BMX Bandit said:

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The problem with your argument is that SMU and Indiana are not two of the 12 best teams.

The selection process is the problem

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But there is no process in which an 11-1 big ten team does not get into a 12 team or more playoff.

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Yea there is, it's called objectivity and actually considering strength of schedule. I would love to see what the old computer rankings would have looked like.

More expansion probably would make for better 1st round games.

The current setup when Cinderella teams who have great records have to go to SEC or BIG10 stadiums is always going to look like this. Make Bama to go Boise and it might be more interesting. Or better yet more play in games for the little teams. Indiana vs SMU probably would have been a good game

cevans_40 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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4 said:

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The problem with your argument is that SMU and Indiana are not two of the 12 best teams.

The selection process is the problem

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But there is no process in which an 11-1 big ten team does not get into a 12 team or more playoff.

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Yea there is, it's called objectivity and actually considering strength of schedule. I would love to see what the old computer rankings would have looked like.

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Indiana would be 8, just like CFP

SMU would be first team out at 12


Big 10 & SEC run the FBS level. There is zero possibility one if their 11-2 teams ever gets left out. It's a long shot a 10-2 wouid not make it

SOS should be high metric otherwise why play.

Take the emotion and these effing espn Fu$ers and other talking heads out of the decision making process.

Just make it an SEC v B1G + ND event and be done with it.

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The problem with your argument is that SMU and Indiana are not two of the 12 best teams.

The selection process is the problem

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Saw Sankey on this morning's SEC Nation. he said two things that made my jaw drop.

Laura asked him about the meetings he had secretly set up years ago to work on this playoff system with other selected conference commissioners. First he kind of preened that he was the only one still employed in that position. (Not a point of which to be proud, A-hole.)

The second was that it was a work in progress and they were not sure how much tweaking and changing to this format they will have to revisit. Saying this CFP expansion was essentially a half baked and not fully thought through process.

12 is too many. Auto bids are bad. If that means the CCG goes away, so be it. Kramer started the CCG in the SEC. Made a crap ton of money on it so the other conferences followed that business model.

Business models change however. And sticking with 12 teams will likely result in the CCGs going away. Question is whether the juice is worth the squeeze for the conferences? Is slaughtering one cash cow, worth creating a new cash cow for select conferences with more berths in the 12 team playoff? I'm not the bean counter on that question.

My thinking is a far better format is scale it back to 8, no auto-bids, seeding by ranking including SOS. Not all wins nor losses for that matter, are the same.

But I don't get a vote. So here I sit watching crappy roadkill games that are not even contests.

amercer said:

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More expansion probably would make for better 1st round games.

The current setup when Cinderella teams who have great records have to go to SEC or BIG10 stadiums is always going to look like this. Make Bama to go Boise and it might be more interesting. Or better yet more play in games for the little teams. Indiana vs SMU probably would have been a good game

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Ok, you put IU vs SMU. Game is actually an entertaining game. What about the next round when they play…well any top 10 team? You're just kicking a brutal beat down can down the road. These two teams simply aren't that good

Composite of computers
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The problem with your argument is that SMU and Indiana are not two of the 12 best teams.

The selection process is the problem

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Extend the playoff and take best four Big Ten, best four SEC, best two ACC and best two Big 12, best two other CCG winners and two or six at large. With 16 blow up the byes. With 20 keep them because they reward conference championship game winners and avoid people hofng from the CCG.

Bama bumps SMU…

Yes, but the computers do not care about protecting the conference championship games ($$$)

Wrong

As long as SoS is not a taken into account and participation trophies are handed out, it needs expanded to get more SEC teams in it.

What we need is better officiating first.

South Carolina is in and Clemson out with better officials.

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Yea there is, it's called objectivity and actually considering strength of schedule. I would love to see what the old computer rankings would have looked like.

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Sagarin

Overall

1. Notre Dame
2. Oregon
3. Ohio State
4. Texas
5. Georgia
6. Alabama
7. Ole Miss
8. Penn State
9. Tennessee
10. SMU
11. Indiana
12. Arizona State
13. South Carolina
14. Colorado
15. Miami
16. Louisville
17. LSU
18. Clemson
19. Texas A&M
20. Florida

Of note GA has strongest SOS at 4th.

IU weakest SOS at 74th

LINK

Cool. Now do NFL.

Txhuntr said:

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amercer said:

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More expansion probably would make for better 1st round games.

