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PanzerAggie06
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In reply to 91AggieLawyer • 2:51a, 12/28/24
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It's not a losers mindset but it's a cheap one.

I find it rather low brow to use the MSC, and what it stands for, to insinuate that people are somehow not being "good Ags" for calling out the football program for being stuck in a perpetual state of suckage. Don't use those who made the ultimate sacrifice as a prop for scoring points on a football message board.
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 2:57a, 12/28/24
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Our culture is perfectly encapsulated in our lovefest for RC. Here's a guy who went 3-8 in bowls, was under .400 against top 25 teams and under .300 agains top 10 teams. Yet because he supposedly has an "amazing" overall record, built upon the corpse of the SWC, we treat him like a god. Most programs, when they fire a coach, run him out of town. Nope, not Aggies. We let him hang out for 20+ years, give him a nice office, secretary, big salary and a fancy title. Then to top it off we allow him to play a role in bringing in two of his boys to replace the guy we replaced him with. The most **** move ever.

And all because he "gets" A&M and is a good ol' country boy that has a folksy personality. A guy whose entire career can be summed up with his famous quote thrown out after another one of his inexplicable loses, "well, half the teams lose every Saturday." That's the guy we fawn over. That's the perfect example of why our culture is a f'ing joke.


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3:09a, 12/28/24
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I miss the days when it was just football and fun to watch.

I mean, I'd rather have our 8 MoH than anything else and superior academics, but winning some conference championships and a few natty here and there would be great. There's no reason why we shouldn't be closer in athletics to tu, I think our administration and BOR get in the way ultimately.
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4:26a, 12/28/24
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UT simply requires more from their staff and school. Look no further than academics. They want UT to be elite. They've made it more selective. We've made ourselves an institution that "educates all Texans" and less selective. Do you not see the same mindset in how our athletics are run?

We "sharpened iron" in the SEC for over a decade. UT comes in here and beats us in our $500MM home field and played for the SEC championship in their first year. The jokes just write themselves. I just laugh at it all now because if I don't laugh at our pitifulness I'd just get really angry.
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5:41a, 12/28/24
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it's definitely the wussification of the yell leaders fault
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5:46a, 12/28/24
Yeah it was all the outside factors that led to the #1 recruiting class of all time to be an epic failure. It was the outside factors that led to us losing to App State. It was the outside factors that led to this year's collapse.

This thread is pathetic.
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In reply to jaxisback • 6:21a, 12/28/24
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jaxisback said:
Some of you need to spend some time walking through the MSC and reflect a bit on what really matters.

Any Aggie that would trade what Texas A&M is for anything else really isn't an Aggie at all.

This is minor league pro football. Someday we might reach the top of the mountain or maybe not. Enjoy it for what it is, in the end it's of little importance.

The notion that our university should somehow morph its culture and traditions because that would lead to football success, I reject out of hand.
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In reply to cmsaggie12 • 6:27a, 12/28/24
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It's called "having some perspective".
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In reply to W • 6:30a, 12/28/24
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W said:
A&M has a problem in attracting the best players and coaches
Congratulations, you win dumbest post.
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6:31a, 12/28/24
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The problem is our culture is built around WWII. I can appreciate what all those Aggies did while still wanting to join the current century.

The problem is our soft AD, not the coaching. We don't have an AD that is in charge. We had a championship coach in Jimbo but we let him do whatever he wanted. A good CEO style of ad would have convinced him to hire a real OC. A good ad would have handled the Nick Saban thing and never allowed Jimbo to go on an embarrassing rant live on camera. A good ad would have told Elko your buddy can't come here and be DC. He sucks and has proven he sucks at it. But we don't have strong ADs. We let our football coaches act like they have the dual role of an AD.
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In reply to RightWingConspirator • 7:27a, 12/28/24
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RightWingConspirator said:
UT simply requires more from their staff and school. Look no further than academics. They want UT to be elite. They've made it more selective. We've made ourselves an institution that "educates all Texans" and less selective. Do you not see the same mindset in how our athletics are run?

We "sharpened iron" in the SEC for over a decade. UT comes in here and beats us in our $500MM home field and played for the SEC championship in their first year. The jokes just write themselves. I just laugh at it all now because if I don't laugh at our pitifulness I'd just get really angry.


