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The Banned said:

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Ag1188 said:

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This is a pretty goofy explanation to me. Ewers has looked pathetic and racked up yards vs bad teams. Then this corrupt committee says, "they're a top passing offense" to justify overrating them when they've been mediocre for the last month.

Why is the gap between #3 Texas and #10 Georgia so wide, considering the Dawgs beat the Longhorns in Austin? pic.twitter.com/q2qlD7J5uh

— SEC Mike (@MichaelWBratton) November 20, 2024

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Subjectivity at its finest. Complete and utter brand bias.

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Reminds me of recruiting.

Lesser brand gets a commit from a kid: "Has potential, but hasn't really shown a ton on the field. Will need to be developed. Low 3*"
Bigger brand flips the kid: "Super high ceiling. Raw with incredible potential. Just scratching the surface of his abilities once developed. High 4*"

Wicked Good Ag said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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fightinag said:

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Although many may say different.....the loss to uSC is a killer even if we win out !
Unless we make the idiotic conference championship game and win it !

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But losing to Kentucky, a FAR worse team, is not killer. And losing to Arkansas while putting up zero offense is not killer. Losing to NIU is not killer.

Stop with this crap. It's just not true. We are being held to a standard other teams aren't.

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Completely disagree with this

1. Of all the two loss teams in the SEC they have beaten someone pretty big we havent , BUT we can in two weeks

2. And everyone arguing why Texas is ahead of Georgia who beat them...losses matter Texas has 1 Georgia has two

3. Beat Auburn and Texas and everything about the two loss teams above us doesnt apply anymore ...then you can look at conspiracies all you want.

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1. Correct, sort of. LSU dropping to Florida killed us. Missouri tanking killed us. But we STILL have 2 even remotely quality wins more than Texas does and no losses to teams outside of the top 25. Ole Miss has 1 quality win and a terrible loss. Tennessee has 1 quality win and a terrible loss. We are being punished for losing to South Carolina and not given any credit for any wins. Other teams are given insane credit for a single good win, and some for no good wins, while not being punished much at all for really bad losses. It's a double standard. Measuring Texas by the way we are measured should have them ranked BELOW where we were before we lost to SC. Because we had quality wins at that point. They don't.

2. Losses matter. So does actually playing someone. Georgia has played Texas, Ole Miss, Alabama, Clemson, and Tennessee, going 3-2 in those games. For those keeping score, every one of those teams is in the top 20 and 4 of 5 are in the top 11. Sure, Texas has one loss. But they have only played 1 top 25 team and got smoked at home. That same team has played 5 top 25 teams. A non-biased and non-subjective committee doesn't even think about putting Texas over Georgia. That's straight up idiotic and shows a lack of IQ to even be considered.

3. Yes, if we win all our games we are in. That's not the point. Only 4 teams are automatic. That means 8 teams are subjectively selected. Which means how that subjectiveness is measured matters, as you can still get in without winning your conference. And looking at their subjective standards, it's straight up garbage. Any time you hold 1 team to a standard you aren't willing to hold others to, you lose credibility. Wins matter? Army should be in the top 5. Indiana should be in the top 3. Oh.. strength of schedule does matter even a little to have Indiana any lower than 3 and Army no chance? Well it doesn't matter for Texas. It doesn't matter for Penn State. It doesn't matter for Miami. It doesn't matter for Boise. Losses matter for Texas A&M? Well they don't matter for Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, or Tennessee. Oh quality of wins matter? Well they don't for Texas, Penn State, Miami, Boise, SMU, or BYU. Head to head matters. Except BYU and SMU, Georgia and Texas, and Alabama and Tennessee.

Choosing any one of those and not being consistent loses credibility. And the committee is sending a message, just like last year, that they will choose whatever metric they want to get the teams in that they want and to leave other teams out. And those metrics will be completely hypocritical when comparing teams. The message is clear that our ONLY way in is to win the next 3 games. They simply aren't willing to give us credit where it due and are completely willing to knock us for something nobody else gets knocked for. So ya, we have no choice but to win the next 3 games.

Heineken-Ashi said:

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Wicked Good Ag said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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fightinag said:

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Although many may say different.....the loss to uSC is a killer even if we win out !
Unless we make the idiotic conference championship game and win it !

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But losing to Kentucky, a FAR worse team, is not killer. And losing to Arkansas while putting up zero offense is not killer. Losing to NIU is not killer.

Stop with this crap. It's just not true. We are being held to a standard other teams aren't.

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Completely disagree with this

1. Of all the two loss teams in the SEC they have beaten someone pretty big we havent , BUT we can in two weeks

2. And everyone arguing why Texas is ahead of Georgia who beat them...losses matter Texas has 1 Georgia has two

3. Beat Auburn and Texas and everything about the two loss teams above us doesnt apply anymore ...then you can look at conspiracies all you want.

