Jimbo brought in an epic number of 5* talents that amounted to either absolutely nothing or ended up playing like a 3*.

They will no doubt make a documentary on the highest rated class of all time in '22. There's not a single 5* talent from that class left on this team outside of Shemar Stewart, who is likely draft bound now. But even he didn't quite live up to his billing.

Walter Nolen
Evan Stewart
Shemar Stewart
Connor Weigman
GBD
LV Overton
Chris Marshal
Anthony Lucas

These guys didn't just transfer, they're all busts. Shemar is the best of the bunch and that's not saying much. Evan Stewart and Walter Nolen play like a 3*.

Malick Sylla was the top rated 5* in '23 then reclassified to '22 and dropped to 4*.

The amount of 5* busts is inexplicable. And don't get me started on all the other 5* busts that have come through Aggieland. That 5* label doesn't seem to mean much these days.

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They will no doubt make a documentary on the highest rated class of all time in '22.

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I doubt it. Most of CFB has already forgotten most of that class existed.

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Jimbo brought in an epic number of 5* talents that amounted to either absolutely nothing or ended up playing like a 3*.

They will no doubt make a documentary on the highest rated class of all time in '22. There's not a single 5* talent from that class left on this team outside of Shemar Stewart, who is likely draft bound now. But even he didn't quite live up to his billing.

Walter Nolen
Evan Stewart
Shemar Stewart
Connor Weigman
GBD
LV Overton
Chris Marshal
Anthony Lucas

These guys didn't just transfer, they're all busts. Shemar is the best of the bunch and that's not saying much. Evan Stewart and Walter Nolen play like a 3*.

Malick Sylla was the top rated 5* in '23 then reclassified to '22 and dropped to 4*.

The amount of 5* busts is inexplicable. And don't get me started on all the other 5* busts that have come through Aggieland. That 5* label doesn't seem to mean much these days.

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We should hire him and fire him again?!!

How does this compare w/ other teams? Of course, not all 5 stars pan out. Is our luck any worse than others'?

Walter Nolen is a projected 1st round pick.

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Jimbo brought in an epic number of 5* talents that amounted to either absolutely nothing or ended up playing like a 3*.

They will no doubt make a documentary on the highest rated class of all time in '22. There's not a single 5* talent from that class left on this team outside of Shemar Stewart, who is likely draft bound now. But even he didn't quite live up to his billing.

Walter Nolen
Evan Stewart
Shemar Stewart
Connor Weigman
GBD
LV Overton
Chris Marshal
Anthony Lucas

These guys didn't just transfer, they're all busts. Shemar is the best of the bunch and that's not saying much. Evan Stewart and Walter Nolen play like a 3*.

Malick Sylla was the top rated 5* in '23 then reclassified to '22 and dropped to 4*.

The amount of 5* busts is inexplicable. And don't get me started on all the other 5* busts that have come through Aggieland. That 5* label doesn't seem to mean much these days.

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I think it strange these athletes bombed. Could it be A&M is notorious for player development and coaching? Thats the way it's been for decades!

that 22 class is an absolute failure on every front.

the players lack of discipline
coaches lack of coaching
recruiting sites evaluations

just a tragic miss on every level.

Walter Nolen starts for Ole Miss
LT Overton starts for Alabama
Anthony Lucas has played a lot for USC
Evan Stewart starts for Oregon

Overton, Stewart Stewart and Nolen are not busts. 5 star doesn't mean automatically an elite college player. It generally means a better chance than others at being a productive college player.

Turns out 18 year olds who prioritize money over development and performance fizzle out. Who woulda thought??

Nolen is probably going 1st round. He also had his best year on a team that he didn't have nearly as much DL help as he had here.

Stewart is the second leading receiver on one of the best offenses in college football. If he stays, he'll be the #1 receiver on that team.

I think the few still here that are entering the transfer portal will do well at their next stops. Jimbo and Co allowed that locker room to get royally ****ed. There was no leadership and no accountability. I wish they could have figured it out here but it seems there are too much bad juju from the Jimbo years and they need a new start. I commend Shemar for seemingly being the only one who could get his head on straight.

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Overton, Stewart Stewart and Nolen are not busts. 5 star doesn't mean automatically an elite college player. It generally means a better chance than others at being a productive college player.

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Yes it does: 5* means they are projected to become 1st round draft picks in the nfl, hence why there are only 32 of them.

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Overton, Stewart Stewart and Nolen are not busts. 5 star doesn't mean automatically an elite college player. It generally means a better chance than others at being a productive college player.

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Yes it does: 5* means they are projected to become 1st round draft picks in the nfl, hence why there are only 32 of them.

