agneck said:

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Your best chance to win in the SEC, is with a run/pass DUAL threat QB. End of story.

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This is probably the most accurate post in TexAgs in years. Unless you have Bama talent level all over the roster, it is hard to compete in the SEC with the defenses that you'll face. We don't have the WR talent to beat teams one on one we have to use zone reads and RPOs and try to out scheme people. But Elko and Klein should know this.

czar_iv said:

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agneck said:

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Your best chance to win in the SEC, is with a run/pass DUAL threat QB. End of story.

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This is probably the most accurate post in TexAgs in years. Unless you have Bama talent level all over the roster, it is hard to compete in the SEC with the defenses that you'll face. We don't have the WR talent to beat teams one on one we have to use zone reads and RPOs and try to out scheme people. But Elko and Klein should know this.

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I've said the same for a long time. Get a QB who is north of the average in terms of completion percentage and who can run. He doesn't have to be all world passing, just above average and doesn't turn the ball over by making dumb throws. It's a winning combo in college, not just the SEC. Trying to find the next great pocket passer is a losing proposition imo.

Honestly I was expecting a ton of RPOs with Weigman

Logos Stick said:

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czar_iv said:

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agneck said:

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Your best chance to win in the SEC, is with a run/pass DUAL threat QB. End of story.

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This is probably the most accurate post in TexAgs in years. Unless you have Bama talent level all over the roster, it is hard to compete in the SEC with the defenses that you'll face. We don't have the WR talent to beat teams one on one we have to use zone reads and RPOs and try to out scheme people. But Elko and Klein should know this.

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I've said the same for a long time. Get a QB who is north of the average in terms of completion percentage and who can run. He doesn't have to be all world passing, just above average and doesn't turn the ball over by making dumb throws. It's a winning combo in college, not just the SEC. Trying to find the next great pocket passer is a losing proposition imo.

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I would be legitimately interested in knowing how common this is.

1 body type that will hold up at this level
2 above average completion % (let say 65%+ for HS)
3 enough athleticism to be a run threat in the SEC

That can't be a combination that is super common. You'll find a lot of guys with good completion percentages that are too small, and you'll find some guys big enough, but they likely aren't athletic enough to be a run threat.

I think that is why most of the guys like this are bad passers early on - it's literally the only part you can really coach up out of size, speed, accuracy.

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Smittyfubar said:

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That was not the O-lines fault. His passing was terrible.

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He doesn't have the "winner" gene in his DNA apparently.
That's my answer to your question. It's that or bad coaching. He was wearing a helmet with a built in headset. Why didn't the coaches correct him?

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farmersfight said:

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But Billy told us he was the best!

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Haha, go watch the post game wrap, they were still talking any making the playoffs. I'm not sure bowl eligible is even achievable.

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The sad thing is with average qb play this is a pretty decent squad like 9 games is not out of the question at all but cw is so bad that even 6-6 will be a major struggle.

I think the poor guy is just simply scared. He is scared of being hurt again. You could see it in his eyes and body language and actions.
He was good in practice because they don't hit him or hurt him.
That first hit scared the crap out of him and it went downhill from there.
His fear affected him so much it started to physically affect him and the puking started. I'll bet he had thoughts of just wanting to get the game over with and go home.
I have been there. I was thrown out of a boat while racing and got hurt pretty bad. It was months before I could get in a boat and actually run it hard again. I was literally paranoid about getting in one again.
My true passion for racing boats is what got me through it. My passion and love for the racing eventually overcame my fear.
Maybe CW's passion for the game is not strong enough to overcome his fear of being hurt again and that showed up in this true game situation.
Thing is I remember what my dad told me when I played football ….." If you constantly worry about getting hurt, you probably will".
Hope CW can get the snakes out of his head and can overcome this.
It's up to our coaches to help the young man one way or the other.

Here is what I've been told, I know, I know, somebody who knows somebody heard something, I get it.

CW reportedly had a fever of 100 pre game but was starting because the HC wanted him to play through adversity. During practices Reed & Henderson outperform CW consistently and the OC wanted Reed to start because he performed better due to his quick/mobile play style, HC wanted CW to start because of his seniority and performance in last 2 seasons.
Also, since THC testing ended last summer, CW has been partaking pretty much non stop and has developed a nasty habitual cough in the process as well as gaining 20+ pounds..

From the people I know involved with practices they all say Reed should start, Henderson as back up and Weigman 3rd..