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1. Correct, sort of. LSU dropping to Florida killed us. Missouri tanking killed us. But we STILL have 2 even remotely quality wins more than Texas does and no losses to teams outside of the top 25. Ole Miss has 1 quality win and a terrible loss. Tennessee has 1 quality win and a terrible loss. We are being punished for losing to South Carolina and not given any credit for any wins. Other teams are given insane credit for a single good win, and some for no good wins, while not being punished much at all for really bad losses. It's a double standard. Measuring Texas by the way we are measured should have them ranked BELOW where we were before we lost to SC. Because we had quality wins at that point. They don't.

2. Losses matter. So does actually playing someone. Georgia has played Texas, Ole Miss, Alabama, Clemson, and Tennessee, going 3-2 in those games. For those keeping score, every one of those teams is in the top 20 and 4 of 5 are in the top 11. Sure, Texas has one loss. But they have only played 1 top 25 team and got smoked at home. That same team has played 5 top 25 teams. A non-biased and non-subjective committee doesn't even think about putting Texas over Georgia. That's straight up idiotic and shows a lack of IQ to even be considered.

3. Yes, if we win all our games we are in. That's not the point. Only 4 teams are automatic. That means 8 teams are subjectively selected. Which means how that subjectiveness is measured matters, as you can still get in without winning your conference. And looking at their subjective standards, it's straight up garbage. Any time you hold 1 team to a standard you aren't willing to hold others to, you lose credibility. Wins matter? Army should be in the top 5. Indiana should be in the top 3. Oh.. strength of schedule does matter even a little to have Indiana any lower than 3 and Army no chance? Well it doesn't matter for Texas. It doesn't matter for Penn State. It doesn't matter for Miami. It doesn't matter for Boise. Losses matter for Texas A&M? Well they don't matter for Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, or Tennessee. Oh quality of wins matter? Well they don't for Texas, Penn State, Miami, Boise, SMU, or BYU.

Choosing any one of those and not being consistent loses credibility. And the committee is sending a message, just like last year, that they will choose whatever metric they want to get the teams in that they want and to leave other teams out. And those metrics will be completely hypocritical when comparing teams. The message is clear that our ONLY way in is to win the next 3 games. They simply aren't willing to give us credit where it due and are completing willing to knock us for something nobody else gets knocked for. So ya, we have no choice but to win the next 3 games.

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Yep

This year they will cite our lower gs e control ranking as to why we are ranked lower

They'll use whatever metric they want whenever they want just to justify the teams they put in

It's so messed up

This needs to move to a completely formula based system or a system based on record with a set number of bids per conference with the teams selected in the order they finished in their conference standings

Sips will not be ahead of us when we beat them.

LB12Diamond said:

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Sips will not be ahead of us when we beat them.

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I wouldn't be so sure about that. We might move up a spot or 2 if we beat Auburn, especially if Arizona St beat BYU. Texas isn't dropping 10 pts if we beat them.

Now, if they lose to both us and Kentucky, then we will have a better ranking.

LB12Diamond said:

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Sips will not be ahead of us when we beat them.

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Georgia only moved up 2 spots for beating Tennessee

If we beat the sips I'm think we jump all the non sec teams in front of us and maybe Tennessee and ole miss

No higher than 9 no worse than 12

Sips won't fall from 3 to below 8

Committee loves them some sips

Ian Neff said:

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Those 2 loss teams have impressive wins. We do not. It's fair.

Beat sips, end argument.

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Not to mention the rankings are an artifact of the chronological order of the wins/losses. Timing and sequence is everything.

Logos Stick said:

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Seriously? Then why do they have Texas ranked above Georgia right now when Georgia beat Texas and has beaten two other top 25 teams: Clemson, TN. Texas doesn't have a win over a single top 25 raked team.

The committee doesn't care about quality of schedule and good wins. They care about wins and losses. The idiots also look at team stat rankings, which are affected by SoS.

The will put a two loss sip team in over us because sip has only two losses and have good team stats against a **** schedule.

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This is why they can't be trusted if we lose the CCG. And if that scenario comes to be...it will come down to us and tessus. The subjectivity of a committee heavily influenced by espin will simply say, "We felt that tessus was the better looking team."

We can agree to disagree. The sips are that high now bc the committee is assuming they are going to beat us and they are the only one loss overall SEC team at this time. Once the sips have the same number of losses of all the other top SEC teams, they will move down.

Unfortunately, as some have said, there is little chance tu is NOT in the playoffs. They would have to lose TWO more games, outside of Kentucky beating them by 30+ which isn't happening.

This committee is in love with them for some reason. Haven't played anyone good other than Georgia and VANDY so far!! If you watched some of their games, very unimpressive.

