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Kam Dewberry was actually the lowest rated guy on that OL last year according to PFF. He and Shanahan of all 10 that played a enough snaps to quality were the worst 2.

And it wasn't a "rough" OL. It was probably somewhere around 6-7 range in the 16 team SEC. For reference, I believe it was rated 13 out of 14 in 2023. With the 7 guys they return, I could see it being in the 3-5 range realistically in 2025. Could be higher, but to me, a reasonable prediction is somewhere around the 4th or 5th best OL in the sec.

Cushing taking that unit from 13/14 to about 6/7 out of 16 is plenty of reason for optimism for the unit next year. I expect another jump. The question is, is it in the 5-6 range? Or the top 3-4 range?
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I agree. Our OL made a HUGE turnaround. What I did not expect at all was for our defense to absolutely sh** the bed down the stretch. Everyone assumed that Elko would have that side of the ball locked down. It's very concerning considering we seem to be focusing on offense and we are losing the strength of a very mediocre defense. We have a lot of holes to fill next year by the looks of the unit who stunk it up in Vegas. If that was their audition they failed pretty badly.
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I don't get how anyone that watched us play say the OL was rough. It had rough moments but it was a decent OL and lightyears ahead of last year's OL.

And I agree they should be better next year we just don't know how much better. Our offense is looking really good for next year.

Our offense may be the strength of the team next year and carrying our defense. Although I do think Elko has a plan for the defense and I trust him to execute it, I still need to see it come to fruition.
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rootube said:

I agree. Our OL made a HUGE turnaround. What I did not expect at all was for our defense to absolutely sh** the bed down the stretch. Everyone assumed that Elko would have that side of the ball locked down. It's very concerning considering we seem to be focusing on offense and we are losing the strength of a very mediocre defense. We have a lot of holes to fill next year by the looks of the unit who stunk it up in Vegas. If that was their audition they failed pretty badly.


Not really as bad as you make it out. The starting DL looked good early they just ran out of steam with limited backups. We had 2 CBs out and a starting LB.

We still need 1 or 2 DT and figure out who gives us the best chance to win at safety but I like our CB/NB situation going into next year and our LB are not bad.
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vander54 said:

rootube said:

I agree. Our OL made a HUGE turnaround. What I did not expect at all was for our defense to absolutely sh** the bed down the stretch. Everyone assumed that Elko would have that side of the ball locked down. It's very concerning considering we seem to be focusing on offense and we are losing the strength of a very mediocre defense. We have a lot of holes to fill next year by the looks of the unit who stunk it up in Vegas. If that was their audition they failed pretty badly.


Not really as bad as you make it out. The starting DL looked good early they just ran out of steam with limited backups. We had 2 CBs out and a starting LB.

We still need 1 or 2 DT and figure out who gives us the best chance to win at safety but I like our CB/NB situation going into next year.


Wrong. We had highly rated players on our defense this year but after the Florida game they pretty much got pushed around. You can't count recruiting rankings and measure how good you will be. If anyone should understand the truth of this it's us.
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rootube said:

vander54 said:

rootube said:

I agree. Our OL made a HUGE turnaround. What I did not expect at all was for our defense to absolutely sh** the bed down the stretch. Everyone assumed that Elko would have that side of the ball locked down. It's very concerning considering we seem to be focusing on offense and we are losing the strength of a very mediocre defense. We have a lot of holes to fill next year by the looks of the unit who stunk it up in Vegas. If that was their audition they failed pretty badly.


Not really as bad as you make it out. The starting DL looked good early they just ran out of steam with limited backups. We had 2 CBs out and a starting LB.

We still need 1 or 2 DT and figure out who gives us the best chance to win at safety but I like our CB/NB situation going into next year.


Wrong. We had highly rated players on our defense this year but after the Florida game they pretty much got pushed around. You can't count recruiting rankings and measure how good you will be. If anyone should understand the truth of this it's us.


I'm not counting recruiting rankings I'm talking about the bowl game and next year.

Howell, Regis, and even Hicks played well. They will be our starters on the DL next year. Searcy will probably be the other DE. Lee will be a CB with Thomas, Chappell and Humphrey competing for the other CB and NB position.
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Also don't have OC with the creativity to run the ball 1 yard up the middle.
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Ag1188 said:

his Freshman year

Man, this guy looks like a monster that wants it. That's what we need. The problem is that if you watch the OL instead of the WR we picked up, the QB has protection and can beam in on the WR. We don't have this.

In our offensive scheme, it'll be hard as hell for a WR to stay beamed in with an OL that can't protect the quarterback. Timing is off, and passes get thrown behind you or overthrown, taking the game away from the WR's talent.

