I'm sure it's been discussed before, but IMO, transfer rules need to change to give programs some type of stability.
1) player can transfer with no loss of eligibility to any other team, Once.
2) if player transfers a second time, he sits out and loses a year of eligibility.
Every time they transfer costs them a year of eligibility.

Something like this would definitely slow down guys transferring every year like many are doing,

All based on no coaching change.
Just my .02

I think its fair. I mean coaches have penalties if they leave so players should too.

The issue is that they can transfer without penalty again if they are a grad transfer. With so many kids probably already entering college with college credit they can get that done fairly quickly.

Until the revenue share structure is formally adopted by conferences, any limitation to free movement of players will get soundly beaten down in court

That would need to be included in the one time transfer rule.

NVM. Misread your post .

Assuming no coaching change, I would like to see no transfers prior to your senior year. Transferring prior to that gets you a year penalty.

This makes guys stick around long enough to work on their situation. But if you aren't starting your senior year, you'd be stupid not look around. This would give you two years of eligibility (senior and redshirt years) to make it work somewhere else. You're also at your peak physical condition (if you've done CFB right) and are most likely to make an impact somewhere.

I have always said one of the toughest coaching jobs was college baseball because of all the recruiting dynamics. Coaches have to recruit so many players because several will try to go pro from HS, etc. With the portal and NIL, football has become the same way. I don't envy these coaches trying to build a team and develop a program. It has to be a constant struggle to maintain the culture.

vander54 said:

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I think its fair. I mean coaches have penalties if they leave so players should too.

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Do they? Typically the teams they leave to pay any penalties.

There was a massive over-correction. The combination of the portal with the NIL money apparently flying around is what I don't like.

For example, you have a guy like Quinshon Judkins. Put up MONSTER numbers at Ole Miss. Likely in line to be one of the first RBs taken in his draft. Ole Miss coming off one of the best seasons in school history with a dynamic offensive coach and elite college QB returning. Then he just randomly decides to transfer to Ohio State? He sees his touches and most relevant stats cut in half. I can only assume he chased a bag to Ohio State, but what does that mean for his future?

I don't like the idea of binding a college kid to his decision otherwise he faces a penalty. Why should a kid that is pigeon-holed in a backup role be forced to stay in that situation for fear of sitting out a year if he transfers? I don't mind the one time free transfer. It's not a Transfer Portal problem to me. It's the sum of all parts that have created a flawed system.

So if you wanted to move to another job, how would you like it if your first move has no penalty but the 2nd move, you have to sit out a year before working?

Most College football players are paid athletes now and make more money than the avg American esp in the power 4 conferences.

It sounds great restricting someone else's ability to advance/make more money/have better opportunities but I am sure no one on here would want to live under the same restriction. Scholarships are not even a talking point anymore and student athlete has always been a farce.

Just because they sacrifice their body for your enjoyment doesn't mean you get to call the shots on their freedom to do whatever they seem fit. The perceived stability of your college program does not trump them having control over their own destiny. If it angers or frustrates you that adults are making decisions what is best for them, then some inner reflections should be in order.

gotta get rid of the free transfer.

They need to have to sit out if they transfer, unless their head coach or position coach leaves.

That's exactly what pro sports do. You can't just up and leave your team. Your team invested in you. The only way out is a trade, so that the team losing a player is compensated.

It happens in normal business too. The cost to move is a non-solicit/non-compete. You can go, but the "penalty" is you can't take your customer with you. This limits your bargaining power with other companies.

I don't see any way to do that in college football.

What should happen to players that are not invited back?

Per NCAA scholarships are year to year. When ones scholarship is not renewed, what then?

Portal/Transfer rules do cut both ways. I would guess that a high percentage of portal entries fall into this category.

Much higher than anyone thinks...

That's a problem they create themselves by entering the transfer portal with the current setup. If transfers were limited, and they transferred, there would be no invitation to return.

I know things have changed, IMO, for the worse, but I have never been in favor of all the NIL payments or earnings.

Not to sound old school, but Scholarships for Athletics were basically set up for a way for kids to get a free education or assisted education for excelling in a particular sport.

These athletes are provided a free education for 4-5 years, 3 very good meals a day and free Board and a stipen and leave at the end of their tenure with no bills what so ever.

vander54 said:

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I think its fair. I mean coaches have penalties if they leave so players should too.

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No, it isn't similar and isn't fair. Now with a collective bargaining agreement there can't be anti-trust suits except against collusion…

Doc Hayworth said:

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I know things have changed, IMO, for the worse, but I have never been in favor of all the NIL payments or earnings.