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It means they have a bigger percentage chance. That's all it means. Which is true and has been proven true. It doesn't mean they'll all be 1st rounders. 1st round draft picks who don't become all pro or HOF but are otherwise productive in the league are not busts.

A lot of the guys you mentioned are not busts. Sorry.

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Walter Nolen is a projected 1st round pick.

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Whoever wastes a 1st round draft pick on him will be in the same boat as whoever wastes their pick on Ewers. Neither are worthy.

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Overton, Stewart Stewart and Nolen are not busts. 5 star doesn't mean automatically an elite college player. It generally means a better chance than others at being a productive college player.

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Yes it does: 5* means they are projected to become 1st round draft picks in the nfl, hence why there are only 32 of them.

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It means they have a bigger percentage chance. That's all it means. Which is true and has been proven true. It doesn't mean they'll all be 1st rounders.

A lot of the guys you mentioned are not busts. Sorry.

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The majority I listed are straight up busts. The others aren't much better, whether you like it or not.

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Walter Nolen starts for Ole Miss
LT Overton starts for Alabama
Anthony Lucas has played a lot for USC
Evan Stewart starts for Oregon

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Yep. The bias is strong on this thread.

maybe its not the player or coach.... maybe its the people who rank them.

They were never 5star players.

As of now I trust Elko to be able to weed through the bs..... Fisher and comp were to lazy to do this

and if Im wrong and they were truly 5star players then NIL ruined them and they got lazy because they got more money in one year than their family ever saw in 2years working and probably thought all they had to do was show up.... and thats on the player

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Overton, Stewart Stewart and Nolen are not busts. 5 star doesn't mean automatically an elite college player. It generally means a better chance than others at being a productive college player.

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Yes it does: 5* means they are projected to become 1st round draft picks in the nfl, hence why there are only 32 of them.

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It means they have a bigger percentage chance. That's all it means. Which is true and has been proven true. It doesn't mean they'll all be 1st rounders.

A lot of the guys you mentioned are not busts. Sorry.

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The majority I listed are straight up busts. The others aren't much better, whether you like it or not.

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Don't let me stop you from your narrative. Keep going.

Again, Nolen just had his best year playing a tougher schedule than we did

That convinces me that most/all assistant coaches don't have an infinite amount of time and unlimited skill set. Seems like Jimbo hire assistants that could recruit, at the expense of player development, or scheming to maximize a player's impact, or scouting, etc.

It's picking the right players and development. Compare to sips.

2024 - 2 5*, Simmons (DE), Wingo (WR)
2023 - 3 5*, Arch, Hill (LB), Baxter (RB)
2022 - 2 5*, Banks (OT), Campbell (OG)

Every one of them is a starter or for Simmons and Wingo significant playing time as true fish and Arch will be starter next year. Baxter blew his ACL but was the projected starter this year.

Too many data points to just be random. I think Jimbo's total lack of discipline is the major difference.

We recruited those players too...and didn't land them. It's not like tu knows how to develop as we had them heavy on our recruiting list (had Hill committed until Santucci effed that up).

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Walter Nolen starts for Ole Miss
LT Overton starts for Alabama
Anthony Lucas has played a lot for USC
Evan Stewart starts for Oregon

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Yep. The bias is strong on this thread.

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Lucas plays some for a bad usc team as a JR.
Overton had 2 sacks on the year.
Nolen had 6.5 sacks on the year. 1st round stuff huh.
Evan Stewart had 613 yards.

Bunch of world beaters. Reality has a weird bias apparently.

Maybe we have different definitions of what qualifies a great 5* talent, but this ain't it imo.

Have seen on several NFL boards that Nolen is definite 1st rd. It was a significant loss when he left regardless of pouting episodes.

EStew has had a good yr with the Ducks and we could have used his services (he was our best WR...only injury prone, but could beat a DB at LOS and run decent routes).

Lucas did well at USC (would have helped with depth at DT).

Fadil Diggs (not a 5 star) had a good yr w Sryacuse at DE (7.5 sacks...more than anyone one our DL this year).

Raikes was decent at Aub. (he did well vs. us ) and could have used him on DT depth.

We lost talent /depth....regardless.

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Walter Nolen starts for Ole Miss
LT Overton starts for Alabama
Anthony Lucas has played a lot for USC
Evan Stewart starts for Oregon

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Yep. The bias is strong on this thread.

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Lucas plays some for a bad usc team as a JR.
Overton had 2 sacks on the year.
Nolen had 6.5 sacks on the year. 1st round stuff huh.
Evan Stewart had 613 yards.

Bunch of world beaters. Reality has a weird bias apparently.