The current setup when Cinderella teams who have great records have to go to SEC or BIG10 stadiums is always going to look like this. Make Bama to go Boise and it might be more interesting. Or better yet more play in games for the little teams. Indiana vs SMU probably would have been a good game

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Ok, you put IU vs SMU. Game is actually an entertaining game. What about the next round when they play…well any top 10 team? You're just kicking a brutal beat down can down the road. These two teams simply aren't that good

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This. It would just be a play in game to see who gets to sacrifice themselves to the next team. This board loves the word meaningless. That would truly be a meaningless game.

MaroonStain said:

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Cool. Now do NFL.

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NFL has parity due to drafts & salary caps. The Jacksonville jaguars are closer in stature to the Philadelphia eagles than SMU to Penn st

cevans_40 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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4 said:

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The problem with your argument is that SMU and Indiana are not two of the 12 best teams.

The selection process is the problem

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But there is no process in which an 11-1 big ten team does not get into a 12 team or more playoff.

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Yea there is, it's called objectivity and actually considering strength of schedule. I would love to see what the old computer rankings would have looked like.

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You do realize Indiana had a higher SOS than ND, don't you (at least by one measurement; there are multiple ones out there)?

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/rankings/college-football-rankings-strength-of-schedule-top-25-teams

What you MAY be referring to is win quality. However, that gets into circular reasoning. Alabama's SOS/win quality is high because the team's they beat have high SOS. Why? Because they played Bama, among others. If you try to chart all that in Excel, it will kick out an error because it uses cell references that kick back against each other.

People are going to argue for a "system" that includes teams they want and excludes teams they don't want. It isn't any more objective than that. Someone last night was arguing the Big 10 is overrated and trash. They'll likely have 3 teams in the Quarterfinals after today.

Expand the playoffs more, make it 24 teams, the first round will be the ****ty bowl games people watch anyways but it takes all the power out of the commitee's hands. Then get rid of conference championship first round bye's and make it the best 8 teams get bye's

These are first round games and mismatches are to be expected. There's nothing wrong with these types of games. Expand the tournament to 16 and let four more teams in and have no byes and more accurate seeding. This is still great to watch to see which teams rise to the top. So far ND and PS show they are superior teams than their competition.

32 is the right number.

24 or 32 teams no bowl games. Let's find out finally who is better between the B10 and the SEC. And it would be nice to have the rest get a shot. Seems fair since they are in the same division of football.

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32 is the right number.

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Very few fans will have the wherewithal to attend games anymore.

Would you rather watch a #1 seed vs #32 seed in a 1st round post season game in early December, or watch Alabama play Mercer in mid-September?

rootube said:

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24 or 32 teams no bowl games. Let's find out finally who is better between the B10 and the SEC. And it would be nice to have the rest get a shot. Seems fair since they are in the same division of football.

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So pretty much a pointless regular season since as long as your not one of the 3 or 4 bottom teams in the sec/big 10 you're in the post season

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The problem with your argument is that SMU and Indiana are not two of the 12 best teams.

The selection process is the problem

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This

Alabama , South Carolina, ole Miss, Miami all put up a better fight than SMU and Indiana

Txhuntr said:

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MaroonStain said:

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Cool. Now do NFL.

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NFL has parity due to drafts & salary caps. The Jacksonville jaguars are closer in stature to the Philadelphia eagles than SMU to Penn st

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And the worst NFL players would run rough shod over all but the top 2-3% of college players. The average college football player is simply a kid who developed physically earlier in life and/or was probably held back a grade at some point.

sincereag said:

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These are first round games and mismatches are to be expected. There's nothing wrong with these types of games. Expand the tournament to 16 and let four more teams in and have no byes and more accurate seeding. This is still great to watch to see which teams rise to the top. So far ND and PS show they are superior teams than their competition.

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If you go to 16 (or more teams) you get even more mismatches. In 40+ years of watching CFB I can't think of a single year where there were more than 3 teams who were NC type teams and the "upsets" have almost always been one of the 3 beating one of the others.

Txhuntr said:

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MaroonStain said:

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Cool. Now do NFL.

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NFL has parity due to drafts & salary caps. The Jacksonville jaguars are closer in stature to the Philadelphia eagles than SMU to Penn st

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All kinds of parity when an 8-9 team wins their division and makes the playoffs.

Alabama sucks.

Miami should've been in if not South Carolina.