anyone have any idea how many holding penalties we have been called for in that same time period? i think that would be very interesting information as well.

Apparently 8

czar_iv said:

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Elko should task some on his team to create a Youtube channel to highlight these missed holding penalties. When everyone is seeing it, the SEC office might actually address it. Right now, he is just saying it without any tangible evidence.

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Welp, Disney & co. control the rights to all footage of such bias. See, the public needs their express written consent before we could even dream of exposing their bias. You can count on any such channel getting DMCA'd into oblivion.

Posted this on the other thread.

Someone needs to confirm this - as there are a lot of "fake stats" posted out there in the X-verse.

Last week or whenever it was I was watching the end of the South Carolina vs Missouri game. The SC coach Beamer was actually hugging one of the officials prior to the game ending. There is definitely some bias with the crews that work these games.

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Sterling82 said:

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Come on everyone. It stands to reason with our lack of talent on the DL. But seriously, this feels like it's been going on for years, at least back to the Myles Garrett fiasco at Auburn.

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Auburn? I remember an Arkansas lineman ripped Garrett's shirt completely off his back and no holding was called.

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In the Auburn one, their OT basically horse collar tackled MG with the ref looking straight at it.

It was beyond ridiculous.

Fanatic15...Drs2B! said:

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Posted this on the other thread.

Someone needs to confirm this - as there are a lot of "fake stats" posted out there in the X-verse.

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I think the stats comes from a premium texags article just posted on X

but I will double check this because I'm a crazy SOB

ag0207 said:

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Last week or whenever it was I was watching the end of the South Carolina vs Missouri game. The SC coach Beamer was actually hugging one of the officials prior to the game ending. There is definitely some bias with the crews that work these games.

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Yep. I wish we had mountain west refs for this weeks game. No one is completely unbiased, but the less connection to either two teams, the better.

Last holding call against opponents
Bowling Green

• (14:50 - 2nd) Connor Bazelak pass complete to Harold Fannin Jr. for 21 yds Bowling Green Penalty, Offensive Holding (-10 Yards) to the TA&M 18

Mizzou ***SPECIAL TEAMS***

• (2:08 - 3rd) Tyler White punt for 38 yds, fair catch by Luther Burden III at the MIZ 47 Missouri Penalty, Offensive Holding (10 Yards) to the MIZ 37

Offensive holding calls on us since then
Bowling Green

• (1:53 - 2nd) QB Keeper REED, Marcel rush up the middle for a gain of 3 yards to the BG48 (SIMMS, Trent), clock 01:48. PENALTY AM Holding on BISONTIS, Chase enforced 10 yards from the AM49 to the AM39 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).

Mizzou

• (10:48 - 2nd) Moss, Le'Veon rush for 5 yards to the TA&M31, PENALTY TA&M holding (Fatheree II, Reuben) 10 yards to the TA&M16, NO PLAY.
• (13:00 - 3rd) Weigman, Conner pass complete to Watson, Tre for 8 yards to the TA&M47, PENALTY TA&M holding 10 yards to the TA&M29, NO PLAY.
• (3:06 - 3rd) Daniels, Amari rush for 19 yards to the TA&M37, PENALTY TA&M holding (Bisontis, Chase) 9 yards to the TA&M9, NO PLAY.

MSST

• (12:52 - 4th) MOSS, Le'Veon rush up the middle for a gain of 38 yards to the STATE40 (JONES, Kelley), clock 12:45. PENALTY TEXAS Holding on REED-ADAMS, Armaj enforced 10 yards from the TEXAS22 to the TEXAS12 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).

LSU

• (7:02 - 2nd) EJ Smith run for 1 yd to the TA&M 49 Texas A&M Penalty, Offensive Holding (Kolinu'u Faaiu) to the TA&M 41

NMst

• (12:01 - 2nd) REED, Marcel pass to the left complete for 7 yards to BUSSEY, Terry caught at the TAMU49 and advanced to the TAMU49 (HOBBS, Dakerric;MARTINEZ, Tyler), clock 11:55. PENALTY TAMU Holding on SHANAHAN, TJ enforced 11 yards from the TAMU42 to the TAMU31 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).

Auburn

• (12:11 - 2nd) DANIELS, Amari rush up the middle for a gain of 6 yards to the TAMU48 (ASANTE, Eugene), clock 12:07. PENALTY TAMU Holding on REED-ADAMS, Armaj enforced 10 yards from the TAMU42 to the TAMU32 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).
• (OT) DANIELS, Amari rush to the left for a gain of 7 yards to the AUBURN18 (KEYS, Austin;HARRIS, Kaleb). PENALTY TAMU Holding on CALHOUN, Shane enforced 10 yards from the AUBURN25 to the AUBURN35 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).