Sips just gaslight.
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In reply to Drum5343 • 7:31a, 12/28/24
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cmsaggie12 said:
Drum5343 said:
AgTex96 said:
It's not coaching. It's not the program. It's Texas A&M. The way the whole place is run. The culture. All of it.


I know you're drunk and angry… but what exactly is it that you think is keeping the program from winning?
Leadership starting with Chancellor Sharp and the board, filters down to AD, coaches, and staff.

Start new traditions.

Get rid of traditions, BS, crap that has proven to not work.


Just dumbass trolling really. "We need to stop doing yells and disband the corps because then we would win football games and then I would be a less miserable person" do you listen to yourself?



It's the day after losing a game, let the kids whine and complain.
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In reply to cmsaggie12 • 7:33a, 12/28/24
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Off of the football field, what specifically about our history as a school makes us anything less than patriotic heroes? Fall asleep in class much? There are other major universities with advertising firms that would eagerly trade for our ability to tell a compelling story. Our leadership's ability to adapt in the sixties is what kept us from becoming The Citadel. We are now one of the largest universities in the entire country. And this is despite our largest rival school banking 2/3 (formerly 3/4) of the oil money from the state PUF every single year, then bragging about it. Our successful alumni base has dead-lifted our endowment to compete with anyone in the country.

Now count the number of major universities who have never won a natty. And realize that the same rival to whom so many are eager to compare didn't win their first until 1969. That might seem like prehistoric times to youngsters; to many of us, it is not. If I had a crystal ball in 1984, I would have happily made the same choice of schools, and what a fun time it was. More fun times are ahead.

Football is fun. Football is not life. The players and coaches come here to win. We have the resources and we will win. Have patience.
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In reply to Brother Shamus • 7:34a, 12/28/24
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I just write a mini-novel…then see your succinct, accurate post. You win the day, wise one. Thank you.
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In reply to cmsaggie12 • 7:35a, 12/28/24
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Here, Here
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7:38a, 12/28/24
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The more things change the more they stay the same. We have the same football idiots making football decisions because they write big checks. We get good coaches and players but we don't know how to differentiate between good and great choices. And we do place an emphasis on fit instead of wanting to win.

Our results remind me of Jerry Jones and the cowboys. Jerry always hamstrings his coaches with bad GM decisions and then fires the coach when they don't win.
We need to let the coach coach and get out of the way.
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In reply to Frok • 7:42a, 12/28/24
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Frok said:
The Banned said:
Frok said:
It's definitely the coaching, we hire one bad one after another


Coaching is bad for sure… but why do we hire only bad ones and non good ones?


Because BMAs stuck their noses in the process

This. I was talking to my BIL at Christmas and said we should never have agreed to play the sips on rivalry weekend and I hate having to play them in the regular season because of our history and how much they cheat. He said every BMA he knows wants the game because it brings in so much money. Apparently, they don't care about the product on the field and only want to cash in. It makes me sick.
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In reply to AgTex96 • 7:42a, 12/28/24
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It is because "we are the Aggies, the Aggies are we".

How else could you explain this dumpster fire of a program over the last 3 decades?
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In reply to Ringo88 • 7:44a, 12/28/24
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I just write a mini-novel…then see your succinct, accurate post. You win the day, wise one. Thank you.


Haha I complained on the boards last night about the game but some of these people want to change everything because they are worried about being made fun of. That isn't just a loser mentality, it's also what a ***** does. Let the *****es transfer out for all I care.
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In reply to infinity ag • 7:46a, 12/28/24
infinity ag said:
aa4136 said:
But, our traditions are amazing and that sustains us. Why do you care about winning...its secondary!


The idiotic yell leaders??

Yeah, if the yell leaders hadn't missed those tackles or threw those interceptions, A&M would be undefeated right now.
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7:46a, 12/28/24
It's a tradition, can neer be broken
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In reply to AgTex96 • 7:47a, 12/28/24
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AgTex96 said:
It's not coaching. It's not the program. It's Texas A&M. The way the whole place is run. The culture. All of it.


