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Is college football rigged against certain big schools?

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biglebowski
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For the case against the Aggies, we saw little to no holding calls against our great DL's. We often see calls overturned that would benefit us.

My argument would be to look at games of importance only.

One play as an example was an offside by Bisontis during our ball game. The ref threw his flag on the defense, the ref called it against USC and you could even see Marcel Reed in the background celebrating the call.m because he heard the conversation. But a head referee over turned the other official and called it against Bisontis. What am I supposed to thing about that.

Another example of a critical call was a PI call against our defense with a call that was clearly uncatchable. It was a drive extending penalty right before halftime I think.

Drive extending calls for opponents, while we get meaningless penalties.

But I saw Texas complain about non calls against Georgia and they were able to get officials suspended. Why can't we? They fine coaches for calling it out generally to keep things swept under the rug. Money talks.

I think the deck was rigged against Jimbo during the pandemic year. We missed the playoffs when we shouldn't have. Everyone knew it.

Once Jimbo put it together his effort as a coach stopped, and I blame him. It's a stacked deck.

As far as officiating goes here are the things to watch for.

For games that actually matter.
-when a penalty is called against you, will the tv affiliate (Disney on many cases) Will they show the replay so we can see what happened.
-non calls that should be flags. We don't even get to see these penalties because as far as we know the never existed. I'm going to point to holding calls (offensive and defensive). How many do you benefit from and how many are against you in meaningful parts of a game (drive extending drives.)
I would also point to pass interference calls (both ways)
And of course targeting. Too many objective things going on that I think if you're aware you can see a pattern.

My worry is what happens to the work ethic of a staff or players when they pick up on this. However if they're getting paid ridiculous amounts maybe they don't care. Maybe at that point it's get money and I'm happy. The problem with this is it's the fans and donors who get the bad end of the stick. How far can you push a fanbase before the money stops coming in?


Just some musings. Feel like these should be a huge point of discussion.
Pizza
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The fact that it's talked about across fanbases indicates that there is something there worth discussing.

What the truth really is, is anyone's guess.
Little Rock Ag
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There is undoubtedly a pecking order among the athletic programs, which is why A&M needs to make sure they try to buy a seat at any table of significance.
biglebowski
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Can it be bought? We have the money and resources and clearly it's not happening. So if it can't be bought we should ask why.
biglebowski
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If you can figure out which teams benefit the most you would need to see if there are a commonalities around such schools.
Ghost of Bisbee
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Tldr
biglebowski
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We must not be paying the right group of people.

But buying the right people to get a seat shouldn't be even possible. If that's the case it will corrupt the sport and turn people (who get it) away. Starting to lean that way.
Kellso
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biglebowski said:

Can it be bought? We have the money and resources and clearly it's not happening. So if it can't be bought we should ask why.
Do you?

The last time that Texas A&M was great in football was during the South West Conference....that was 30 years ago.

In todays world I'm not sure if Texas A&M has the resources to be anything other than pretty good.
Pepe SiIvia
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Can we not man? I've had a bad day and I really ****in hate the eagles, man.
biglebowski
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Yes A&M has the resources.
Keith70Chevelle
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It's not rigged against us as so many think. We are not even a blip in college football.
biglebowski
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Keith70Chevelle said:

It's not rigged against us as so many think. We are not even a blip in college football.


Can't say that definitively. You don't know. No one does, that's the point.
Ghost of Bisbee
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Tldr
Pizza
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biglebowski said:

If you can figure out which teams benefit the most you would need to see if there are a commonalities around such schools.


I agree, but I just don't want to invest the time to collect data, and observe trends.

At least not for that particular topic. Even if there were some pretty damning trends that emerged showing a high probability that some schools were being propped up due to potential income they can bring (or some other reason), proving it would be nearly impossible.
Blinnaggie2002
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You have to win to be able to earn that right. We just don't win and are the laughing stock of college football with all the money we have and spend.
Kansas Kid
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Can someone show me a football fanbase that doesn't think the officials are against their team?

Yes, even Bama fans say the refs suck and are trying to screw them.

https://athlonsports.com/college/alabama-crimson-tide/alabama-crimson-tide-officials-called-for-firing-oklahoma-sooners
NorthTexasAg22
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Just like basketball where the superstars get the calls…the re-occurring winners get the benefit of the doubt. If we were ever to string together a couple of good season, we would get the same treatment. However, our last conference championship was in 98…
FJB
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Need more than money to rig this. Think bigger.
Fatboy Thaddeus
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Trigon Jin said:

The fact that it's talked about across fanbases indicates that there is something there worth discussing.
This. There's definitely patterns to be observed, as OP spells out.

You have to ask yourself why there are no systems in place for assessing whether or not this is the case. As much money as there is flying around in CFB, the modest amount it would take to fund a competent watchdog organization would be a rounding error.
VikingNik
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The refs absolutely gave USC a touchdown drive against us. They saw 24-7 and were worried about channels changing or fans going to bed.
Fatboy Thaddeus
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FJB said:

Need more than money to rig this. Think bigger.
Yeah I agree with this. I think that focusing on coaching, talent, facilities, and even low-level media dynamics (e.g. swings in recruit rankings based on which schools they prefer) -- the "squares' game" -- is just a small piece of the pie.