Defensive holding calls on us since then
Arkansas
(1:59 - 3rd) Texas A&M Penalty, Defensive Holding (10 Yards) to the ARK 36 for a 1ST down
MSST

• (6:18 - 3rd) VAN BUREN JR., Michael sacked for a loss of 3 yards at the STATE15 (WILLIAMS, Scooby;MAYES, BJ), clock 06:13. PENALTY TEXAS Holding on HOWELL, Cashius enforced 10 yards from the STATE18 to the STATE28 and results in automatic 1ST DOWN [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).
• (3:40 - 4th) VAN BUREN JR., Michael pass to the right incomplete intended for BOOTH, Davon thrown to the STATE46. PENALTY TEXAS Holding on MAYES, BJ enforced 10 yards from the STATE37 to the STATE47 and results in automatic 1ST DOWN [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).

USCe

• (0:08 - 2nd) Texas A&M Penalty, Defensive Holding (BJ Mayes) to the TA&M 26 for a 1ST down
• (3:46 - 3rd) Texas A&M Penalty, Defensive Holding (Will Lee III) to the SC 42 for a 1ST down

***only defensive holding call against our opponent was New Mexico State (0:38 - 2nd)***

Edit: Misattributed a holding call to A&M that was against Mizzou because it appeared under the A&M play. Clarified that 30 quarters is right!

The last time in SEC play that an A&M opponent was called for offensive holding during an offensive drive was early in the third quarter at Florida. Since the 4th quarter of the Florida game I cannot find another instance of offensive holding be called against an A&M opponent during an offensive drive. That means 25 straight quarters of SEC play and more than 30 quarters against all opponents without a holding call against an A&M opponent. Bowling Green was the next game after Florida so the stat of 30+ quarters is true if you exclude the holding on a punt which was not called on the Mizzou offensive line.

In that same period of time A&M has been called for offensive holding 8 times.

Below are all the instances of holding being called against A&M and against our opponents:

Against A&M

• FL (14:01 - 1st) Moss, Le'Veon rush for no gain to the TA&M24, PENALTY TA&M holding 10 yards to the TA&M14, NO PLAY.
• FL (1:40 - 2nd) Moss, Le'Veon rush for 1 yard to the FLA18, PENALTY TA&M holding 10 yards to the FLA29, NO PLAY.
• MIZZOU (10:48 - 2nd) Moss, Le'Veon rush for 5 yards to the TA&M31, PENALTY TA&M holding (Fatheree II, Reuben) 10 yards to the TA&M16, NO PLAY.
• MIZZOU (13:00 - 3rd) Weigman, Conner pass complete to Watson, Tre for 8 yards to the TA&M47, PENALTY TA&M holding 10 yards to the TA&M29, NO PLAY.
• MIZZOU (3:06 - 3rd) Daniels, Amari rush for 19 yards to the TA&M37, PENALTY TA&M holding (Bisontis, Chase) 9 yards to the TA&M9, NO PLAY.
• MIZZOU (10:48 - 2nd) Moss, Le'Veon rush for 5 yards to the TA&M31, PENALTY TA&M holding (Fatheree II, Reuben) 10 yards to the TA&M16, NO PLAY.
• MISS ST(12:52 - 4th) MOSS, Le'Veon rush up the middle for a gain of 38 yards to the STATE40 (JONES, Kelley), clock 12:45. PENALTY TEXAS Holding on REED-ADAMS, Armaj enforced 10 yards from the TEXAS22 to the TEXAS12 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).
• LSU (7:02 - 2nd) EJ Smith run for 1 yd to the TA&M 49 Texas A&M Penalty, Offensive Holding (Kolinu'u Faaiu) to the TA&M 41
• AUB (12:11 - 2nd) DANIELS, Amari rush up the middle for a gain of 6 yards to the TAMU48 (ASANTE, Eugene), clock 12:07. PENALTY TAMU Holding on REED-ADAMS, Armaj enforced 10 yards from the TAMU42 to the TAMU32 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).
• AUB (OT) DANIELS, Amari rush to the left for a gain of 7 yards to the AUBURN18 (KEYS, Austin;HARRIS, Kaleb). PENALTY TAMU Holding on CALHOUN, Shane enforced 10 yards from the AUBURN25 to the AUBURN35 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).

