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We finished the year with the #1 offense in SEC play,
False Narratives from this past season
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Same as every other year, believing…
- that we've got the talent (where's the beef!)
- that more money will bring championships (happiness)
- that a new coach is the answer to our misery (the boss is always to blame)
- that we've got the talent (where's the beef!)
- that more money will bring championships (happiness)
- that a new coach is the answer to our misery (the boss is always to blame)
You're not wrong. I'm not saying I thought he did a great or even fair job at times, but this is what kept me from screaming FIRE HIS @$$ NOW all the time. He should get at least one full recruiting cycle and if no major gains are made next year then bye felicia.
Gyles Marrett said:Nick was non-existent the last 3 SEC games. Texas back up LT completely dominated him. Multiple times ending up putting Nick on his back 5-8 yards down field after he drove him backwards. He either quit just waiting for the draft, was injured, or very very overrated.Captain Awesome said:
A few of the narratives from this season that I disagree with.
1) WRs aren't very good. - Let me start by saying drops cost us the Auburn game. One of those drops was by a TE, and the other was by the QB on the snap. (yes I'm calling that a drop. IT never should have gotten to overtime) Here are my thoughts, CW was just bad this year (minus the Missouri game) His constant inability to throw on time and trust the play led to his troubles. Jump to a whole new freshman QB who started a few games then was benched then was given the starting job for good. They didn't exactly open up the playbook for him. Especially in the t.u. game. My point to all this is, it's hard to build continuity with all of these variables. I liked our WRs. Thomas is a beast. The catch he made in the endzone at Auburn was amazing.
2) I'm sure this is just me, but Nick is an elite DE. I just don't see it. I mean he is good and an amazing young man. I just don't see the "High first round" type of play that I was expecting from all the chatter. Can he affect the play? Sure! I guess with all the talk I was expecting a few more sacks and to see him dominating folks. I never really saw that. Looks like a fast DT to me.
3) We need a New OC! I get it. In the t.u. game, play calling was not very good. Our O-line getting abused was the problem. Should have made adjustments. I do like his scheme, I do like the way he uses motion and plays early to set up stuff later on. Not saying he is perfect, but I am excited to see what year 2 can be.
just my humble opinion
I think he got nicked up in a game and quit to save himself for the NFL draft.
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We we're definitely #1 on getting stuffed on 4th&1.SteveA said:That's a fallacy.Quote:
We finished the year with the #1 offense in SEC play,
A QB that can read defenses and find receivers quickly
A RB like Moss
An OC that can scheme better
that would fix 90% of our offense.
A RB like Moss
An OC that can scheme better
that would fix 90% of our offense.
The OC one is the main thing. Besides scheming correctly, applying hurry up at time when the defense in on their hills, among other things.
Better scheme set up and game planning will help any QB that plays for us. Same for applying hurry up at times.
You actually need 2-3 quality running backs in the SEC. We did at the start but lost two of them and Daniel's was more of a 3rd down back anyway. that hurt the offense more than anything in the last 3 losses. You saw how Georgia's 2 Moss like RBs eventually wore the sips down in both of their games.
I'm not throwing Klein completely under the bus bc I have no idea if these issues are 100% on him or if Elko meddles, states run the ball and puts restraints such as not allowing hurry up.
Better scheme set up and game planning will help any QB that plays for us. Same for applying hurry up at times.
You actually need 2-3 quality running backs in the SEC. We did at the start but lost two of them and Daniel's was more of a 3rd down back anyway. that hurt the offense more than anything in the last 3 losses. You saw how Georgia's 2 Moss like RBs eventually wore the sips down in both of their games.
I'm not throwing Klein completely under the bus bc I have no idea if these issues are 100% on him or if Elko meddles, states run the ball and puts restraints such as not allowing hurry up.
he was on 1st and Goal in the tu game. Play calls were just plain stupid.Mike Elkos Burner said:NoahAg said:
We need NFL caliber talent at WR. We don't have it.
Klein is out of his league. Literally. Needs to go back to the big 12.