I think we need to be looking way outside the "square" box here, not only to politics, but also even to domains where the lines of legality are politely blurred. Do you think we could bring refs to heel if we had a vault full of kompromat on every single individual, as well as their whole chain of command?
Showstopper
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The "pattern" is that fans are inherently delusional and think the refs are out to get them.

(Everyone except us is delusional, of course; our paranoia is obviously factual and real, and most likely a conspiracy against us by the Illuminati.)
oldord
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Any organization when it becomes too successful and too old, will begin to ossify in its behavior protecting the status quo.

Colllege football is the same.

Animal
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Peach Bowl no call on t.u. for targeting should answer your question. There is literally no other explanation.
He is Ass My Dude
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Once Jimbo ran his mouth about Saban, it became a stacked deck.

FIFY
TexAggie1999
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biglebowski said:

For the case against the Aggies, we saw little to no holding calls against our great DL's. We often see calls overturned that would benefit us.

My argument would be to look at games of importance only.

One play as an example was an offside by Bisontis during our ball game. The ref threw his flag on the defense, the ref called it against USC and you could even see Marcel Reed in the background celebrating the call.m because he heard the conversation. But a head referee over turned the other official and called it against Bisontis. What am I supposed to thing about that.

Another example of a critical call was a PI call against our defense with a call that was clearly uncatchable. It was a drive extending penalty right before halftime I think.

Drive extending calls for opponents, while we get meaningless penalties.

But I saw Texas complain about non calls against Georgia and they were able to get officials suspended. Why can't we? They fine coaches for calling it out generally to keep things swept under the rug. Money talks.

I think the deck was rigged against Jimbo during the pandemic year. We missed the playoffs when we shouldn't have. Everyone knew it.

Once Jimbo put it together his effort as a coach stopped, and I blame him. It's a stacked deck.

As far as officiating goes here are the things to watch for.

For games that actually matter.
-when a penalty is called against you, will the tv affiliate (Disney on many cases) Will they show the replay so we can see what happened.
-non calls that should be flags. We don't even get to see these penalties because as far as we know the never existed. I'm going to point to holding calls (offensive and defensive). How many do you benefit from and how many are against you in meaningful parts of a game (drive extending drives.)
I would also point to pass interference calls (both ways)
And of course targeting. Too many objective things going on that I think if you're aware you can see a pattern.

My worry is what happens to the work ethic of a staff or players when they pick up on this. However if they're getting paid ridiculous amounts maybe they don't care. Maybe at that point it's get money and I'm happy. The problem with this is it's the fans and donors who get the bad end of the stick. How far can you push a fanbase before the money stops coming in?


Just some musings. Feel like these should be a huge point of discussion.
I think it is just that every fanbase thinks the referees are against them. I think it is just natural to be biased for your team and think you are getting bad calls. There definitely are bad calls, but I think they even out over time. It isn't just the Aggies. We may be one of the bigger complainers, but we are not alone. Part of why we complain more than the majority of fanbases is likely because we have a massive fan site like Texags which is very biased and our radio announcers are extremely biased which rubs off on the fanbase.
Joes
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Kansas Kid said:

Can someone show me a football fanbase that doesn't think the officials are against their team?

Yes, even Bama fans say the refs suck and are trying to screw them.

https://athlonsports.com/college/alabama-crimson-tide/alabama-crimson-tide-officials-called-for-firing-oklahoma-sooners



It's not just officials, as far as fans are concerned at every forum the networks and announcers and analysts and every organizational body is out to get them. It seems obvious most fans here never go to other fan forums because EVERY one will tell you all the calls always go against them and the announcers hate them, etc.
TyperWoods
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It's rigged.
Aggie Dad 26
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Remove Vegas and all other forms of betting and i guarantee you many outcomes in sporting events turn out differently.

The bigger the event, the more money is involved

Imagine being a multi millionaire and putting 6 or 7 figures on a game. Now imagine paying someone who can alter the outcome of said event so that you can make... 5-10 million
classof92
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Well said.
halfastros81
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I think it's rigged in favor of a handful of schools but the games have to be close enough for it to be noticed . It's reserved for times of need .

Does gambling play a role…. ? I wouldn't rule it out.
AustinAg2K
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I don't believe it's rigged against specific schools. I do think certain schools get calls because it increases viewership. Texas, Bama, Ohio State, etc. I don't there's any written rule. I just think it's encouraged to ensure the most marketable teams are in the biggest games. I also think we do get an advantage when we play a smaller school. If we were to play Baylor, we'd get more calls.
Philip J Fry
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It's like watching the WWF. They definitely rig it as much as they can get away with and then some
Stinky T
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I don't know if it is rigged, but I have only seen one instance, in my lifetime, where officials called a penalty, marked off the yardage, signaled the next play to begin, had to stop that play due to fans throwing debris on the field, then changed the original call. In a game where I did not have a dog in the fight, and I still can't believe it happened.

Until someone can explain how that happens, then I will just say I have "concerns" about the legitimacy of college football officiating.
He is Ass My Dude
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All you have to do is watch the last 3 min of the Uof H tu game last year. Then come back and tell everyone here that games are not rigged.

That one in particular was 110% rigged.
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