will do the work it takes. Losing Moss, Owens etc hurt us late. Weigman going crazy hurt. But like I said Elko is getting the right guys in here. All this doom and gloom after year one shows just as much craziness as the sips wanting Sark fired after year one. Don't be sip-like. You have to build a championship program. Saban was on the hot seat after one season at Alabama. If A&M is not a 10 win playoff contender next season I will comeback and say I was wrong. But the football signs to me says I am not.
10 win playoff contender for next year is a reach.
But if the signs of legit continued improvement are still there, we need to keep on the Elko train.
Draft picks (or lack thereof) are what we've been missing for decades. Gotta be able to effectively
A) recruit the right ones
B) work to retain them, and
C) positively transform their bodies and their skill sets to garner legit NFL interest
If we're honest about it, we haven't had a coach do all 3 of those very well yet.
And best one we had got fired mostly for game day XO reasons, and an open dislike of the SEC move
Of the 12 coaches that made it to the playoff this year nine had a ten win season by their second year. Of the other three (Sark, Franklin, and Swinney) two of them reached the 10 win plateau by season three with the last (Dabo) reaching 10 wins by season four.
So, to say it's a reach... well, it really isn't. For a really good coach anyway. Is that Elko? Meh, my gut says no but time will tell.
Just because of schedule.
Of the games that matter, yeah we're playing the same teams….but where this year we were fortunate to get the upper tier at home, next year they'll all be on the road.
TxAg76 said:PanzerAggie06 said:Why is it a reach?TxAg76 said:CoachLB said:
The lack of football knowledge on here sometimes shocks me. Elko will win a championship here. The guy has been successful everywhere. He took over a mess of a program. Elko is not lazy. He does not need fan pressure. He will put pressure on himself. He is getting rid of the players who won't get with the program. And our fans whine because "I liked that guy." The football stupid sip fans said the same things about Sark after his first two seasons. I am not "pumping sunshine" Elko is going to get A&M there. It may cost you your favorite player but he will and is getting guys in here that will do the work it takes. Losing Moss, Owens etc hurt us late. Weigman going crazy hurt. But like I said Elko is getting the right guys in here. All this doom and gloom after year one shows just as much craziness as the sips wanting Sark fired after year one. Don't be sip-like. You have to build a championship program. Saban was on the hot seat after one season at Alabama. If A&M is not a 10 win playoff contender next season I will comeback and say I was wrong. But the football signs to me says I am not.
10 win playoff contender for next year is a reach.
But if the signs of legit continued improvement are still there, we need to keep on the Elko train.
Draft picks (or lack thereof) are what we've been missing for decades. Gotta be able to effectively
A) recruit the right ones
B) work to retain them, and
C) positively transform their bodies and their skill sets to garner legit NFL interest
If we're honest about it, we haven't had a coach do all 3 of those very well yet.
And best one we had got fired mostly for game day XO reasons, and an open dislike of the SEC move
Of the 12 coaches that made it to the playoff this year nine had a ten win season by their second year. Of the other three (Sark, Franklin, and Swinney) two of them reached the 10 win plateau by season three with the last (Dabo) reaching 10 wins by season four.
So, to say it's a reach... well, it really isn't. For a really good coach anyway. Is that Elko? Meh, my gut says no but time will tell.
Just because of schedule.
Of the games that matter, yeah we're playing the same teams….but where this year we were fortunate to get the upper tier at home, next year they'll all be on the road.
Yeah, and Vander claimed next year's schedule is "marginally more difficult"
Unbelievable
Am I allowed to say that I hate Aggie Dad 26 or is that too harsh?
Muy said:PanzerAggie06 said:Elite? Only in the minds of Aggies was A&M elite in 80s and 90s. How, if we were elite, did we never even sniff a NC and managed a whopping one conference championship upon joining a legit conference?offenseguru said:
We were an elite program in 80s-90s and tu was trash. We have been on the cusp since joining the SEC with just a few pieces missing. We were and will be again preferred over other schools because our network truly loves kids, know how to mentor kids, and our school not t shirt fans truly want football to be great, has the resources and the most unique and passionate TEXAS intense and friendly culture of any place on Earth. A few losses and other schools with their semi committed non invested fan bases go by the way side. Win here and it's legend status for life. Other places barely draw crowds for any non marquee game.
Elite....hahahahahahahahaha.
We sure as hell had some elite teams back there. Sorry you've never experienced that.
I was there. And no we did not have elite teams.
Elite teams don't have a winning percentage of less than .400 against top 25 teams. Elite teams don't have a winning percentage of less than .300 against top 10 teams. Elite teams don't go 3-8 in bowls.
But by all means ignore facts and stick with your fantasy. A&M had elite teams…. hahahahahahahahhaha. God Texags is priceless.