The SEC playoff representation is actually pretty easy to predict at this point if everyone takes care of their own business in favored games the rest of the way and the SEC and B1G each get four teams in as expected.

tu - in unless TWO losses the rest of the way

Alabama - in unless one loss somewhere but not necessarily out if its a SECCG loss

Georgia - in unless a loss somewhere but could still get in with a third loss coupled with an SECCG win

Aggies - in if we win out including the SECCG or with a very close loss to a Bama/Georgia in SECCG, we have a good chance

If we lose to tu, it opens the door for Tennessee or Ole Miss.

Tennessee is a MUCH bigger brand. They beat Bama but Ole Miss beat Georgia. Ole Miss loss to a bad UK team which hurts. Regardless where teams are in these "preliminary" CFP polls today, history tells us it miraculously changes in the final selection. I just cannot see the committee picking Ole Miss over Tennessee if both are 10-2.

Our scenario is simple. Win the next three or next two and lose by 3 or less to Bama or Georgia in the SECCG.

For Ole Miss and Tennessee to have hope, they need Bama to get upset by OU or Auburn and tu to beat us and then handle their own business.

As for the SECCG, its about the same.

If we beat Auburn and tu beats UK, then 11/30 is a play in game for the SECCG.

Winner of our game most likely plays Bama or Georgia as they have many of the tiebreakers with everyone else.

If we lose to Auburn but beat tu, its likely Rocky IX (Bama vs Georgia again)

Oh, well, we will know a ton more in about 96 hours or less.

Gig 'em!!

StinkyPinky said:

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Ian Neff said:

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Those 2 loss teams have impressive wins. We do not. It's fair.

Beat sips, end argument.

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Not to mention the rankings are an artifact of the chronological order of the wins/losses. Timing and sequence is everything.

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This is spot on. Though when the committee was formed they said it would be the "eye ball" test and record would not have as much of an impact and yet the formula appears to be the same as 80+ years of the AP poll logic - its a function of losses (and timing within the teams from the same conference lose). You can write a formula that will predict it 95% of the time. An ACC team must have at least one less loss to be ahead of any SEC or B1G team. Same for the Big XII, etc.

You guys all watch football. What's your Top 5 teams you would not want to play right now? That's your true Top 5 and guess what, tu and Indiana are not in there. In no particular order, I think most would agree with Oregon, Bama, Georgia, Ohio State and either Tennessee or Ole Miss. Heck, I'd rather play tu right now then South Carolina.

Tenn? Last 6 games had losses to Ark and Ga. Wins of 6 over Fla, 7 over bama, 10 over UK, and 19 over Miss St. What over the last 6 games tells you they are a top 5 scary team?

Ole Miss? Last 6 games had loss to UK and LSU. Wins of 24 over S. Carolina, 12 over OU, 32 over Ark, 18 Ga. Seems like they are all over the place.

Ala? Losses UT/Vandy. Wins of 2pt over S. Carolina, 34 MIzz, 29 LSU and Mercer. What here shows some world beater?

Oregon last week beat a bad Wisconsin team by 3 pts.

There is no 5 teams that looks like world beaters right now. Just b/c S. Carolina ran all over us doesn't mean they are some dominant team eventhough that would be a great narrative for us. They just beat a pedestrian Mizz team by 4 and needed to drive the field in a minute.

RamblinAggie said:

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StinkyPinky said:

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Ian Neff said:

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Those 2 loss teams have impressive wins. We do not. It's fair.

Beat sips, end argument.

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Not to mention the rankings are an artifact of the chronological order of the wins/losses. Timing and sequence is everything.

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This is spot on. Though when the committee was formed they said it would be the "eye ball" test and record would not have as much of an impact and yet the formula appears to be the same as 80+ years of the AP poll logic - its a function of losses (and timing within the teams from the same conference lose). You can write a formula that will predict it 95% of the time. An ACC team must have at least one less loss to be ahead of any SEC or B1G team. Same for the Big XII, etc.

You guys all watch football. What's your Top 5 teams you would not want to play right now? That's your true Top 5 and guess what, tu and Indiana are not in there. In no particular order, I think most would agree with Oregon, Bama, Georgia, Ohio State and either Tennessee or Ole Miss. Heck, I'd rather play tu right now then South Carolina.

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Top 5 I wouldn't want to play:

Oregon
Ohio st
Bama
Ole Miss
Georgia

Mule said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Seriously? Then why do they have Texas ranked above Georgia right now when Georgia beat Texas and has beaten two other top 25 teams: Clemson, TN. Texas doesn't have a win over a single top 25 raked team.

The committee doesn't care about quality of schedule and good wins. They care about wins and losses. The idiots also look at team stat rankings, which are affected by SoS.