Enlighten me….
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7:48a, 12/28/24
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Maybe the school will let Trev Albert's change the culture. It all starts and ends with him.
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In reply to Frok • 7:52a, 12/28/24
Frok said:
The Banned said:
Frok said:
It's definitely the coaching, we hire one bad one after another


Coaching is bad for sure… but why do we hire only bad ones and non good ones?




Because BMAs stuck their noses in the process


Dude… we almost hired stoops away from Kentucky for a **** load of money. That's how stupid the AD was. It's like our program, regardless of who is leading it, is desperate to stay mediocre
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In reply to 2004FIGHTINTXAG • 7:56a, 12/28/24
2004FIGHTINTXAG said:
Yeah it was all the outside factors that led to the #1 recruiting class of all time to be an epic failure. It was the outside factors that led to us losing to App State. It was the outside factors that led to this year's collapse.

This thread is pathetic.
yes, part of it is an enabling fan base that treated those guys like they could walk on water, like we do every recruit. Especially when we tell ourselves it's the best recruiting class every year. We got our asses handed to us in recruiting this year, but that's not what the articles say. Our fan base over values players. You think Trey Zuhn is anywhere near getting drafted? No but we're told he's the best lineman ever. Were told Bryce Anderson is this amazing safety, he's one of the biggest liability's on the field. We've had one receiver drafted in the past 6 years, 1 QB, 1 TE, 1 corner, 2 RB's, 2 safeties, 2 LB's… it's pathetic. But we're told every year how our roster is talented.

We were told it was okay to miss out on Kelvin Banks, Landon Jackson, and others. Because of the lower ranked guys we signed we're gonna be better. We're always told everything will be okay and that we have the top guys! Our fan base will put some guys on a pedestal, when no one else across the college football landscape will. We were told all off season how Weigman is the guy, even though prior to this season he had 1 conference win. We were told how Elko came in day 1 and changed the culture, made the team more disciplined, how he made them tougher, faster. Yet this was one of the most penalized undisciplined teams in the country, and one of the softest teams that let other teams run all over them. But don't worry, this off season I'm sure we'll hear how this program is going to get stronger and faster and more united than ever and how it's okay that all our transfers will help us out even though not one of them was productive at their previous school.

Every year Josh Pate will tell you how A&M is a dark horse contender, or one writer out of the thousand across the country will rank A&M in the top ten and well somehow believe it. It's the same thing every single season and off season! We're all mad now, but the team and Aggie media will have us on top of the world come August.
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In reply to Timberwolf • 7:58a, 12/28/24
Timberwolf said:
Maybe the school will let Trev Albert's change the culture. It all starts and ends with him.
he couldn't get his last program to win 6 games LOL, and aside from volleyball, they were a disaster in every sport. What culture can he bring? No Nebraska fan wants him back and they celebrated him leaving. But like I said, we were told how he's the perfect guy for the job.
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In reply to jt16 • 8:03a, 12/28/24
jt16 said:
The problem is our culture is built around WWII. I can appreciate what all those Aggies did while still wanting to join the current century.

The problem is our soft AD, not the coaching. We don't have an AD that is in charge. We had a championship coach in Jimbo but we let him do whatever he wanted. A good CEO style of ad would have convinced him to hire a real OC. A good ad would have handled the Nick Saban thing and never allowed Jimbo to go on an embarrassing rant live on camera. A good ad would have told Elko your buddy can't come here and be DC. He sucks and has proven he sucks at it. But we don't have strong ADs. We let our football coaches act like they have the dual role of an AD.
like my previous two posts, no reporter challenged that DC hire, no one questioned how his last outing as DC he fielded one of the worst defenses in the country. No one mentioned how at Florida, a team that changed their DC 3 years in a row how he got passed up every time. We were instead told how him at DC under Elko was a match made in heaven and how he had one LB get drafted under him. LOL.
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 8:04a, 12/28/24
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Our culture is perfectly encapsulated in our lovefest for RC. Here's a guy who went 3-8 in bowls, was under .400 against top 25 teams and under .300 agains top 10 teams. Yet because he supposedly has an "amazing" overall record, built upon the corpse of the SWC, we treat him like a god. Most programs, when they fire a coach, run him out of town. Nope, not Aggies. We let him hang out for 20+ years, give him a nice office, secretary, big salary and a fancy title. Then to top it off we allow him to play a role in bringing in two of his boys to replace the guy we replaced him with. The most **** move ever.