TxAg76 said:PanzerAggie06 said:Why is it a reach?TxAg76 said:CoachLB said:
The lack of football knowledge on here sometimes shocks me. Elko will win a championship here. The guy has been successful everywhere. He took over a mess of a program. Elko is not lazy. He does not need fan pressure. He will put pressure on himself. He is getting rid of the players who won't get with the program. And our fans whine because "I liked that guy." The football stupid sip fans said the same things about Sark after his first two seasons. I am not "pumping sunshine" Elko is going to get A&M there. It may cost you your favorite player but he will and is getting guys in here that will do the work it takes. Losing Moss, Owens etc hurt us late. Weigman going crazy hurt. But like I said Elko is getting the right guys in here. All this doom and gloom after year one shows just as much craziness as the sips wanting Sark fired after year one. Don't be sip-like. You have to build a championship program. Saban was on the hot seat after one season at Alabama. If A&M is not a 10 win playoff contender next season I will comeback and say I was wrong. But the football signs to me says I am not.
10 win playoff contender for next year is a reach.
But if the signs of legit continued improvement are still there, we need to keep on the Elko train.
Draft picks (or lack thereof) are what we've been missing for decades. Gotta be able to effectively
A) recruit the right ones
B) work to retain them, and
C) positively transform their bodies and their skill sets to garner legit NFL interest
If we're honest about it, we haven't had a coach do all 3 of those very well yet.
And best one we had got fired mostly for game day XO reasons, and an open dislike of the SEC move
Of the 12 coaches that made it to the playoff this year nine had a ten win season by their second year. Of the other three (Sark, Franklin, and Swinney) two of them reached the 10 win plateau by season three with the last (Dabo) reaching 10 wins by season four.
So, to say it's a reach... well, it really isn't. For a really good coach anyway. Is that Elko? Meh, my gut says no but time will tell.
Just because of schedule.
Of the games that matter, yeah we're playing the same teams….but where this year we were fortunate to get the upper tier at home, next year they'll all be on the road.
Already writing off next season because the schedule is too much for our 8 million a year coach? Wonder if the elite programs, the ones we want to emulate, just write off a season nine months before the first game?
"Never" is a strong word. We were on the cusp of doing something great in 2012 and 2020. It's not like we haven't been close before.
Our best year with Manziel we finished 3rd in the sec west we have never been a top tier team just stop
If you don't like the coach or the program, watch something else; Elko had a great year one, considering all of the transfers away from the program. You cannot judge a coach on one season (your post indicates this is an easy thing to do). Leading a college football team in the era of the transfer portal and NIL is way more complex than any of us know...
We've spent a boatload on guaranteed contracts for "can't miss" coaches. It's nobody's fault. The admin is trying to field a good team, but it hasn't worked out.
I think the program is cursed. I used to laugh at the idea. No more.
I think the program is cursed. I used to laugh at the idea. No more.
Zero about Elko's first year should produce confidence. His goofy salary is at least relatively modest unless he wins which I'm sure was the goal to help pay off Jimbo.AggieTrainer said:
The good news is John Sharp won't be making excuses for much longer.
As for Elko, it's anybody's guess. He's clearly a smart guy and knows how to coach defense, but his choice of coordinators going into year 1 was alarming. A bunch of eyes in the college football world were focused on his every move just waiting to celebrate failure, and he went with 2 guys who had a total of 5 years of coordinator experience between them. It doesn't really bolster my confidence when I see smart people do stupid things.
Sky's the limit I guess is the positive????
no he didn't no great year one would include going 0 fer in your last 4 games....In fact with the portal now its easier to turn programs aroundgrmetala said:
If you don't like the coach or the program, watch something else; Elko had a great year one, considering all of the transfers away from the program. You cannot judge a coach on one season (your post indicates this is an easy thing to do). Leading a college football team in the era of the transfer portal and NIL is way more complex than any of us know...
If we do ever win a National Championship my neighborhood will rue the day cause I'm gonna hang the biggest eff you Aggie flag I can find for 1 year
It's $70+M
No one is going to a school who's coach could be gone in 3 years
And stop comparing college football of today to how it was
Game has completely changed
We can not pretend to know what it is going to take to win going forward because this is uncharted territory
The one constant I see right now is coaching STABILITY
The teams that are in the playoffs this week have had the same coach for longer than 4-5 years
Yes there are some exception (luck and conference one plays in)
But I do think we have the right guy for this situation
Because we need a coach who is smart and has the support behind him to be innovative to figure this out
Going to take a few years
But this is what happens when you make a coaching change with budget restraints right in the dang middle of a huge change in college football
Relax……
And stop comparing college football of today to how it was
Game has completely changed
We can not pretend to know what it is going to take to win going forward because this is uncharted territory
The one constant I see right now is coaching STABILITY
The teams that are in the playoffs this week have had the same coach for longer than 4-5 years
Yes there are some exception (luck and conference one plays in)
But I do think we have the right guy for this situation
Because we need a coach who is smart and has the support behind him to be innovative to figure this out
Going to take a few years
But this is what happens when you make a coaching change with budget restraints right in the dang middle of a huge change in college football
Relax……
If they only cared about money, we'd be in the B1G.
