tjburns said:

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Whose expectations? This team's performance this year lived up to the consensus expectations for it.

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I think expectations should be to win the games you are supposed to, lose only the games you're supposed to, and maybe pick up one win from the latter.

It's not 8-5 that's the issue, it's how the Aggies got to 8-5. Give us one more win in the final four games and a bowl performance that can't be characterized as an utter meltdown, and I think a lot more people would be looking forward to Year 2 under Elmo.

And I don't think expectations included such a horrible offensive performance against Texas and a pass defense that would have been better had no DBs been on the field in the bowl game.

Not a good argument. The level of talent on their rosters is on par for the conference they play in. Comments like these assume that these teams are playing with SEC talent against teams with far inferior talent and that just isn't true. It does not diminish their conference championships.

Just the facts!

Amigo, this won't happen in your lifetime, and if the team was somehow able to pull this off, it's their accomplishment and has nothing to do with whether you "supported the team" during hard times.

I hear ya on that. I think because of the names (South Carolina) and records (Florida) it's hard to reconcile how it compares. The data isn't perfect and I'd agree 2018 is pretty comparable.

Texas and ND this year are top 5 teams and compare to Bama and Clemson that year, possibly a step down but not much
South Carolina is as good as that LSU team if not better
Missouri is better than the Kentucky team that year
After that Florida is on par with MS St and Auburn was about the same (lost they year too)

whatthehey78 said:

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the program is nothing more than a nation wide joke. The truth hurts!!!!!!!!!!!

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It is possible to rationally discuss our program and coaches without using extremely negative terms like "nation wide joke."

whatthehey78 said:

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This program and its fanbase can make more excuses than the entire population inside the Texas prison system.
Personally, I don't want to hear anymore...either live up to expectations, or STFU!!! Otherwise, the program is nothing more than a nation wide joke. The truth hurts!!!!!!!!!!!

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"Have no expectations. Expectations are the breeding ground of disappointment and suffering."

We are not a nationwide joke. Get real.

Nobody knows who we are.

NorthTexasAg22 said:

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Since 2014 FBS State of Texas teams…
Baylor: 4 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
TCU: 4 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
SMU: 3 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
Houston: 2 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
Texas: 3 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
UTSA: 2 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship

Teams who don't have 10 win seasons and conference titles
Ags
TxTech
Rice
North Texas
Texas State
UTEP

These are facts and should be sobering to all. No matter what we've done, we've accomplished very little for the amount of investment put in.

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Ouch that one hurts

DCC80 said:

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tjburns said:

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Whose expectations? This team's performance this year lived up to the consensus expectations for it.

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I think expectations should be to win the games you are supposed to, lose only the games you're supposed to, and maybe pick up one win from the latter.

It's not 8-5 that's the issue, it's how the Aggies got to 8-5. Give us one more win in the final four games and a bowl performance that can't be characterized as an utter meltdown, and I think a lot more people would be looking forward to Year 2 under Elmo.

And I don't think expectations included such a horrible offensive performance against Texas and a pass defense that would have been better had no DBs been on the field in the bowl game.

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All true. And the fact that the Austinites pushed us all over the field on both LOS in our own home made it really tough to swallow.

Or D and ST made hero plays to give a chance to steal it, but their DL jailbreaked us twice inside the 1. To try and fail at LOS on 3/G at 1 sucked. Even if the play call was the right one, the fact the 4/g from 1 was an obliteration was even worse. Microcosm of game on both LOS.

They legitimately shut us out in our own crib. Gross.

LOS play has to be better in Y2. By a long shot.

AggieDub04 said:

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AggieSouth06 said:

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AggieDub04 said:

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AggieSouth06 said:

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I'm trying not to be a prisoner of the moment, but Jimbo and Sumlin never had a schedule this easy.

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You may want to check actual data before just spouting off what your opinion is.

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Lay it on me man. When was it easier?

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Every single year under Jimbo and Sumlin.