Not to sound old school, but Scholarships for Athletics were basically set up for a way for kids to get a free education or assisted education for excelling in a particular sport.

These athletes are provided a free education for 4-5 years, 3 very good meals a day and free Board and a stipen and leave at the end of their tenure with no bills what so ever.

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But they make millions for the school and put in far beyond a normal student. It's not so simple.

Doc Hayworth said:

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I'm sure it's been discussed before, but IMO, transfer rules need to change to give programs some type of stability.
1) player can transfer with no loss of eligibility to any other team, Once.
2) if player transfers a second time, he sits out and loses a year of eligibility.
Every time they transfer costs them a year of eligibility.

Something like this would definitely slow down guys transferring every year like many are doing,

All based on no coaching change.
Just my .02

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IMHO! Transfer rules need to revert back to lay out for a year and losing eligibility! An egotistical player can transfer for no reason other than I just don't like it here, coach yelled at me, I'm not playing or this team ain't winnin'! They made a contractual commitment to a school and need to be held to that. The way it is now it teaches them nothing about responsibility and commitment. This transfer round table is ridiculous!

Doc Hayworth said:

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That's a problem they create themselves by entering the transfer portal with the current setup. If transfers were limited, and they transferred, there would be no invitation to return.

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You didn't answer the question and your response makes no sense.

But, what can we expect from the Zoo?

Message Board Genius take after Message Board Genius take...

Doc Hayworth said:

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That's a problem they create themselves by entering the transfer portal with the current setup. If transfers were limited, and they transferred, there would be no invitation to return.

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No invitation to return." AGREE! They made their bed, let 'em lay in it!!!!

TAMUallen said:

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Doc Hayworth said:

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I know things have changed, IMO, for the worse, but I have never been in favor of all the NIL payments or earnings.

Not to sound old school, but Scholarships for Athletics were basically set up for a way for kids to get a free education or assisted education for excelling in a particular sport.

These athletes are provided a free education for 4-5 years, 3 very good meals a day and free Board and a stipen and leave at the end of their tenure with no bills what so ever.

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But they make millions for the school and put in far beyond a normal student. It's not so simple.

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That's what they knowingly signed up for. They need to be held to their signed contract. College football has become a farm league for the pros. The pros is what made me quit watching Sunday football!! Do you think Saban retired because he got tired of coaching? He got sick of all the transfer and $$$$ crap! He's the only coach that had enough backbone to do so.

They had a one time free transfer rule but then changed it to unlimited free transfers because they were about to get challenged on it or were already being challenged on it

Medaggie said:

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So if you wanted to move to another job, how would you like it if your first move has no penalty but the 2nd move, you have to sit out a year before working?

Most College football players are paid athletes now and make more money than the avg American esp in the power 4 conferences.

It sounds great restricting someone else's ability to advance/make more money/have better opportunities but I am sure no one on here would want to live under the same restriction. Scholarships are not even a talking point anymore and student athlete has always been a farce.

Just because they sacrifice their body for your enjoyment doesn't mean you get to call the shots on their freedom to do whatever they seem fit. The perceived stability of your college program does not trump them having control over their own destiny. If it angers or frustrates you that adults are making decisions what is best for them, then some inner reflections should be in order.

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Oh boohoo. I feel so bad for them.

I am also not competing in what is supposed to be a TEAM sport. So it isn't directly the same as just a general employment / job, and you damn well know that you cannot and should not directly compare the two.

You do know that there are literally more restrictions on actual professionals, right? What about their "freedom" to just jump from team to team penalty free each year? Contracts be damned. Yes, I realize they can get by on some loopholes, but it usually costs them.

When collegiate athletics is more chaotic than professional, you have to reflect on what we did wrong to get here.

You also realize that NIL is not SUPPOSED to be pay for play, right? It's literally supposed to be what your name, image, and likeness can generate. We all know that isn't what it is, but the NIL / portal aspect isn't what is ruining this or making it chaotic. It's the free transfer. It became pay for play rather than what it was supposed to be, and that's generating revenue via your name.

Doc Hayworth said:

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I know things have changed, IMO, for the worse, but I have never been in favor of all the NIL payments or earnings.

Not to sound old school, but Scholarships for Athletics were basically set up for a way for kids to get a free education or assisted education for excelling in a particular sport.

These athletes are provided a free education for 4-5 years, 3 very good meals a day and free Board and a stipen and leave at the end of their tenure with no bills what so ever.

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That's how CFB was set up, but that's not what it is now. CFB predates the NFL by 50-60 years.