My take on all this, FWIW. After watching Saturdays game I can understand the less than stellar performance. The question is: what will be done about it?

Bohica64 said:

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Here is what I've been told, I know, I know, somebody who knows somebody heard something, I get it.

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It was the fish pond manager? Right?

Damn! Why did you out my source like that? He will now have to go into witness protection, thanks a lot.

He looked heavy all fall but it was never mentioned.

Interesting that you don't have stars bc this exact post came out yesterday on premium. I had it forwarded to me.

Think the same thing now that I thought yesterday. No one would have access to all that level of detail and report or give out the information.

Bohica64 said:

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Here is what I've been told, I know, I know, somebody who knows somebody heard something, I get it.

CW reportedly had a fever of 100 pre game but was starting because the HC wanted him to play through adversity. During practices Reed & Henderson outperform CW consistently and the OC wanted Reed to start because he performed better due to his quick/mobile play style, HC wanted CW to start because of his seniority and performance in last 2 seasons.
Also, since THC testing ended last summer, CW has been partaking pretty much non stop and has developed a nasty habitual cough in the process as well as gaining 20+ pounds..

From the people I know involved with practices they all say Reed should start, Henderson as back up and Weigman 3rd..

My take on all this, FWIW. After watching Saturdays game I can understand the less than stellar performance. The question is: what will be done about it?

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Wow, lots to digest here.

Conner Weigman has been just average against Power 4 teams. He is 5-4 as a starter but just 2-4 against Power 4 teams. If we exclude our home win over Auburn in which he left with a left ankle injury in the 2nd quarter, he is just 1-4 in games against Power 4 teams that he started and finished.

2022
31-28 home loss to Ole Miss: 28/44, 338 passing yards, 4 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
13-10 road loss at Auburn: 14/36, 121 passing yards, 1 touchdown, and 0 interceptions
38-23 home win over LSU: 12/18, 155 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions

2023
48-33 road loss at Miami: 31/53, 336 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions
27-10 home win over Auburn: 8/14, 70 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions before injuring his left ankle in the 2nd quarter.

2024
23-13 home loss to Notre Dame: 12/30 100 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions.

In summary, Conner Weigman peaked during his freshman year in 2022 with 7 touchdowns against 0 interceptions in 3 SEC games. Since 2023, he has thrown 2 touchdowns against 4 interceptions in 3 games against Power 4 opponents and had his collegiate career worst performance against Notre Dame. Yes, Notre Dame's defense is tough, but 13 points is the fewest we have scored at home since a 26-10 home loss to Auburn on 11/7/15. Nevertheless, I think he will start on Saturday. Because this game should be a blowout by halftime, he shouldn't play much in the 2nd half. Jaylen Hendersen and Marcel Reed should split reps in the 2nd half.

The road game at Florida will be a good litmus test for Conner Weigman. Florida has lost 6 consecutive games, including 3 consecutive home games, and 24 of their last 34 games against Power 4 teams, dating back to a 37-34 home loss to LSU on 12/12/20. For these reasons, I think the road game at Florida is our most winnable road game. Otherwise, a loss at Florida would extend our road losing streak to 11 games and our losing streak against Power 4 teams to 4 games.

Why were you not saying he peaked in 2022 prior to his game on Saturday?

Oh yeah bc you were not thinking or making up stories like that bc one it is not true.

Hey

You don't have to do that one. Revising Weigman's history adds zero value. All that matters is how he's performing now. That's it.

He was bad this past Saturday. I'm not happy with his play that day at all. I'm not happy thinking he did not take his importance on this team seriously. I'm not happy thinking there's a pretty good chance he has a drug issue that helped him perform so poorly this past Saturday. Maybe he stays bad and is replaced. Maybe he can wake up and change things that made him basically cost us that game.

Elko has a giant test right out of the gate to deal with.

Thanks? I'm just a nobody that talks to people that may or may not know stuff.

Shakermaker said:

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He looked heavy all fall but it was never mentioned.

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To me it was extremely noticeable when I saw him at the beginning of fall camp. My first thought was he will need to get into shape quickly before the season. Didn't look like himself.

Bohica64 said:

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Thanks? I'm just a nobody that talks to people that may or may not know stuff.

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Just thought it was funny you started your post with this is what you have been told. When all you did was copy and paste a post from obviously someone you don't know.