Here is A&M's SOS every year since joining the SEC

2012 - 11
2013 - 32
2014 - 15
2015 - 27
2016 - 38
2017 - 39
2018 - 14
2019 - 25
2020 - 12
2021 - 52
2022 - 25
2023 - 24
2024 - 6

That is not a typo. Florida is actually a really good team that had a brutal schedule (#3). Auburn is actually a team with a solid defense and an explosive offense that had a lot of inopportune turnovers. South Carolina was one garbage yellow flag from making the playoffs. Missouri, Florida, and LSU are a top 20 teams per FPI and top 25 per Sagarin. ND and Texas are playoff teams. Even USC is a top 20 FPI team.

A&M finished FPI at 16 and Sagarin at 19.

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Meh you can make a story for everyone. Usce was two changed plays away from 7-5 as well. Their luck probably evened out to the correct record.

Results matter more than formulas and the 3 7-6/5-7 teams you just called great. If they actually were the record world reflect it. The world can't just rank things on wasted talent which is pretty much what you did.

texag101 said:

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Jimbo4win said:

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pointer74 said:

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Well in fairness these are Jimbo's recruits
Their is hardly any talent

I think elko has a better eye for talent than Jimbo and I think it will get better by year 3

As for his coaching staff….. it's all this program can afford right now

I wouldn't look to deep into this bowl game
We were playing with nothing but backups…. Including the QB
This was more of a practice / scrimmage

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Elko may have a better eye for talent but how did he get LESS production from Scourton than Purdue?

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Scourton is a bad example. He literally stopped trying after he solidified his NFL draft status. That's on him, not Elko.

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So why didn't the staff put in someone who was going to play up to their abilities? What culture are they installing if they didn't do that?

AggieSouth06 said:

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I'm trying not to be a prisoner of the moment, but Jimbo and Sumlin never had a schedule this easy.

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Sumlin had the most talented player/roster we've ever had and Jimbo had plenty of time to prove himself. Both failed.

What happened after the LSU game, to cause the defense to collapse so blatantly? Like night and day after that game.

With NIL $$ in your pocket, you are not as hungry! When your agent tells you not to get hurt
as the NFL is taking you for big $$$, you are basically done.

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pointer74 said:

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I think elko has a better eye for talent than Jimbo and I think it will get better by year 3

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I'm sorry but this is what we've been hearing for decades now. Many of us don't believe it any more. We are Texas 8&5.

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Right. And who cares how good your eye is if you can't get the guys you have an eye on? Elko was widely known as the worst recruiter on Jimbo's staff.

The Lost said:

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AggieDub04 said:

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AggieSouth06 said:

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AggieDub04 said:

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AggieSouth06 said:

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I'm trying not to be a prisoner of the moment, but Jimbo and Sumlin never had a schedule this easy.

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You may want to check actual data before just spouting off what your opinion is.

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Lay it on me man. When was it easier?

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Every single year under Jimbo and Sumlin.

Here is A&M's SOS every year since joining the SEC

2012 - 11
2013 - 32
2014 - 15
2015 - 27
2016 - 38
2017 - 39
2018 - 14
2019 - 25
2020 - 12
2021 - 52
2022 - 25
2023 - 24
2024 - 6

That is not a typo. Florida is actually a really good team that had a brutal schedule (#3). Auburn is actually a team with a solid defense and an explosive offense that had a lot of inopportune turnovers. South Carolina was one garbage yellow flag from making the playoffs. Missouri, Florida, and LSU are a top 20 teams per FPI and top 25 per Sagarin. ND and Texas are playoff teams. Even USC is a top 20 FPI team.

A&M finished FPI at 16 and Sagarin at 19.

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Meh you can make a story for everyone. Usce was two changed plays away from 7-5 as well. Their luck probably evened out to the correct record.

Results matter more than formulas and the 3 7-6/5-7 teams you just called great. If they actually were the record world reflect it. The world can't just rank things on wasted talent which is pretty much what you did.

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If you had actually considered what I wrote you would realize I didn't rank things on wasted talent, so let me clear up a few things.

USC made the play to beat LSU. It was an awful flag that never should have happened. They made plays to go 10-2. There was no luck.

I never called anyone great. That word doesn't show up once. To imply I called any of those teams great is hyperbolic. A&M played two great teams this year and several really good ones.

Results matter more than formulas - I guess you think Indiana and SMU are better than Alabama and Ole Miss then. Their results were a solid two games better than those teams and they made the playoff so they must be better, right?