Guess what this does during the season:

a. Confidence of the WR is diminished
b. The motivation of the WR is reduced
c. The effort of the WR is dramatically reduced (in his mind, he's either getting a pass that will blow him up or he knows the pass isn't thrown to where he can catch and run).

Then we're all asking what happened. I hope I'm wrong, but I can see the writing on the wall. Texas A&M has a huge problem with maintaining chemistry with players. If ONE player is off on his assignment (OL, TE, RB, etc.), the entire play is fragmented.

It's a reoccurring issue at this school's football program due to a coaching problem. Football is predicated on synchronization, which is exactly why this team sport is unique from other sports. With all that said, I'm happy we landed this phenomenal player, but I can see what is about to happen next season with this offense. If this guy's "CATCH RADIUS" is superior, then it can be made up for the other deficiencies that can't be fixed.
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vander54 said:

rootube said:

vander54 said:

rootube said:

I agree. Our OL made a HUGE turnaround. What I did not expect at all was for our defense to absolutely sh** the bed down the stretch. Everyone assumed that Elko would have that side of the ball locked down. It's very concerning considering we seem to be focusing on offense and we are losing the strength of a very mediocre defense. We have a lot of holes to fill next year by the looks of the unit who stunk it up in Vegas. If that was their audition they failed pretty badly.


Not really as bad as you make it out. The starting DL looked good early they just ran out of steam with limited backups. We had 2 CBs out and a starting LB.

We still need 1 or 2 DT and figure out who gives us the best chance to win at safety but I like our CB/NB situation going into next year.


Wrong. We had highly rated players on our defense this year but after the Florida game they pretty much got pushed around. You can't count recruiting rankings and measure how good you will be. If anyone should understand the truth of this it's us.


I'm not counting recruiting rankings I'm talking about the bowl game and next year.

Howell, Regis, and even Hicks played well. They will be our starters on the DL next year. Searcy will probably be the other DE. Lee will be a CB with Thomas, Chappell and Humphrey competing for the other CB and NB position.


Our defense was supposed to be the strength of our team. They never lived up to that billing.

OK I'll follow your line of reasoning. Regis and Howell played well this year. Fine. These guys played on a very average defense this year. We lose the Shemars and Scourton. Easily the highest rated players on our team. Who do we replace them with that makes you think we will jump from average to elite? I was hoping to see some guys step up in Vegas. I didn't see it. The SEC is a gauntlet. We have a more difficult schedule next year and if anything I see our competition improving.
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Our OL wasn't that bad. This is a false narrative just like Reed sucked.
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rootube said:

vander54 said:

rootube said:

vander54 said:

rootube said:

I agree. Our OL made a HUGE turnaround. What I did not expect at all was for our defense to absolutely sh** the bed down the stretch. Everyone assumed that Elko would have that side of the ball locked down. It's very concerning considering we seem to be focusing on offense and we are losing the strength of a very mediocre defense. We have a lot of holes to fill next year by the looks of the unit who stunk it up in Vegas. If that was their audition they failed pretty badly.


Not really as bad as you make it out. The starting DL looked good early they just ran out of steam with limited backups. We had 2 CBs out and a starting LB.

We still need 1 or 2 DT and figure out who gives us the best chance to win at safety but I like our CB/NB situation going into next year.


Wrong. We had highly rated players on our defense this year but after the Florida game they pretty much got pushed around. You can't count recruiting rankings and measure how good you will be. If anyone should understand the truth of this it's us.


I'm not counting recruiting rankings I'm talking about the bowl game and next year.

Howell, Regis, and even Hicks played well. They will be our starters on the DL next year. Searcy will probably be the other DE. Lee will be a CB with Thomas, Chappell and Humphrey competing for the other CB and NB position.


Our defense was supposed to be the strength of our team. They never lived up to that billing.

OK I'll follow your line of reasoning. Regis and Howell played well this year. Fine. These guys played on a very average defense this year. We lose the Shemars and Scourton. Easily the highest rated players on our team. Who do we replace them with that makes you think we will jump from average to elite? I was hoping to see some guys step up in Vegas. I didn't see it. The SEC is a gauntlet. We have a more difficult schedule next year and if anything I see our competition improving.


I never said elite and I've always said our defense is what worries me about next year. What I am saying is

Howell definitely stepped up and played great along the line. Regis played great all year. Our CB that played in Vegas won't be our starters next year. Scooby was out at LB and he will be back next year. As I originally said our DL played well early but struggled as the game went on due to lack of depth.