But what we have now is a collusion between the NCAA and the NFL. The NFL doesn't allow anyone to be draft eligible until their 3rd year out of HS. Why? Because they learned from the MLB that the minor leagues are a money suck. No one wants to watch that and they will lose tons of money. But people WILL watch that minor league if it's attached to a school they love. It's a match made in heaven. Colleges profit. NFL saves a ton of money. Only ones not making any money are the students. And no, a college education for a kid who has no intent at all on using it is not a good trade.

ETA: I think if the NFL was open to kids straight out of HS, there would be a fairer argument against paying players. Don't know if it would win me over, but at least you could say if the kid is good enough to get paid he should go try it. I bet there are a few 5* recruits each year that the NFL would put on their practice squad if they were allowed to.

If he or she wants to waste the education opportunity, that's their problem. Probability has it the majority won't make the big league.

Doc Hayworth said:

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I'm sure it's been discussed before, but IMO, transfer rules need to change to give programs some type of stability.
1) player can transfer with no loss of eligibility to any other team, Once.
2) if player transfers a second time, he sits out and loses a year of eligibility.
Every time they transfer costs them a year of eligibility.

Something like this would definitely slow down guys transferring every year like many are doing,

All based on no coaching change.
Just my .02

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Take it a step further, and weave NIL into it.

1. Give each player a stipend, uniform amount, across the board. Any amount would be more than they were getting before NIL went nuts.

2. All players are wide open to all available NIL opportunities. They can watch it stack up, in an interest bearing account, but they can't touch it until
- they finish their degree, or
- they have a career ending injury, or
- if they go pro early, that's great....give them 5 extra years to still finish their degree. No degree? Sorry, no dollars.

3. Should they transfer away from current school, they forfeit the NIL accumulated while at current school, and they start from scratch at the new school. The forfeited money gets redistributed to players on current team.

4. Coach leaves? If they stay, everything keeps running as typical. But should they transfer out due to coach leaving, they get to take NIL with them.

Everybody looks at the transfer portal from the negative side. Everyone hates to see good players or at least players with a high bar potential leave in the portal.

On the flip side, we benefit by clearing up scholarship space for improving our talent and depth by removing players who will probably never see much playing time/contribute in a meaningful way. It's a quick way to fill gaps on the roster and with talented players that have proven themselves in a year or two at smaller programs. Think about Scourton, I don't know if he improved his draft stock by transferring here, but that certainly seemed to be the idea. We'll take guys like him from the portal all day. Let the recruits learn from really high caliber guys and quicken their development.

When was the last time ANY "student athlete" was unable to play due to being academically ineligible?

Oh, that's right it doesn't happen any more.

To handle the transfer portal rules, maybe just hold up the standards of the school they are at or are going to.

Then we'd see a reduction in transfers - especially if the entrance requirements are beyond junior college reqs.

Are these students anymore anyway?? Sincere question......how are they getting past being in class?

Doc Hayworth said:

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I'm sure it's been discussed before, but IMO, transfer rules need to change to give programs some type of stability.
1) player can transfer with no loss of eligibility to any other team, Once.
2) if player transfers a second time, he sits out and loses a year of eligibility.
3) if player transfers within the same conference, he sits out the first year
Every time they transfer costs them a year of eligibility.

Something like this would definitely slow down guys transferring every year like many are doing,

All based on no coaching change.
Just my .02

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TAMUallen said:

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Doc Hayworth said:

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I know things have changed, IMO, for the worse, but I have never been in favor of all the NIL payments or earnings.

Not to sound old school, but Scholarships for Athletics were basically set up for a way for kids to get a free education or assisted education for excelling in a particular sport.

These athletes are provided a free education for 4-5 years, 3 very good meals a day and free Board and a stipen and leave at the end of their tenure with no bills what so ever.

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But they make millions for the school and put in far beyond a normal student. It's not so simple.

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I make millions for my company too. But I don't get to get a slice of that outside of my salary (scholarship) and any bonus the company decides I am worthy of.

Doc also didn't mention the other perks that athletes have at their disposal that normal students don't:

• Top of the line athletic facilities (not just the stadium) - weight room, sports complexes, etc.
• Special facilities for athletes only complete with video game rooms, movie rooms, rooms to just hang out in with pool tables, etc.
• Tutors at no cost to them for any subject they need, along with facilities dedicated to giving them a place to use those tutors, study, etc. (including copies of tests, etc. - always has been that way)
• Top of the line nutritional plans, their own cafeteria, etc.
• Access to school doctors, trainers, etc.