AggieSouth06 said:

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Dark_Knight said:

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NorthTexasAg22 said:

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Since 2014 FBS State of Texas teams…
Baylor: 4 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
TCU: 4 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
SMU: 3 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
Houston: 2 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
Texas: 3 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
UTSA: 2 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship

Teams who don't have 10 win seasons and conference titles
Ags
TxTech
Rice
North Texas
Texas State
UTEP

These are facts and should be sobering to all. No matter what we've done, we've accomplished very little for the amount of investment put in.

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Lol Baylol, tcu, smu, Houston, tu, and utsa played in very soft conferences. This isn't a great comparison. Yes, I get the point of it and it's sad, but let's not compare our seasons. Big 12 from 2014 until about 2021 was just awful. UTSA, smu, and Houston weren't even in power conferences.

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Nothing personal but I hate this perspective. "We're bad in a SOLID conference guys. That counts for something!" I would rather win the ACC or Big 12 than have a season like this one, 100 times out of 100. Maybe I'm in the minority idk.

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We are. At some point a large % of our fanbase decided (whether consciously or unconsciously) to pound our collective chest about our conference rather than our team. The reasons for this are obvious, but it's still extremely pathetic.

NorthTexasAg22 said:

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Since 2014 FBS State of Texas teams…
Baylor: 4 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
TCU: 4 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
SMU: 3 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
Houston: 2 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
Texas: 3 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
UTSA: 2 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship

Teams who don't have 10 win seasons and conference titles
Ags
TxTech
Rice
North Texas
Texas State
UTEP

These are facts and should be sobering to all. No matter what we've done, we've accomplished very little for the amount of investment put in.

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Wow those are sobering numbers .

cs69ag said:

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With NIL $$ in your pocket, you are not as hungry! When your agent tells you not to get hurt
as the NFL is taking you for big $$$, you are basically done.

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Then we should have an advantage over all the other SEC teams because we have the least NFL draftees.

GigEmReggie said:

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AggieSouth06 said:

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Dark_Knight said:

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NorthTexasAg22 said:

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Since 2014 FBS State of Texas teams…
Baylor: 4 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
TCU: 4 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
SMU: 3 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
Houston: 2 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
Texas: 3 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship
UTSA: 2 10 win seasons, has won a conference championship

Teams who don't have 10 win seasons and conference titles
Ags
TxTech
Rice
North Texas
Texas State
UTEP

These are facts and should be sobering to all. No matter what we've done, we've accomplished very little for the amount of investment put in.

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Lol Baylol, tcu, smu, Houston, tu, and utsa played in very soft conferences. This isn't a great comparison. Yes, I get the point of it and it's sad, but let's not compare our seasons. Big 12 from 2014 until about 2021 was just awful. UTSA, smu, and Houston weren't even in power conferences.

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Nothing personal but I hate this perspective. "We're bad in a SOLID conference guys. That counts for something!" I would rather win the ACC or Big 12 than have a season like this one, 100 times out of 100. Maybe I'm in the minority idk.

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We are. At some point a large % of our fanbase decided (whether consciously or unconsciously) to pound our collective chest about our conference rather than our team. The reasons for this are obvious, but it's still extremely pathetic.

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TexAgs even made a documentary about how the loss to texas was a good thing and we got the last laugh by joining the SEC and hiring Kevin Sumlin.

OUCH!

Farmer_J said:

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cs69ag said:

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With NIL $$ in your pocket, you are not as hungry! When your agent tells you not to get hurt
as the NFL is taking you for big $$$, you are basically done.

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Then we should have an advantage over all the other SEC teams because we have the least NFL draftees.

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LMAO. Underrated post.

I love all the circular arguments. I think we're really getting somewhere.

Follower since '95. We're just not good.

whatthehey78 said:

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This program and its fanbase can make more excuses than the entire population inside the Texas prison system.
Personally, I don't want to hear anymore...either live up to expectations, or STFU!!! Otherwise, the program is nothing more than a nation wide joke. The truth hurts!!!!!!!!!!!

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So what you're saying is you're only a fan if the team meets your expectations.