We finished the year with the #1 offense in SEC play, and that's with having 0 WRs that have the ability to create separation from defenders and going the entire year missing 1 of our 2 best offensive players (Leveon/Reuben)
Klein wasn't the problem.
Bill Superman said:We we're definitely #1 on getting stuffed on 4th&1.SteveA said:That's a fallacy.Quote:
We finished the year with the #1 offense in SEC play,
After losing Moss, correct. And that's on Klein, not the players. Coaching did not adjust well to his loss.
Pretty amazing that their LT was able to somehow dominate Scourton all the way from the opposite end of the line!Gyles Marrett said:Nick was non-existent the last 3 SEC games. Texas back up LT completely dominated him. Multiple times ending up putting Nick on his back 5-8 yards down field after he drove him backwards. He either quit just waiting for the draft, was injured, or very very overrated.Captain Awesome said:
A few of the narratives from this season that I disagree with.
1) WRs aren't very good. - Let me start by saying drops cost us the Auburn game. One of those drops was by a TE, and the other was by the QB on the snap. (yes I'm calling that a drop. IT never should have gotten to overtime) Here are my thoughts, CW was just bad this year (minus the Missouri game) His constant inability to throw on time and trust the play led to his troubles. Jump to a whole new freshman QB who started a few games then was benched then was given the starting job for good. They didn't exactly open up the playbook for him. Especially in the t.u. game. My point to all this is, it's hard to build continuity with all of these variables. I liked our WRs. Thomas is a beast. The catch he made in the endzone at Auburn was amazing.
2) I'm sure this is just me, but Nick is an elite DE. I just don't see it. I mean he is good and an amazing young man. I just don't see the "High first round" type of play that I was expecting from all the chatter. Can he affect the play? Sure! I guess with all the talk I was expecting a few more sacks and to see him dominating folks. I never really saw that. Looks like a fast DT to me.
3) We need a New OC! I get it. In the t.u. game, play calling was not very good. Our O-line getting abused was the problem. Should have made adjustments. I do like his scheme, I do like the way he uses motion and plays early to set up stuff later on. Not saying he is perfect, but I am excited to see what year 2 can be.
just my humble opinion
Captain Awesome said:
A few of the narratives from this season that I disagree with.
2) I'm sure this is just me, but Nick is an elite DE. I just don't see it. I mean he is good and an amazing young man. I just don't see the "High first round" type of play that I was expecting from all the chatter. Can he affect the play? Sure! I guess with all the talk I was expecting a few more sacks and to see him dominating folks. I never really saw that. Looks like a fast DT to me.
I think Nick CAN be elite when he wants to be but I also think he just coasted the last few games. The first half of the season I thought he played pretty darn well.
hold on, A&M was the #1 offense in SEC play...Mike Elkos Burner said:NoahAg said:
We need NFL caliber talent at WR. We don't have it.
Klein is out of his league. Literally. Needs to go back to the big 12.
We finished the year with the #1 offense in SEC play, and that's with having 0 WRs that have the ability to create separation from defenders and going the entire year missing 1 of our 2 best offensive players (Leveon/Reuben)
Klein wasn't the problem.
but didn't score vs. the sips?
something doesn't add up
Statistically, Colin Klein's offense has been good, but also wildly inconsistent. We scored 31+ offensive points in regulation in 4 of 8 SEC games, including in 2 of 4 road games. Unfortunately, we did not score a single offensive point against Texas at home because we failed to convert 4th and 1 at the Texas 10-yard line on our opening drive and failed to score on 4th and goal from the Texas 1-yard line with 4:36 left in the game. We failed to score more than 21 offensive points in 3 other games: 13 against Notre Dame (home), 21 against Arkansas (neutral), and 20 against South Carolina (away). When we scored 26+ offensive points in regulation, we went 7-1, but when we scored 21 offensive points or fewer, we went 1-3.
Klein's offense has had several games with bad offensive halves.
@Florida: 20 points in the 1st half and 6 points (the other 7 came on a pick-6) in the 2nd half.