Maybe we have different definitions of what qualifies a great 5* talent, but this ain't it imo.

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Dude. 6.5 sacks at DT is really damn good. And it's actually 1.5 sacks more than our best player this year.

And Stewart is the within 50 yards of the leading receiver on the #1 team in the nation.

You're using terrible examples.

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Walter Nolen starts for Ole Miss
LT Overton starts for Alabama
Anthony Lucas has played a lot for USC
Evan Stewart starts for Oregon

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Yep. The bias is strong on this thread.

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Lucas plays some for a bad usc team as a JR.
Overton had 2 sacks on the year.
Nolen had 6.5 sacks on the year. 1st round stuff huh.
Evan Stewart had 613 yards.

Bunch of world beaters. Reality has a weird bias apparently.

Maybe we have different definitions of what qualifies a great 5* talent, but this ain't it imo.

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Dude. 6.5 sacks at DT is really damn good. And it's actually 1.5 sacks more than our best player this year.

And Stewart is the within 50 yards of the leading receiver on the #1 team in the nation.

You're using terrible examples.

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I would've liked to keep both Nolen and Stewart, but they still haven't lived up to their billing. Stewart is just one of 4 receivers with the 500-600 yard range. Stewart got beat by a 3* WR who is their #1.

Nolen is the best of the bunch but likely ain't slipping into the 1st round with Graham and Sanders ahead of him, and maybe even Burch and/or Lott.

Nolen is legit and will be an excellent NFL player.

Stewart has skills but I weigh more than him and I'm a skinny out of shape dude. Unless he has bulk up he's not going to make it in the pros

These young men may not have lived up to their high school hype, but more than likely they could have helped our team this year.

Isn't that the ultimate goal, to get and keep the best players that you can. It seems a difficult thing to do in Aggieland.

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Jimbo brought in an epic number of 5* talents that amounted to either absolutely nothing or ended up playing like a 3*.

They will no doubt make a documentary on the highest rated class of all time in '22. There's not a single 5* talent from that class left on this team outside of Shemar Stewart, who is likely draft bound now. But even he didn't quite live up to his billing.

Walter Nolen
Evan Stewart
Shemar Stewart
Connor Weigman
GBD
LV Overton
Chris Marshal
Anthony Lucas

These guys didn't just transfer, they're all busts. Shemar is the best of the bunch and that's not saying much. Evan Stewart and Walter Nolen play like a 3*.

Malick Sylla was the top rated 5* in '23 then reclassified to '22 and dropped to 4*.

The amount of 5* busts is inexplicable. And don't get me started on all the other 5* busts that have come through Aggieland. That 5* label doesn't seem to mean much these days.

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Evan Stewart is Oregon's second leading receiver in receptions, yards, and touchdowns. Oregon is the #1 team in the nation. Stewart is projected to be the 6th Wide Receiver drafted and a third round pick. You consider that playing like a 3*? You could maybe argue he isn't going as high in the draft as expected given his rating coming out of High School, but he is FAR from a bust and suggesting he plays like a 3* is ridiculous.

And as someone else said, Walter Nolen is projected as a mid-first round pick.

Seriously?

They may have been bust at A&M but not in college. We could have badly used Nolen as a true DT this year and 6.5 sacks is awesome, we needed a WR in Stewart as an explosive downfield weapon, Nic seemed tired at the end of the season where Lucas would have been good person for him to rotate with, Overton is looking to have a career in the NFL, and the jury is still out on Weigman. Heck even Foster is being talked about as an NFL center

Guys like Marshal are a bust.

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Jimbo brought in an epic number of 5* talents that amounted to either absolutely nothing or ended up playing like a 3*.

They will no doubt make a documentary on the highest rated class of all time in '22. There's not a single 5* talent from that class left on this team outside of Shemar Stewart, who is likely draft bound now. But even he didn't quite live up to his billing.

Walter Nolen
Evan Stewart
Shemar Stewart
Connor Weigman
GBD
LV Overton
Chris Marshal
Anthony Lucas

These guys didn't just transfer, they're all busts. Shemar is the best of the bunch and that's not saying much. Evan Stewart and Walter Nolen play like a 3*.

Malick Sylla was the top rated 5* in '23 then reclassified to '22 and dropped to 4*.

The amount of 5* busts is inexplicable. And don't get me started on all the other 5* busts that have come through Aggieland. That 5* label doesn't seem to mean much these days.

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Evan Stewart is Oregon's second leading receiver in receptions, yards, and touchdowns. Oregon is the #1 team in the nation. Stewart is projected to be the 6th Wide Receiver drafted and a third round pick. You consider that playing like a 3*? You could maybe argue he isn't going as high in the draft as expected given his rating coming out of High School, but he is FAR from a bust and suggesting he plays like a 3* is ridiculous.