Coaches making millions of dollars a year.
Nuts
Nuts
CoachLB said:no excuses. Those guys were in a bad program for years. You do not change guys who have not been held accountable for years in one offseason. If you judge a coach that takes over a messed up program after one year you would have fired Sark and Saban and a lot of other coaches who are now winning big. Would you have done that?Aggie Dad 26 said:CoachLB said:
The lack of football knowledge on here sometimes shocks me. Elko will win a championship here. The guy has been successful everywhere. He took over a mess of a program. Elko is not lazy. He does not need fan pressure. He will put pressure on himself. He is getting rid of the players who won't get with the program. And our fans whine because "I liked that guy." The football stupid sip fans said the same things about Sark after his first two seasons. I am not "pumping sunshine" Elko is going to get A&M there. It may cost you your favorite player but he will and is getting guys in here that will do the work it takes. Losing Moss, Owens etc hurt us late. Weigman going crazy hurt. But like I said Elko is getting the right guys in here. All this doom and gloom after year one shows just as much craziness as the sips wanting Sark fired after year one. Don't be sip-like. You have to build a championship program. Saban was on the hot seat after one season at Alabama. If A&M is not a 10 win playoff contender next season I will comeback and say I was wrong. But the football signs to me says I am not.
So much to take on with this take.
You mean the messy roster that had draft picks on defense? He's a former d-cord! Oh, and he arrived with a 5 star qb that had SEC experience and a 4-star QB.
Stop with the excuses
Likely yes if he answers honestly.
Because he has no idea what he's talking about.
PA24 said:
Coaches making millions of dollars a year.
Nuts
How many times do 100,000 people pay well over $100 each to come watch you work?
the most cool guy said:
I'm getting esoteric and going back to my undergrad philosophy classes at A&M with this, but I remember having a class-wide discussion/debate when we were going over systems theory about the philosophical proposition known as POSIWID.
It stands for "the purpose of a system is what it does." This is basically the lens through which I have viewed most things in life ever since, and I think it is pretty accurate.
If you're evaluating a system, and you want to know its purpose, just look at what it actually does. If the promoters of the system try to tell you that its purpose is to do something other than what it does, ignore them and look at what the system actually does in practice.
The Texas A&M athletic department, and more specifically our football program, consistently does only one thing exceptionally well: generate revenue for itself. As far as I am concerned, that is its purpose, not to win championships.
Now, is it within the realm of possibility that the purpose of the football program is, in fact, to win championships, but it has just been failing miserably to do that for the last 85 years? Maybe that's possible. But what is the likelihood that a system was created for the primary purpose of winning championships and failed to do so for 85 consecutive years? The far more likely explanation is that the people running our athletic department now and for the last 85 years view the football program first and foremost as a revenue generator and a branding and marketing supplement for the university, and actually winning games/championships is a distant second or third priority.
What is the solution? I don't know. But you won't convince me our football program's number one priority is winning a championship until we win one or at least play for one. It's a revenue generator, which is why mediocrity is tolerated as long as dollars keep coming in.
The cult like culture is the problem. Rather have a coach who "gets us" than hire someone who can actually win. Fat boy gets up there and runs his mouth arrogantly though. He's good at that
You can not decide anything after a year with a 1st year coach. BUT good coaches improve their teams as the season progresses not crash/burn.CoachLB said:
The lack of football knowledge on here sometimes shocks me. Elko will win a championship here.
I would have rather seen 3 early season losses then improvement by years end. What happened with the team imploding is all on the coaching staff.
ASU got better = good coaching
We got worse = bad coaching
It has nothing to do with the players. It has everything to do with the coaching.
My kids have been part of many sport teams. You can see who were the good and bad coaches with little to do with how many wins they had all year.
"A&M doesn't know to win"
That's exactly right
Elko was probably rushed to make coordinator hires last year
They failed and he probably wants to grab better but A&M won't let him
That's exactly right
Elko was probably rushed to make coordinator hires last year
They failed and he probably wants to grab better but A&M won't let him
So you're gonna pony up the cash to get the players and coaches here to make it happen, right?
Right?
Right?
DeBoer could go 6-6 and they wouldn't fire him after year 2. A coach with that contract isn't getting canned after 2 seasons.
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