We still lack depth inside and need answers at safety but our defense played well for 2.5 quarters until stamina became an issue and our flawed secondary was exposed.

Also our schedule will not be that much more difficult. And which of our competition is improving?

Auburn and LSU are the only one active in the portal and LSU didn't have a talent issue last year.
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LB12Diamond said:

John317 said:

Well, that's great. But, you still don't have someone who can throw them the ball accurately…

Reed for a Redshirt freshman has shown great leadership. Great interviews after tough losses.
That's hilarious! I do like Reed, but even listing that he has "Great interviews after tough losses" is defeatist at its core. We don't need a reporter asking our coach if the quarterback is ready, and the reply is, "Yes, he's ready to give a great interview in case of a tough loss…
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Bill Superman said:

John317 said:

Well, that's great. But, you still don't have someone who can throw them the ball accurately…
You outed yourself by saying "you".
Ok, "we." BTW, I've watched every qb here since 1961. I've got some creds my man…
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John317 said:

LB12Diamond said:

John317 said:

Well, that's great. But, you still don't have someone who can throw them the ball accurately…

Reed for a Redshirt freshman has shown great leadership. Great interviews after tough losses.
That's hilarious! I do like Reed, but even listing that he has "Great interviews after tough losses" is defeatist at its core. We don't need a reporter asking our coach if the quarterback is ready, and the reply is, "Yes, he's ready to give a great interview in case of a tough loss…


Come on. I'm as worried as anyone about the prospects of our team next year but Reed was one of the few bright spots for us this year. I feel very good about him having a great year next year. You also have to give Elko credit for going out and addressing our most pressing needs on offense. Now defense is another story. I don't know how we are going to get better on that side as quickly as we need to.
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stop being so paranoid superman.
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John317 said:

LB12Diamond said:

John317 said:

Well, that's great. But, you still don't have someone who can throw them the ball accurately…

Reed for a Redshirt freshman has shown great leadership. Great interviews after tough losses.
That's hilarious! I do like Reed, but even listing that he has "Great interviews after tough losses" is defeatist at its core. We don't need a reporter asking our coach if the quarterback is ready, and the reply is, "Yes, he's ready to give a great interview in case of a tough loss…


This response by you tells me all I need to know that you know very little. You can tell tons about a player on how they interview after a loss. Many are not even able to do it. Some do it and it is a total waste of time. They just mumble things and state ya know. If you are not aware but leadership and intelligence are great attributes for QBs. Some of the best to ever play had both.
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yes, his interviews are getting better after each loss.
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vander54 said:

rootube said:

vander54 said:

rootube said:

vander54 said:

rootube said:

I agree. Our OL made a HUGE turnaround. What I did not expect at all was for our defense to absolutely sh** the bed down the stretch. Everyone assumed that Elko would have that side of the ball locked down. It's very concerning considering we seem to be focusing on offense and we are losing the strength of a very mediocre defense. We have a lot of holes to fill next year by the looks of the unit who stunk it up in Vegas. If that was their audition they failed pretty badly.


Not really as bad as you make it out. The starting DL looked good early they just ran out of steam with limited backups. We had 2 CBs out and a starting LB.

We still need 1 or 2 DT and figure out who gives us the best chance to win at safety but I like our CB/NB situation going into next year.


Wrong. We had highly rated players on our defense this year but after the Florida game they pretty much got pushed around. You can't count recruiting rankings and measure how good you will be. If anyone should understand the truth of this it's us.


I'm not counting recruiting rankings I'm talking about the bowl game and next year.

Howell, Regis, and even Hicks played well. They will be our starters on the DL next year. Searcy will probably be the other DE. Lee will be a CB with Thomas, Chappell and Humphrey competing for the other CB and NB position.


Our defense was supposed to be the strength of our team. They never lived up to that billing.

OK I'll follow your line of reasoning. Regis and Howell played well this year. Fine. These guys played on a very average defense this year. We lose the Shemars and Scourton. Easily the highest rated players on our team. Who do we replace them with that makes you think we will jump from average to elite? I was hoping to see some guys step up in Vegas. I didn't see it. The SEC is a gauntlet. We have a more difficult schedule next year and if anything I see our competition improving.


I never said elite and I've always said our defense is what worries me about next year. What I am saying is

Howell definitely stepped up and played great along the line. Regis played great all year. Our CB that played in Vegas won't be our starters next year. Scooby was out at LB and he will be back next year. As I originally said our DL played well early but struggled as the game went on due to lack of depth.

We still lack depth inside and need answers at safety but our defense played well for 2.5 quarters until stamina became an issue and our flawed secondary was exposed.