The will put a two loss sip team in over us because sip has only two losses and have good team stats against a **** schedule.

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This is why they can't be trusted if we lose the CCG. And if that scenario comes to be...it will come down to us and tessus. The subjectivity of a committee heavily influenced by espin will simply say, "We felt that tessus was the better looking team."

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Yeah, I heard one of the members when justifying their ranking of texas say "they have a top 5 offense". Yes, when you play no one, that tends to help your offense look good.

If we get to the championship game and lose, they are going to vote sip in over us. Prepare your anus.

Its a complete farce and we need to blow it up. Kirby said the other night "I have no idea what the committee is looking at".

LB12Diamond said:

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We can agree to disagree. The sips are that high now bc the committee is assuming they are going to beat us and they are the only one loss overall SEC team at this time. Once the sips have the same number of losses of all the other top SEC teams, they will move down.

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Had we played Michigan instead of ND, we'd have only one loss. They have played a **** schedule. Looking at record in a vacuum, which is what they are doing, makes it a farce.

tu will drop like a rock if they lose one of the next two games. Their current ranking is pricing in a win against Kentucky, A&M and the CCG. Our current ranking is pricing in a win against Auburn and a loss to tu. If we lose to tu we won't drop far at all. If we win against tu then we'll jump up around 6 while tu falls behind us and into the danger zone for the playoffs.

aginresearch said:

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tu will drop like a rock if they lose one of the next two games. Their current ranking is pricing in a win against Kentucky, A&M and the CCG. Our current ranking is pricing in a win against Auburn and a loss to tu. If we lose to tu we won't drop far at all. If we win against tu then we'll jump up around 6 while tu falls behind us and into the danger zone for the playoffs.

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That doesn't make sense. If Texas loses to us, they will have two losses, same as TN, Bama and Georgia, Ol Miss and A&M. One loss to #10 GA and to #15 A&M. Bama has two losses, one to Vandy and TN and are ranked 7th and yet Texas falls below them and us and out of playoff contention?! Not buying that.

This thread has become like the soap "days of our lives" and the overall theme by TXAGs is, were going to beat tsips but lose in the SEC championship. Then wondering if were gonna still be able to shack up with Hope.

Logos Stick said:

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aginresearch said:

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tu will drop like a rock if they lose one of the next two games. Their current ranking is pricing in a win against Kentucky, A&M and the CCG. Our current ranking is pricing in a win against Auburn and a loss to tu. If we lose to tu we won't drop far at all. If we win against tu then we'll jump up around 6 while tu falls behind us and into the danger zone for the playoffs.

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That doesn't make sense. If Texas loses to us, they will have two losses, same as TN, Bama and Georgia, Ol Miss and A&M. One loss to #10 GA and to #15 A&M. Bama has two losses, one to Vandy and TN and are ranked 7th and yet Texas falls below them and us and out of playoff contention?! Not buying that.

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The sips are in unless they lose to Kentucky and A&M to close out the season.

If they lose to Kentucky and beat A&M, at 10-2 they're in with no CCG win/loss. If they beat Kentucky and lose to A&M, they're in with no CCG win/loss.

I really don't understand why people think the sips are not going to be in the playoffs. The committee wants them there and they will be there short of a miracle losses to Kentucky and A&M.

What good win will tu have this season? To be honest if we beat tu then we'll have two top 25 wins and our two losses are also to top 25 teams. We'll have one of the best overall records. So yes we will take a massive jump.

Where tu falls to is a bit more fuzzy. I never said out of the playoffs. I said danger zone. Almost assuredly Alabama and Georgia will be above them. After that it's a dog fight between tu, Ole Miss and Tennessee. Ole Miss and Tennessee each have a worse loss but also a much better win. Recency bias might bite tu hard in this case.

Anyone seeing any similarities to the 1998 conference championship with Sirr Parker? We were completely overlooked by the press and Kansas State.

Horns beating uk and losing to Ags would likely slot them in the 5-8 range, resting during the ccg and hosting a weak first round opponent.

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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The playoff committee is not thinking about us at all. Hope this helps.

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Yep

In their eyes we are obviously the worst of the 2 loss sec teams since we are all the way down at 15 while the next 2 loss sec Tennessee is at 11 UGA is 10 and ole miss is 9 and bama at 7

We are clearly not on the same level as those teams in their eyes

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This. EOT

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I agree with this as it sits right now. But several factors on why were 15. Regardless of what criteria the CFB Playoff Committee says they follow, its similar to the AP/Coaches poll where you are going to be evaluated for the next weeks ranking based on where you were going into that week. Its human nature.

Texas hasn't beaten a now ranked opponent though... so there is that.

Texas is out if they lose to us unless there are tons of upsets. Watch. No different than if Penn st loses another game