And as someone else said, Walter Nolen is projected as a mid-first round pick.

Seriously?

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Yeah dude. They were all supposed to be multiple Heisman winners, and now they're just run of the mill high draft picks. Don't you understand how hyped up they were and how disappointing this is?

Bill Superman said:

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Jimbo brought in an epic number of 5* talents that amounted to either absolutely nothing or ended up playing like a 3*.

They will no doubt make a documentary on the highest rated class of all time in '22. There's not a single 5* talent from that class left on this team outside of Shemar Stewart, who is likely draft bound now. But even he didn't quite live up to his billing.

Walter Nolen
Evan Stewart
Shemar Stewart
Connor Weigman
GBD
LV Overton
Chris Marshal
Anthony Lucas

These guys didn't just transfer, they're all busts. Shemar is the best of the bunch and that's not saying much. Evan Stewart and Walter Nolen play like a 3*.

Malick Sylla was the top rated 5* in '23 then reclassified to '22 and dropped to 4*.

The amount of 5* busts is inexplicable. And don't get me started on all the other 5* busts that have come through Aggieland. That 5* label doesn't seem to mean much these days.

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The common denominator is the coaching staff which may indicate a coaching bust. The failure to coach these "prima donnas " is indicative of our football program past, present and, hopefully, not the future.

Bill Superman said:

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Jimbo brought in an epic number of 5* talents that amounted to either absolutely nothing or ended up playing like a 3*.

They will no doubt make a documentary on the highest rated class of all time in '22. There's not a single 5* talent from that class left on this team outside of Shemar Stewart, who is likely draft bound now. But even he didn't quite live up to his billing.

Walter Nolen
Evan Stewart
Shemar Stewart
Connor Weigman
GBD
LV Overton
Chris Marshal
Anthony Lucas

These guys didn't just transfer, they're all busts. Shemar is the best of the bunch and that's not saying much. Evan Stewart and Walter Nolen play like a 3*.

Malick Sylla was the top rated 5* in '23 then reclassified to '22 and dropped to 4*.

The amount of 5* busts is inexplicable. And don't get me started on all the other 5* busts that have come through Aggieland. That 5* label doesn't seem to mean much these days.

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Roughly half of 5* players get drafted, and maybe 1 out of every 6 gets drafted in the first round. Of that list, Nolen is likely to be drafted first round, and both Stewarts should get drafted as well as LT Overton. Maybe Anthony Lucas as well. That is pretty consistent with the average hit rate for 5* overall.

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Bill Superman said:

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Jimbo brought in an epic number of 5* talents that amounted to either absolutely nothing or ended up playing like a 3*.

They will no doubt make a documentary on the highest rated class of all time in '22. There's not a single 5* talent from that class left on this team outside of Shemar Stewart, who is likely draft bound now. But even he didn't quite live up to his billing.

Walter Nolen
Evan Stewart
Shemar Stewart
Connor Weigman
GBD
LV Overton
Chris Marshal
Anthony Lucas

These guys didn't just transfer, they're all busts. Shemar is the best of the bunch and that's not saying much. Evan Stewart and Walter Nolen play like a 3*.

Malick Sylla was the top rated 5* in '23 then reclassified to '22 and dropped to 4*.

The amount of 5* busts is inexplicable. And don't get me started on all the other 5* busts that have come through Aggieland. That 5* label doesn't seem to mean much these days.

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Roughly half of 5* players get drafted, and maybe 1 out of every 6 gets drafted in the first round. Of that list, Nolen is likely to be drafted first round, and both Stewarts should get drafted as well as LT Overton. Maybe Anthony Lucas as well. That is pretty consistent with the average hit rate for 5* overall.

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Well, sounds like any bozo in the zoo could take just as good of a guess as the media heads and be just as accurate with those numbers. Maybe I'm just not as impressed by that as y'all are.

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These young men may not have lived up to their high school hype, but more than likely they could have helped our team this year.

Isn't that the ultimate goal, to get and keep the best players that you can. It seems a difficult thing to do in Aggieland.

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Yeah, the zoo still thinks it was the greatest class of all time apparently. One of the 5*'s has a chance to make the 1st round in draft maybe if he's not beat out by the other 4 guys projected ahead of him, another projects as a 3rd rounder, the rest not much beyond some playing time. But don't dare call them busts.

We clearly could have used any help we could get. But again, this class was an epic bust for us and it's not because 2 of the guys that left have some level of production.

Not all 5*'s are made the same.