Also our schedule will not be that much more difficult. And which of our competition is improving?

Auburn and LSU are the only one active in the portal and LSU didn't have a talent issue last year.


What you are missing is that on paper we didn't have a talent issue this year. Next year on paper we have a less talented roster and we have one of the toughest schedules in the country. Maybe we make a huge jump from year one to year two. The amount of time we had to prepare for our bowl game vs the results on the field is very discouraging. I could easily see LSU, Arky, UF and Mizzou swinging in the other direction. If you think people are freaking out now wait till we post a 5-7 win season in year two.
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rootube said:

vander54 said:

rootube said:

vander54 said:

rootube said:

vander54 said:

rootube said:

I agree. Our OL made a HUGE turnaround. What I did not expect at all was for our defense to absolutely sh** the bed down the stretch. Everyone assumed that Elko would have that side of the ball locked down. It's very concerning considering we seem to be focusing on offense and we are losing the strength of a very mediocre defense. We have a lot of holes to fill next year by the looks of the unit who stunk it up in Vegas. If that was their audition they failed pretty badly.


Not really as bad as you make it out. The starting DL looked good early they just ran out of steam with limited backups. We had 2 CBs out and a starting LB.

We still need 1 or 2 DT and figure out who gives us the best chance to win at safety but I like our CB/NB situation going into next year.


Wrong. We had highly rated players on our defense this year but after the Florida game they pretty much got pushed around. You can't count recruiting rankings and measure how good you will be. If anyone should understand the truth of this it's us.


I'm not counting recruiting rankings I'm talking about the bowl game and next year.

Howell, Regis, and even Hicks played well. They will be our starters on the DL next year. Searcy will probably be the other DE. Lee will be a CB with Thomas, Chappell and Humphrey competing for the other CB and NB position.


Our defense was supposed to be the strength of our team. They never lived up to that billing.

OK I'll follow your line of reasoning. Regis and Howell played well this year. Fine. These guys played on a very average defense this year. We lose the Shemars and Scourton. Easily the highest rated players on our team. Who do we replace them with that makes you think we will jump from average to elite? I was hoping to see some guys step up in Vegas. I didn't see it. The SEC is a gauntlet. We have a more difficult schedule next year and if anything I see our competition improving.


I never said elite and I've always said our defense is what worries me about next year. What I am saying is

Howell definitely stepped up and played great along the line. Regis played great all year. Our CB that played in Vegas won't be our starters next year. Scooby was out at LB and he will be back next year. As I originally said our DL played well early but struggled as the game went on due to lack of depth.

We still lack depth inside and need answers at safety but our defense played well for 2.5 quarters until stamina became an issue and our flawed secondary was exposed.

Also our schedule will not be that much more difficult. And which of our competition is improving?

Auburn and LSU are the only one active in the portal and LSU didn't have a talent issue last year.


What you are missing is that on paper we didn't have a talent issue this year. Next year on paper we have a less talented roster and we have one of the toughest schedules in the country. Maybe we make a huge jump from year one to year two. The amount of time we had to prepare for our bowl game vs the results on the field is very discouraging. I could easily see LSU, Arky, UF and Mizzou swinging in the other direction. If you think people are freaking out now wait till we post a 5-7 win season in year two.


Missouri won't be better. Florida may be better but have you seen what's going on at Arky? They lost a lot in the portal.

Also on paper the only position group that eill be weaker is DL but they weren't exactly great for us. I don't think we will see a big drop off if any at DL IF we land at least a solid DT from the portal. The issue will be safeties and if the new DBs are impactful.
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If everyone here agrees, I am most likely wrong with the OL comment. I could be giving too much credit to Reed's legs helping the Oline out.

Outside of this season, I don't know if I have ever watched our team fail so many times on trying to convert 4th and 1 or 3rd and 1. Maybe it was poor schemes, but I wasn't widely impressed with about ability to protect the pocket or create holes for our RBs.

Either way, I am very happy with the WR pull that we have. I just want to see it work on the field and hope we continue to win in the trenches. We have the talent, it's just frustrating to not see it on the field.
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JPAggie2010 said:

If everyone here agrees, I am most likely wrong with the OL comment. I could be giving too much credit to Reed's legs helping the Oline out.

Outside of this season, I don't know if I have ever watched our team fail so many times on trying to convert 4th and 1 or 3rd and 1. Maybe it was poor schemes, but I wasn't widely impressed with about ability to protect the pocket or create holes for our RBs.

Either way, I am very happy with the WR pull that we have. I just want to see it work on the field and hope we continue to win in the trenches. We have the talent, it's just frustrating to not see it on the field.
Agreed on our 4th&1 and 3rd and short issues this year. It seems we actually did better when it was 3rd and 5 or so.