I blame the head coach. Feel free to rag in our players instead…but..,yeah.

Bohica64 said:

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Here is what I've been told, I know, I know, somebody who knows somebody heard something, I get it.

CW reportedly had a fever of 100 pre game but was starting because the HC wanted him to play through adversity. During practices Reed & Henderson outperform CW consistently and the OC wanted Reed to start because he performed better due to his quick/mobile play style, HC wanted CW to start because of his seniority and performance in last 2 seasons.
Also, since THC testing ended last summer, CW has been partaking pretty much non stop and has developed a nasty habitual cough in the process as well as gaining 20+ pounds..

From the people I know involved with practices they all say Reed should start, Henderson as back up and Weigman 3rd..

My take on all this, FWIW. After watching Saturdays game I can understand the less than stellar performance. The question is: what will be done about it?

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Damn, so not only are you saying that CW was sick with a fever, but even when he is well he has been outplayed by both of the other QB's. In addition, he somehow managed to gain 20 pounds by getting the munchies even while never missing a single workout.

If this is true, where's all the high level discipline we keep hearing about. Also if true, we surely will end up seeing Reed become the starter.

greg.w.h said:

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I blame the head coach. Feel free to rag in our players instead…but..,yeah.

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Is posting player stats "ragging" on players. TexAgs is locked down to sunshine pumping only? Wow that is desperate.

redjalapeno-87 said:

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Who elected you the TexAgs Sheriff?

Maybe he did his own research after the game. I know I did. Does it need to meet your authorized narrative? Or TexAgs narrative? Why are you so against the facts?

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LOL

The post was from a guy named Tucker Gordon. And as I already noted. Was a copy and past of his. Its was word for word the exact same post. If I could post a picture. I would.

So no. He did not do his own research.

Since you responded to me. I'm going to have some more fun with you.

Prior to this season there were zero posts from anyone stating that they had concerns about Conner. That he was not good against good comp. The only thing stated was can he stay healthy. If he stays healthy. Etc

Then he plays Saturday and we ALL know how that looked. And it's fine to have questions on him now based on how he looks now.

But posters like you start revising history. It's just very interesting to watch it all play out.

And now you are supporting a post that is showing disfunction in the coaching staff.

Just keep it to what it is. Weigman was bad Saturday. He stays bad, he will be replaced.

No reason to revise history.
No reason to support rumors showing all kinds coaching disputes prior to the game.

I mean again. 100 fever. Klein wanted Weigman as 3rd string.


And to add. "FACTS!". You of course would use a word like that one when all you have shown is you support fiction.

"But posters like you start revising history. It's just very interesting to watch it all play out. "

I posted the won-Loss record of CW, along with his game stats from the official team web sites. I also use https://cfbstats.com/ for team and individual stats. That is the best out there.

Are you claiming I revised the stats? Please post the mistakes I made and I will correct the stats. Show me where I "revised history"? That was not my intention. My intent is to counter false narratives with facts.

You have brought zero facts to the table. Only false narratives.

As I just pointed out. Your very last post is supporting rumors and fiction.

I'm not going to waste time arguing with you anymore bc it's obvious to anyone that knows the truth. You are not worth it. Just know this. It's very easy to see through your posts.

LB12Diamond said:

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As I just pointed out. Your very last post is supporting rumors and fiction.

I'm not going to waste time arguing with you anymore bc it's obvious to anyone that knows the truth. You are not worth it. Just know this. It's very easy to see through your posts.

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You're getting butthurt here just like you did on another thread. lol. Jalepeno just stating CW stats….which are facts.

RedJalepeno>lb12diamond

Agreed

LB12Diamond said:

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redjalapeno-87 said:

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Who elected you the TexAgs Sheriff?

Maybe he did his own research after the game. I know I did. Does it need to meet your authorized narrative? Or TexAgs narrative? Why are you so against the facts?

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LOL

The post was from a guy named Tucker Gordon. And as I already noted. Was a copy and past of his. Its was word for word the exact same post. If I could post a picture. I would.

So no. He did not do his own research.

Since you responded to me. I'm going to have some more fun with you.

Prior to this season there were zero posts from anyone stating that they had concerns about Conner. That he was not good against good comp. The only thing stated was can he stay healthy. If he stays healthy. Etc

Then he plays Saturday and we ALL know how that looked. And it's fine to have questions on him now based on how he looks now.