Against A&M opponents:

• FL (0:43 - 2nd) Florida Penalty, Offensive Holding (-10 Yards) to the FLA 15
• FL (13:45 - 3rd) Graham Mertz pass complete to Elijhah Badger for 38 yds to the TA&M 16 for a 1ST down Florida Penalty, Offensive Holding (-10 Yards) to the TA&M 26 for a 1ST down
• MIZZOU (2:08 - 3rd) Tyler White punt for 38 yds, fair catch by Luther Burden III at the MIZ 47 Missouri Penalty, Offensive Holding (10 Yards) to the MIZ 37

BG was after Florida

Yeah but only looking at SEC play since that is where it is most egregious but you are correct.

Theoretically it's possible this is legit but extremely unlikely. Not saying it's some SEC conspiracy but you have to think there is a bias against us.

yeah because it's spread across so many games I think conspiracy is a difficult case, but bias seems pretty strong against the aggies for sure

OMB100GAS said:

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Last holding call against opponents


Auburn

• (12:11 - 2nd) DANIELS, Amari rush up the middle for a gain of 6 yards to the TAMU48 (ASANTE, Eugene), clock 12:07. PENALTY TAMU Holding on REED-ADAMS, Armaj enforced 10 yards from the TAMU42 to the TAMU32 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).
• (OT) DANIELS, Amari rush to the left for a gain of 7 yards to the AUBURN18 (KEYS, Austin;HARRIS, Kaleb). PENALTY TAMU Holding on CALHOUN, Shane enforced 10 yards from the AUBURN25 to the AUBURN35 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).

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That OT holding against us was infuriating. Not because it didn't happen. But because it didn't really affect the play, had more to do with the defender drastically changing his body positioning at the last second while engaged with an OL, and was immediately after the referees entertained Freeze for 3 mins between possessions after he was called for an offensive pass interference penalty that was absolutely a good call.

I'm unsure about this, but does that exclude holding penalties called, but declined?

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vander54 said:

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I will say when your strength on defense is your DL and other teams are getting away with holds it nuetralizes our strength and our defense overall.

So this could explain some of the reason or D has stumbled. Definitely not all of it but it has to be a factor unless you beleive other teams are doing a great jovlb blocking against us and only us.

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South Carolina was the most penalized team in the SEC leading into our game. They ran the ball around the edges on us all night while only being called for a handful of procedural penalties. Meanwhile, we were called for holding, defensive holding, and pass interference.

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And IIRC their first penalty was in the 4th Q and it was movement. Something is rotten.

This is extremely discouraging. Statistically I'd say it's impossible.

Elko doing an absolutely terrible job at holding the refs accountable then. Good lord

OrygunAg said:

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You know the sips are gonna be holding calks

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Very disappointed in the zoo. It took this long to make a joke.

OrygunAg said:

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You know the sips are gonna be holding calks

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I figured 2 or 3rd comment before this was brought up...cant believe it went 2 pages.

I think there is something to this. Elko is generally a calm and nice guy, it's rare to seem him throw a fit. Meanwhile we have some drama queens across the field, hugh freeze's rat teeth were chomping at the refs

vander54 said:

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Theoretically it's possible this is legit but extremely unlikely. Not saying it's some SEC conspiracy but you have to think there is a bias against us.

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You'd have to look at across the league stats.

If everyone else has like ten holdings called on their behalf and we have one then huge case for bias

vander54 said:

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Theoretically it's possible this is legit but extremely unlikely. Not saying it's some SEC conspiracy but you have to think there is a bias against us.

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Except there are usually at least 4 or 5 blatant holds right at the point of attack on big plays by our opponents and NONE of them have been called.
Meanwhile, we have had several big plays nullified by holds

I was shocked that we didn't get called on two additional plays against Auburn where it looked pretty obvious.

The Banned said:

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I knew we were getting screwed, but not that bad. That's infuriating. Other teams have been flawless for 7 and half games?

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Everyone is flawless against us. This is why they always put up heisman performances.

We should just pay the refs. Make it obvious. Stop with all this in the shadows crap and during the coin flip have our captains hand the ref a stack of Benjamin's, followed with we won the coin toss without even flipping it.

Then each quarter have someone walk to each ref handing them 10k and a chicken wrap. Just pay them out in the open and burn the entire thing to the damn ground.

I've been saying for awhile that they should change holding to a 5-yard penalty. A rule that subjective and inconsistently applied shouldn't be completely killing drives when it is called.

I wonder if these refs are watching the game vs watching their assignment. That was obvious is his eyes were where they were supposed to be, but if he's watching the runner, it's easy to miss that hold.

I don't give a damn really, as long as it's called consistently on both sides.

It's not.

When one of you stat geeks has time I'd also like to know the amount of targeting calls ON us vs AGAINST us since joining the SEC. I'd bet it's even more egregious