Our OL was much improved over the Addazio fiasco but still has a lot of work to do. It seems we went after blocking TE's to address this. And we should be that much better next year with the experience.

Would still like to see an OT portal addition but sounds like wishful thinking.
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Bill Superman said:

JPAggie2010 said:

If everyone here agrees, I am most likely wrong with the OL comment. I could be giving too much credit to Reed's legs helping the Oline out.

Outside of this season, I don't know if I have ever watched our team fail so many times on trying to convert 4th and 1 or 3rd and 1. Maybe it was poor schemes, but I wasn't widely impressed with about ability to protect the pocket or create holes for our RBs.

Either way, I am very happy with the WR pull that we have. I just want to see it work on the field and hope we continue to win in the trenches. We have the talent, it's just frustrating to not see it on the field.
Agreed on our 4th&1 and 3rd and short issues this year. It seems we actually did better when it was 3rd and 5 or so.

Our OL was much improved over the Addazio fiasco but still has a lot of work to do. It seems we went after blocking TE's to address this. And we should be that much better next year with the experience.

Would still like to see an OT portal addition but sounds like wishful thinking.


The issue is we rarely were in 4th and 1 or 3rd in 1 and when we were, most were against tu and South Carolina. Before Moss went down we were one of the best short yardage teams. And part of the issue against tu and South Carolina were the plays called.

But the most improved position group on our team was definitely our OL. They weren't perfect but there was a drastic improvement.
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ArkyAg99 said:

Justice Beaver said:

Ags2013 said:

Our offense is going to be a problem

Let's get the secondary right and we have a great team for 2025

The sky is not falling folks


One portal pickup and we're back to mainlining sunshine. Never change TexAgs.


You b**** about WR not getting separation and not being good enough, they go get 3 guys that make it a strength. Not good enough.

You b**** that the secondary sucks, they go add big pieces. Not good enough.

Never change TexAgs
Quarterback was our issue.
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Logos Stick said:

Zachary Klement said:

Justice Beaver said:

Ags2013 said:

Our offense is going to be a problem

Let's get the secondary right and we have a great team for 2025

The sky is not falling folks


One portal pickup and we're back to mainlining sunshine. Never change TexAgs.
Yup! Just one portal pickup. We didn't also add Micah Hudson and Jerome Myles. We also won't get Le'Veon Moss, Rueben Owens, and Amari Daniels back next year. We will definitely see the same offense we saw in the Las Vegas bowl next year!


The offense wasn't the issue imo. The D fell apart the last half of the season. We desperately need defensive help.
I don't know how you watch the tu game and come to that conclusion.
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You are all right.

We need help across the board. We are not good at any phase of the game, which is why we can only beat bad to mediocre teams.
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vander54 said:

Bill Superman said:

JPAggie2010 said:

If everyone here agrees, I am most likely wrong with the OL comment. I could be giving too much credit to Reed's legs helping the Oline out.

Outside of this season, I don't know if I have ever watched our team fail so many times on trying to convert 4th and 1 or 3rd and 1. Maybe it was poor schemes, but I wasn't widely impressed with about ability to protect the pocket or create holes for our RBs.

Either way, I am very happy with the WR pull that we have. I just want to see it work on the field and hope we continue to win in the trenches. We have the talent, it's just frustrating to not see it on the field.
Agreed on our 4th&1 and 3rd and short issues this year. It seems we actually did better when it was 3rd and 5 or so.

Our OL was much improved over the Addazio fiasco but still has a lot of work to do. It seems we went after blocking TE's to address this. And we should be that much better next year with the experience.

Would still like to see an OT portal addition but sounds like wishful thinking.


The issue is we rarely were in 4th and 1 or 3rd in 1 and when we were, most were against tu and South Carolina. Before Moss went down we were one of the best short yardage teams. And part of the issue against tu and South Carolina were the plays called.

But the most improved position group on our team was definitely our OL. They weren't perfect but there was a drastic improvement.
Yep, lack of a power back and woefully lame play calling against stout DLs were the bane of the 3rd and 1/4th and 1 plays. I mean, one of the plays against tu that failed miserably had a not so great at blocking TE going against their stud DE and we ran to that side. WTF?!?
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I think it is being very charitable to say our vaunted highly rated DLs "ran out of steam" instead of "ran out of motivation". We had decent backups too, so I just don't see that argument. That team "strength" now has a lot of depth issues. I hope I am as pleasantly surprised with their production next year as I was hugely disappointed with it last year.
 
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