lol. Old enough to know you don't know ball.

Love the example of Haynes King. Led Georgia Tech to a 7-5 year, that is ELITE.

SourLakeAg said:

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Love the example of Haynes King. Led Georgia Tech to a 7-5 year, that is ELITE.

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72.5% completion
11-1 TD to INT ratio
Almost 600 yards of rushing and 11 TDs to go with it.

Check what he did the year before (much less what he did here) and he took a MASSIVE leap forward. Almost like he received some quality coaching or something.

SourLakeAg said:

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lol. Old enough to know you don't know ball.

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on an anonymous internet board, everyone is Nick Saban.

No, it's not almost like that. It IS that he is now a 5th year senior and very experienced player. In 2021 we lost to App. State with King at QB as a RS Fr. and he was absolutely terrible, missed wide open WRs the entire game and had tons of time to throw.

Experienced college QBs are usually much better than FR, RS FR, and RS So. for a reason. The Indiana QB would have maybe won 10 games for A&M this season.

We don't need a 5* rated QB recruit, as much as we need a QB who is developed into and plays like a 5* QB on gameday.

Reed has an extremely high ceiling and potential.

I've got nothing against Reed at all. He needs to work on his accuracy, but generally one does that under the guidance of a coach, right? Sometimes your position coach. Sometimes a private one.

I doubt anyone can suggest with a straight face that King has the same progress under Jimbo that he did in two years at GT. And it's not just the ACC defense. He got markedly better in one year against those same defenses.

It blows my mind that people are arguing that coaches don't have a massive impact on player development and progression.

Nobody is arguing that but you are defeating your own argument by ignoring the experience factor. To compare King at A&M under Jimbo vs. King as a 5th year Sr. is ridiculous.

Kellen Mond sucked when Jimbo became his coach. Mond was an excellent college QB his Sr. year.. when he was a 3 year starter under Jimbo.

Really, Reed has things he needs to work on? Newsflash, RS Fr. college QB with 7 starts isn't as good as upper classmen with 20+ starts. Shocking.

By your warped metrics no QB would ever develop. Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Kyle Allen, Tim Tebow, Vince Young all would have been benched in their FR or RS Fr. year of college and never see the field again and not become what they did.

31. Been watching Aggie football for over 20 years, how old are you?

If you honestly look at our grooming and development of QBs over say the last 10-20 years, I can't imagine why any five star would consider us.

Perfectly said!

For reference Garrett Gilbert was the 2nd rated QB in his class and Conner was number 3 in his class.

These things don't need to be over analyzed, it happens.

Both had a few good moments but the fact is that the injury Conner sustained last year did something to him mentally.

I'm sure he'll get past it but I don't think he was the QB for the future here even before the injury.

Sure the Oline didn't do him any favors at time but everyone here as seen some of his film from this year even when he has time to throw. And it's very easy to read high coverages versus college and the speed of SEC db's.

He just looked overwhelmed and frantic even when there was a clean pocket this year outside of the Mizzou game. Which leads me to believe as a coach there's something else going on with him and I hope he figures it out wherever he lands.

Something spooked him after mizzou and against Miss. St. and LSU.

Logic tells me that after getting hurt again vs ND and then ran up against a miss st team and lsu team with a little more overall size and speed than Missouri, he started looking overwhelmed his shoulder too much after Marcels performance against Florida. I know state was last in total D but we didn't run the ball for **** against them and I think he got frustrated knowing a mobile QB was right behind him waiting. Lost his confidence

Jarrin' Jay said:

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Nobody is arguing that but you are defeating your own argument by ignoring the experience factor. To compare King at A&M under Jimbo vs. King as a 5th year Sr. is ridiculous.

Kellen Mond sucked when Jimbo became his coach. Mond was an excellent college QB his Sr. year.. when he was a 3 year starter under Jimbo.

Really, Reed has things he needs to work on? Newsflash, RS Fr. college QB with 7 starts isn't as good as upper classmen with 20+ starts. Shocking.

By your warped metrics no QB would ever develop. Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Kyle Allen, Tim Tebow, Vince Young all would have been benched in their FR or RS Fr. year of college and never see the field again and not become what they did.

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Several on this thread said CW is solely at fault and not the coaches. If you didn't read that you entered into this conversation without the context.

The question I asked you was do you think 5th year King here under Jimbo is the same 5th year King that is currently at GT?

Next question: when QBs (or any player for that matter) make mistakes, do they just note to themselves "I won't do that again" or do they have highly paid coaches walking them through what just went wrong and teaching them how to get better?

That is excluded from the equation of saying this is all on CW.

And for the record, outside of interceptions, Mond's stats are near identical from his sophomore year to his senior. He actually regressed slightly his Junior year. His total yards per game went down his senior year, but I'll give that to the all SEC schedule. So no, I don't think he actually got any better here. I think he showed up with all the tools necessary and probably got to the peak of what he could do with the coaching he had. And all of that was before the disaster recruiting class. I think there is a lot of evidence that Jimbo and co mailed it in the last few years. Addazio? Really?

Lastly, I don't know why you keep bringing Reed into this. I haven't compared him to either QB

ETA: it's funny you mention benching because that's exactly what happened to King here under Jimbo

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Conner was was one of the top QB's in the country last year pre-injury. To say he was a bust talent wise is a moronic statement. NFL scouts were extremely high on him coming into this season. Something happened whether it was the injury causing happy feet or struggling to learn his 3rd offense in 3 years that never really seemed to fit his style of play. It's not a lack of talent. Was either injury or coaching.

I'd be shocked if he doesn't look awesome wherever he lands and ends up as a pretty highly drafted QB in a year or so.