But posters like you start revising history. It's just very interesting to watch it all play out.

And now you are supporting a post that is showing disfunction in the coaching staff.

Just keep it to what it is. Weigman was bad Saturday. He stays bad, he will be replaced.

No reason to revise history.
No reason to support rumors showing all kinds coaching disputes prior to the game.

I mean again. 100 fever. Klein wanted Weigman as 3rd string.


And to add. "FACTS!". You of course would use a word like that one when all you have shown is you support fiction.

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Yes, I did my own research yesterday by looking up his game logs against Power 4 teams and listed the stats in those 6 games that he started. I admit that I did not realize he had best performance statistically against Power 4 teams in his freshmen year until yesterday. But after researching his stats, I realized he had 7 touchdowns against 0 interceptions in his 3 SEC games in his freshman year, which was his best performance against Power 4 teams. I probably should not have said he peaked because he has started just 9 games, including 6 against Power 4 teams. I hope he continues to improve.

LB12Diamond said:

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As I just pointed out. Your very last post is supporting rumors and fiction.

I'm not going to waste time arguing with you anymore bc it's obvious to anyone that knows the truth. You are not worth it. Just know this. It's very easy to see through your posts.

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What is this "revisionist history" you are speaking about? Multiple people have posted CW's stats, and pointed out it was largely against bad to mediocre competition, which clearly points to average-at-best performance. Yet, staring at these stats, you simply choose to repeat "revisionist history!"

The only revisionist history I can think of is based on so many here claiming CW would be the next JFF, and overblowing his performances to confirm their own bias, only to be faced with the facts that the numbers don't support that narrative.

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The Ghost of Johnny said:

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This was not the same kid from last season

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In fact, it's the exact same kid. Smoked by a horrible Miami team, and doing nothing against Auburn. Max Johnson bailed us out there. This isn't new, this is what it's always been.

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as a Miami fan that's not really fair

Weigman got the aggies out to a 17-0 lead and they ended up scoring over 30

it was the defense that collapsed against Miami

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SinKiller said:

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This was not the same kid from last season

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In fact, it's the exact same kid. Smoked by a horrible Miami team, and doing nothing against Auburn. Max Johnson bailed us out there. This isn't new, this is what it's always been.

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as a Miami fan that's not really fair

Weigman got the aggies out to a 17-0 lead and they ended up scoring over 30

it was the defense that collapsed against Miami

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We got out to 10-0 lead with 5:25 left in the 1st quarter and 17-7 lead with 13:11 left in the 2nd quarter, but one of those touchdowns came off a muffed punt by Miami. Then, Miami outscored us 41-16 the rest of the game, including 27-16 in the 2nd half to crush us 48-33. I agree that the defense and special teams collapsed against Miami, and we allowed a 98-yard kickoff return with 8:55 left in the 3rd quarter. I also agree that Conner Weigman played well in a road game at Miami, but we lost the turnover margin 3 to 1, with 2 interceptions from Conner Weigman.

Against Auburn, Weigman completed just 8 of 14 for 70 yards and no touchdowns before injuring his ankle in the 2nd quarter. Max Johnson completed 7 of 11 for 123 yards and 2 touchdowns to help us pull away from Auburn.

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He's average at best?

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That was a below average performance.

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Name a worse QB performance at a&m in the last 20 years

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Kellen Mond against LSU 2019. 10/30 passes for 92 yards, with no touchdowns and three interceptions.

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2019 LSU was a road game against the eventual 15-0 national CFP champion, but this was a home game against Notre Dame. In that game, Kellen Mond probably had the worst overall performance for a Texas A&M quarterback since 2012, but Conner Weigman had arguably the worst performance in a home game in the same span by completing just 12/30 passes for 100 yards with 0 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions.

Other horrible QB performances in home games:

2015: 26-10 loss to Auburn: Kyler Murray 13/23 passes for 105 yards, 0 touchdowns, and 3 interceptions
2015: 41-23 loss to Alabama: Kyle Allen 20/40 passes for 263 yards, 1 touchdown, and 3 interceptions
2012: 24-19 loss to LSU: Johnny Manziel 29/56 passes for 276 yards, 0 touchdowns, and 3 interceptions

Murray, Allen, and Manziel each had one home game in which they threw 3 interceptions, but they still completed at least half of their pass attempts. The same cannot be said for Weigman against Notre Dame.

Then why do you keep coming back for more, Sheriff?