Go watch some of the episodes of The Pulse - can't remember which one this season, but the entire episode was a tour of the football facilities not named Kyle Field and what all they have available.

There has always been a two way street with college athletics (both over the table and under the table). It's a relatively new phenomenon that has created this idea that "they make money for the schools, so they should get money too!" has taken over.

I think some tweaks were probably needed, but the pendulum has swung so far the other direction now that college sports across the board is a sht show when it comes to recruiting, the portal and who is on a team from year to year. I'd rather see the portal go away and straight up trades occur versus the crap that it has become now.

My .02 observation:

Of the 12 playoff teams, seven of them lost 20 or fewer players in the transfer portal after the 2023 season. These teams are:

• Oregon - 20 players
• Notre Dame - 18
• Boise State - 17
• SMU - 16
• Tennessee - 15
• Penn State - 13
• Clemson - 12

3 teams lost around 25 players:

• Texas - 24
• Georgia - 24
• Ohio State -25

Arizona State lost 29

And only one team lost more players to the portal than us (we lost 31) after the 2023 season - Indiana with 39.

Only 3 teams in the playoff ended the year unranked in 2023: Indiana, Arizona State, Boise State. Two of those three lost the most players to the portal; however, of note are the following:

• Indiana hired a highly successful Division II and FCS coach in Curt Cignetti.
• Arizona State joined the Big 12

We are mired in mediocrity and really needed Elko to have a year like Indiana is having, because, I believe, next year will be one of those losing seasons.

Players that transfer should have to repay a portion of their NIL back to the university. Similar to the way some companies make you pay back a portion of a sign on bonus if you leave within a certain amount of time after the start date.

aggiefan09 said:

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Players that transfer should have to repay a portion of their NIL back to the university. Similar to the way some companies make you pay back a portion of a sign on bonus if you leave within a certain amount of time after the start date.

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No they shouldn't. This forbids of their name, image, and likeness either paid for and benefiting the university (required by House settlement) or potential use of Znsme, image, and likeness by a business that extended an external NIL offer as allowed by Texas law agd NCAA capitulation age also covered by the House settlement.

Unless your goal is to cause our Universuty to lose more lawsuits and pay out more money like we did in Bonfire and could have in ticket pull.

Stop, research your position, think about outcomes, quit trying to control athletes like slaves. It's uncomely for a school that practiced racial and sexual discrimination and had Confederate generals as leaders…

TxAg76 said:

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Doc Hayworth said:

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I'm sure it's been discussed before, but IMO, transfer rules need to change to give programs some type of stability.
1) player can transfer with no loss of eligibility to any other team, Once.
2) if player transfers a second time, he sits out and loses a year of eligibility.
Every time they transfer costs them a year of eligibility.

Something like this would definitely slow down guys transferring every year like many are doing,

All based on no coaching change.
Just my .02

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Take it a step further, and weave NIL into it.

1. Give each player a stipend, uniform amount, across the board. Any amount would be more than they were getting before NIL went nuts.

2. All players are wide open to all available NIL opportunities. They can watch it stack up, in an interest bearing account, but they can't touch it until
- they finish their degree, or
- they have a career ending injury, or
- if they go pro early, that's great....give them 5 extra years to still finish their degree. No degree? Sorry, no dollars.

3. Should they transfer away from current school, they forfeit the NIL accumulated while at current school, and they start from scratch at the new school. The forfeited money gets redistributed to players on current team.

4. Coach leaves? If they stay, everything keeps running as typical. But should they transfer out due to coach leaving, they get to take NIL with them.

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Sweet mother of nanny state. You want to tell someone they aren't entitled to the money they earned unless they meet some unrelated goal you think is important?

So if in 2012 JFF entered a legal agreement to do an autograph session at the Chicken, you want a third party with no legal standing in the transaction (the school) to control the money? JFF provided the service he was contracted to do. The Chicken benefited from the increased traffic. Two cognizant parties signed a mutually beneficial agreement. But you want the school, who the SCOTUS said has no authority to intervene, to withhold JFF's earnings until he completes some goal he may have no interest in at all.

This is a special level of govern me harder daddy. Why don't we have the TexAgs withhold your earnings until you sell 4000 boxes of Girl Scout cookies?

ETA: I can't get past how terrible this idea is. Let's have A&M confiscate the paychecks of ever student working part time off campus. If they graduate when a random TA poster wants them to, they get their money. If not, it will be distributed among the students in MATH 141 who had nothing to do with the work performed.

This screams "I hate seeing other people succeed"