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100% fan fiction. He did nothing here and was not on any legit draft boards

SourLakeAg said:

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31. Been watching Aggie football for over 20 years, how old are you?

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I've been watching Aggie Football for 30 years (1995 onward when I went to A&M). Though for a couple of years it would an overstatement to say "followed".

31? I honestly thought you were around my age. Apparently not.

Too bad one if these guys can't take the field again.

We do need a 5star qb next class. Not for the reasons mentioned but to be the bell cow of the class. Just like Deboer class this year ended up with Russell even if he never plays a down he brought talent and excitement to that class. Saban is gone they pay pennies on the dollar and still finish top 3. That's what a 5star qb does.

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I've already mentioned that Miles O could be very very good. He is a big kid and moves well. He stands tall in the pocket, has good pocket awareness, has touch, and arm strength.

I expect he adds 10 lbs which puts him at 6'5 230 lbs. It will ne year 2 under Klein's O so I am not betting against him.

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"Klein's O", like that means something positive. Lol

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It actually does. If he knows precisely what is supposed to happen and why, and can actually execute it. He won't panic in the pocket and he tends to alow routes to develop. His size makes a lot of difference because he can take hits.
Against New MSt he got hit twice as he released the ball, just stood there and made the completion, got up and ran back the LOS.

Doesn't everybody?

But what we need more is elite OL and DL. Probably said a million times on this board but football hasn't changed, to consistently win, gotta be able to run and stop the run.

Aggies could do neither against Texas. Texas could do both. It is a really simple game when you get that concept down. Just go ask Saban.

Sure I want a complete team but it starts on the lines. I can be a playoff team with dominant lines and 3 stars elsewhere.

Who?

The ghost? That kid that came from nowhere and was gone as quickly as he came?

Left a faint memory but nobody actually knows who he was. Like a ghost.

Any head coach would be smart to take a two pronged approach to QBs:

1) Recruit the best HS QB you can in each class, in hopes you can develop (and keep) him.
2) Buy the best transfer QB from the portal each year, knowing you won't keep each HS QB you sign. 5 of the current top 10 teams have a transfer starting at QB.

What we need is a QB will balks and isn't afraid to adjust the play before snap to save the coaches ass.

I think Steamin Willy Beaman was only a 3 star recruit when he signed with UofH. Nvm, he was a 4 star

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We have no money to offer a five star qb. People don't understand nil. No money equals no talent. Period. tu is killing it in nil. We just can't keep up.

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This sounds like a line out an SEC Shorts video. Cry Baby.

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Love the example of Haynes King. Led Georgia Tech to a 7-5 year, that is ELITE.

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Two of their losses came when he was out and one of them was an "8OT" loss to Georgia. King has been very good this year.

How many of Saban's QBs, past Tua/Hurts, were legit NFL level starters?

I'm happy having a solid college QB running an effective offense. 5* anything doesn't guarantee results.

See on Twitter and thought of this thread:

OU has recruited 8 5* QBs. Of the 8, only 1 finished with OU and that individual (Bell) was not the starter.

A&M has had similar experiences.

Quarterbacks on potential playoff teams:
1. Oregon - Dillon Gabriel - three star out of high school...he was class of 2019 and has transferred multiple times
2. Texas - Quinn Ewers - five star, class of 2021, transferred
3. Penn. St. - Drew Allar - five star, class of 2022
4. Notre Dame - Riley Leonard - three star, class of 2021, transferred
5. Georgia - Carson Beck - four star, class of 2021
6. Ohio St. - Will Howard - three star, class of 2020, transferred
7. Tennessee - Nico Iamaleava - five star, class of 2023
8. SMU - Kevin Jennings - three star, class of 2022
9. Indiana - Kevin Rourke - two star, class of 2019, transferred
10. Boise St. - Maddux Madsen - three star, class of 2022
11. Alabama - Jalen Milroe - four star, class of 2021
12. Miami - Cam Ward - unranked, class of 2020, transferred
13. Ole Miss - Jaxson Dart - four star, class of 2021, transferred
14. South Carolina - LaNorris Sellers - four star, class of 2023
15. Arizona St. - Sam Leavitt - four star, class of 2023, transferred
16. Iowa St. - Rocco Becht - three star, class of 2022
17. Clemson - Kade Clubnik - five star, class of 2022

Only four of the teams ranked in the top 17 have QBs that were ranked as five stars out of high school.

Eight of the 17 QBs have transferred at least once.

Only three of the 17 QBs come from the class of 2023, meaning that 14/17 QBs in the potential playoff field have more than three years of experience in college. It seems like the most important factor is experience.

Go write check, big boy.

Dude CW missed so many wide open WRs it's not even funny

He looked like a deer in headlights

The moment was to big for him

I have read a few rumors of us getting the WSU QB for a yr. Any insiders have other info.

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It was absolutely the OL and Klein that are to blame. I would like to see more toughness and a better sideline mentality, but he played the cards he was dealt.

The difference between Marcel and CW is that Marcel can escape the pressure after the WRs aren't open and OL fail their assignments again

So many plays where CW was close to busting it open that it haunts me. LSU right before half he had a wide open seam route for a TD but the OL allowed the ball to get batted down

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Weigman didn't look that great last year before he got hurt.

There is something to be said about a QB (3* or 5*) success and his supporting cast.

JFF was a 3*, but had arguably the best OL & WR group in A&M history. Every starter from the 2012 offense played in the NFL except Ryan Swope who retired after being drafted.

CW, on the other hand, had an average OL at best and below average WR group.

A generational talent will make those around him better; however, we still can't give JFF all the credit just like we can't give CW all the blame.

Highest graded PFF and on every preseason watch list