Arkansas: 14 points in the 1st half and 7 points in the 2nd half
LSU: 7 points in the 1st half and 31 points in the 2nd half
@South Carolina: 20 points in the 1st half and 0 points in the 2nd half
@Auburn: 7 points in the 1st half and 24 points in the 2nd half of regulation
Klein's offense was good from start to finish in just 2 SEC games:
Missouri: 24 in the 1st half and 17 in the 2nd half
@Mississippi State: 21 in the 1st half and 13 in the 2nd half
Klein's offense has had several games with bad offensive halves.
@Florida: 20 points in the 1st half and 6 points (the other 7 came on a pick-6) in the 2nd half.
Arkansas: 14 points in the 1st half and 7 points in the 2nd half
LSU: 7 points in the 1st half and 31 points in the 2nd half
@South Carolina: 20 points in the 1st half and 0 points in the 2nd half
@Auburn: 7 points in the 1st half and 24 points in the 2nd half of regulation
Klein's offense was good from start to finish in just 2 SEC games:
Missouri: 24 in the 1st half and 17 in the 2nd half
@Mississippi State: 21 in the 1st half and 13 in the 2nd half
To me, this kind of shows exactly what our low end potential with this offense could have been. I still don't think people realize how bad we could have been on offense this year. Are there things that we could have done better? Absolutely, but I think the room for growth was far less than our floor could have been. Especially after Moss went down.
I would consider what Klein did through 11 games to be an overachievement overall, which I know many disagree with. But I called that before the season started. I said more than a few times we needed Weigman to be a difference maker and elevate everyone else. Clearly that was not the case. Now, the texas game obviously is a different story. It is never acceptable to get shut out. But through 11 games, I thought we overachieved.
We took over an offense that:
It was a massively stacked deck from day one. We already have so much more to work with in 2025. QB is the ONLY position that I THOUGHT we'd be better at in 2024 with Weigman, but that turned out to not be the case. But I would easily take every other position in 2025 over 2024.
I would consider what Klein did through 11 games to be an overachievement overall, which I know many disagree with. But I called that before the season started. I said more than a few times we needed Weigman to be a difference maker and elevate everyone else. Clearly that was not the case. Now, the texas game obviously is a different story. It is never acceptable to get shut out. But through 11 games, I thought we overachieved.
We took over an offense that:
- QB was returning off injury, and clearly never mentally recovered
- TB lost 1B pre-season and 1A in game 8, and only had 4 total on scholarship
- WR had maybe one WR that would start on a top 25 team. Maybe 2nd in Barber for some of the bottom teams.
- TE best player is Theo who probably still has played less American football than any other TE in the sec this year.
- OL was the worst unit in the sec the previous year
It was a massively stacked deck from day one. We already have so much more to work with in 2025. QB is the ONLY position that I THOUGHT we'd be better at in 2024 with Weigman, but that turned out to not be the case. But I would easily take every other position in 2025 over 2024.
- QB is healthy and our current starter
- TB a little concerning with Moss injury, but we now have 5 on scholarship (and 6 if EJ Smith returns)
- WR so much more high end potential, albeit lacking production. Still need one more productive player here
- TE Theo finally getting up to speed. The Nebraska TE is a better blocker than any from 2024. We still could use a more sure fire pass threat
- OL comin off a season they were closer to the 6th or 7th best in the sec rather than 14th. 5 redshirt SRs and a couple of JRs all with starting experience.
Captain Awesome said:
A few of the narratives from this season that I disagree with.
1) WRs aren't very good. - Let me start by saying drops cost us the Auburn game. One of those drops was by a TE, and the other was by the QB on the snap. (yes I'm calling that a drop. IT never should have gotten to overtime) Here are my thoughts, CW was just bad this year (minus the Missouri game) His constant inability to throw on time and trust the play led to his troubles. Jump to a whole new freshman QB who started a few games then was benched then was given the starting job for good. They didn't exactly open up the playbook for him. Especially in the t.u. game. My point to all this is, it's hard to build continuity with all of these variables. I liked our WRs. Thomas is a beast. The catch he made in the endzone at Auburn was amazing.