And all because he "gets" A&M and is a good ol' country boy that has a folksy personality. A guy whose entire career can be summed up with his famous quote thrown out after another one of his inexplicable loses, "well, half the teams lose every Saturday." That's the guy we fawn over. That's the perfect example of why our culture is a f'ing joke.


Bingo. The man built an impressive record beating up on cupcakes in a weak, dying conference. Folded against any team with a pulse and was often humiliated against truly good teams.

This idea that you need someone who "gets" A&M is absolutely what holds us back. So threatened by outsiders and change that it's sickening.
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8:10a, 12/28/24
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We put way too much value on Saturday afternoons at Kyle Field like it's the football version of the movie "Field of Dreams.". Imagine James Earl Jones voiceover as he does his soliloquy on how "people will most definitely come." Pair this with a loyalty of always donating and supporting the team for fear of being labeled a 2%er or a bad Ag, and it's the same old, same old...wash, rinse, repeat.

We are consistently top 5 revenue but the results do not even remotely come close to matching the financial support. The sleeping giant continues to slumber. We are the Dallas Cowboys of collegiate athletics....looks great on paper but the results on the field not so much. Sure we try and we change coaches every 5 years, we build a new stadium, change conferences, and talk endlessly about this or that 5 star recruit (who usually pans out like predecessors). These are all bright shiny objects that are distractions from the root of the problem.

We drink a **** ton of kool-aid in the off-season and convince ourselves that the next season will be different yet the skins on the wall continue to say otherwise. Until the TMF members, the university, the student body, and general fans decide to vote with their feet and wallet, there is zero incentive to do anything else. You start seeing 30k emptys seats on a routine basis and maybe a sense of urgency and purpose will develop within the entire athletic department. Until we are willing to do that, nothing will change.



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In reply to DrAg14 • 8:14a, 12/28/24
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DrAg14 said:
It is because "we are the Aggies, the Aggies are we".

How else could you explain this dumpster fire of a program over the last 3 decades?


It's been much, much longer than 3 decades. For nearly all of my 50+ years of following A&M it's been like this.
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8:18a, 12/28/24
TEXAS A&M LOSING IS INEVITABLE MAY AS WELL ENJOY IT

What Clayton Williams really said.
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8:40a, 12/28/24
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Get rid of the weird traditions and cult behavior and tamu will turn it around
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In reply to jaxisback • 8:49a, 12/28/24
jaxisback said:
Some of you need to spend some time walking through the MSC and reflect a bit on what really matters.

Any Aggie that would trade what Texas A&M is for anything else really isn't an Aggie at all.

This is minor league pro football. Someday we might reach the top of the mountain or maybe not. Enjoy it for what it is, in the end it's of little importance.

The notion that our university should somehow morph its culture and traditions because that would lead to football success, I reject out of hand.


We should honor that history by not completely embarrassing the school as a football program.
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In reply to taylorswift13_ • 8:49a, 12/28/24
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For F's sake you have Aggies in the stands lecturing you if you boo someone


How would booing help this program? People express their displeasure and disappointment well enough on this site.

Why do you want to lower yourself to win some football games? Is that an adequate trade? You lose your humanity acting like a fool booing everything and cussing out players, coaches and refs in front of your family.

Let's just assume that acting like a jackass will help the team win. So what? You didn't win anything. Some kids with zero prior affiliation with the school, who will leave for more money, did.
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8:49a, 12/28/24
We should get rid of the Yell Leaders not because it will change the product on the field…we should do it as they are an embarrassment to the University. Yearly, a joke shared all over the country.

But we could have men in pink leotards prancing on the sideline. IF we had good leadership, we would win at FB. We don't so we don't.

Sharp led us down this damn path. Made us a diploma mill and couldn't keep a president who couldn't keep an AD who couldn't keep a HC.

80k students sounds great when fundraising. Loads us up with cash. But ineptness in presidents rotating office is why we can't keep a competent AD and overpay for bad HFCs. It is even why we paid a record for mismatched talent in 2022. Thugs and bad dudes who didn't shive a git about Texas A&M. Just the next paycheck.

Meanwhile, we have one NC to our name all time and it was before the first CFB game was televised.
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