2) I'm sure this is just me, but Nick is an elite DE. I just don't see it. I mean he is good and an amazing young man. I just don't see the "High first round" type of play that I was expecting from all the chatter. Can he affect the play? Sure! I guess with all the talk I was expecting a few more sacks and to see him dominating folks. I never really saw that. Looks like a fast DT to me.
3) We need a New OC! I get it. In the t.u. game, play calling was not very good. Our O-line getting abused was the problem. Should have made adjustments. I do like his scheme, I do like the way he uses motion and plays early to set up stuff later on. Not saying he is perfect, but I am excited to see what year 2 can be.
just my humble opinion
Denied! Another one of those fans.
We need to fire Klein!!
Learn more about the sport in general. That is my advice. Plenty of guys on YT that do amazing technical breakdowns of football. Do yourself a favor and learn how to analyze the game.
All the guys saying from Game 1 that our OC sucks and needs to be fired are clueless. There is NO freaking way you can make that determination in Year 1.
We absolutely do not have the guys that Klein needs and desires to be dominate.
At the end of 2025, if the offense looks the same then YES. But I am willing to bet anyone on this site that our offense looks completely different next year and we put up some major points. WR is a glaring need. We do NOT have explosive speedsters. We have that now. That is HUGE. And Reed will be further developed as he certainly missed many open reads.
Year 1 under Elko. Get some sense of reality zoo members.
Woof. I misread your post.
Completely agree. Year one is way too early to make any kind of determination. Particularly when many of us called it. That the message boards would hate Klein after year one due to what he was working with. There was inevitably going to be major growing pains.
Now, some of us were hoping Weigman could mask a lot of those issues. Had you told me that Weigman would be as bad as he was this year, I'd have assumed we would have gone 6-6 or 7-5. If you told me our defense AND Weigman would play at the level they did, I would have said 5-7 comes into play.
Completely agree. Year one is way too early to make any kind of determination. Particularly when many of us called it. That the message boards would hate Klein after year one due to what he was working with. There was inevitably going to be major growing pains.
Now, some of us were hoping Weigman could mask a lot of those issues. Had you told me that Weigman would be as bad as he was this year, I'd have assumed we would have gone 6-6 or 7-5. If you told me our defense AND Weigman would play at the level they did, I would have said 5-7 comes into play.
Did not read all of these, but to me the issue was two things. 1. Losing moss killed this offense. The run is so critical to set up the passing schemes we have. I love Amari, but he couldn't handle the load and defenses could pressure the qb with extra bodies and still play the run. 2. On D we thought we had an elite rush and we didn't. Tried to put pressure with 4 all season and we couldn't. Only times we got pressure was when we sent a LB or DB. Not doing this on the last drive cost us the auburn game. We thought a 4 man rush could eat the clock up, nope.
SteveA said:Is that speculation? I never saw anything about this.Quote:
Nic got dinged up in a game mid season and wasn't the same after.
Not sure if it was a nagging injury situation or he decided to check out in order to preserve himself for the nfl.
There was a game where he came out of the game due to something. Never heard any report on it, but also never looked.
I know he didn't miss much playing time from it, but it also seems like his disappearance coincided with it.
Mike Elkos Burner said:NoahAg said:
We need NFL caliber talent at WR. We don't have it.
Klein is out of his league. Literally. Needs to go back to the big 12.
We finished the year with the #1 offense in SEC play, and that's with having 0 WRs that have the ability to create separation from defenders and going the entire year missing 1 of our 2 best offensive players (Leveon/Reuben)
Klein wasn't the problem.
Uhhh. #10 offense with just over 400 yds/gm. Ole Miss was first averaging 521/gm. Vols were first in rushing, we were second.
Well, watch tomorrow and get a precursor of things to come in 25...
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What did you think about that? Did you think it was legit?HoustonAggie427 said:
We were the favorites to win the SEC at one point
This team was patched together by grabbing portal players.
You'll know we're legit, when we are no longer desperate for portal players!!!
The main false narratives are we know what we are doing as a school regarding athletics, we give as much money to NIL as everyone else, and we travel well to post-season events.