I'm concerned here now especially that we lost out on Lockett to the Sips. With last year not shaping up amazing at receiver with Ashton Bethel-Roman (not showing up on our OurLads depth chart either anyone know why?) our best WR recruit coming in at #134 nationally and the #27 WR. Now we have Kelshaun Johnson committed at #196 nationally and the #27 WR as our best recruit for this year. Michael Terry is still in play but is a sip lean but hopefully doesn't want to go compete with Lockett at sip. Potentially good news Jermome Myles has showed up on our board. He was an Ole Miss commit until 3 days after his official visit to Aggieland and he decommitted. He is the #30 overall nationally and #5 WR. That is definitely something to keep our eye on. Anyone have some better intel or hearing good things? I'm excited about Noah and Moose for this year of course but we definitely need to think on our future at receiver with such a good QB room for the future.

Until we show that we will actually use a WR property, we will not be signing any 5-stars.

We will still sign some top notch receivers even if it's through the portal

I feel the issue of not using receivers properly will be resolved this fall as well.

Good thing is top flight WR's are more plentiful than any other position group, and many of them can be found in the transfer portal every year. Either way I still expect us to land a highly touted one in our class to go along with our 5* QB.

Emilio Fantastico said:

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Until we show that we will actually use a WR property, we will not be signing any 5-stars.

We will still sign some top notch receivers even if it's through the portal

I feel the issue of not using receivers properly will be resolved this fall as well.

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Mostly this. Until we prove we have a potent passing attack (being able to actually protect a QB will go a long way in this regard), WR are naturally going to be a little skeptical. Probably doesn't help that teams are most likely recruiting against Klein as a run run run guy. We have a lot of recent history to change. I'm pretty positive that we can. And as mentioned earlier, WR are diva-ish in nature and will hit the portal in two seconds flat if they don't feel they're being used the way they "deserve". I'm not super worried about it

WR is the one position where you can find more talent at lower ratings. Ainias Smith 3*. Mike Evans 2*. Etc.

With the transfer portal, as long as we show we're throwing the football a good deal of the time - we'lll be fine.

Bill Superman said:

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Good thing is top flight WR's are more plentiful than any other position group, and many of them can be found in the transfer portal every year. Either way I still expect us to land a highly touted one in our class to go along with our 5* QB.

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And yet we have missed on all of them so far. Like you said, though, we need to show it on the field first, even with a WR coach with past success.

Our track record with top WRs usually ends with that player getting kicked off or transferring so I wouldn't worry about it too much. Put together a season this year with a offense actually scoring and things will change.

Coach Elko says Ashton Bethel Roman has shined. So he must be here.
But that doesn't fit the narrative.

Fun silly analysis

Looking at WR's who had more than 100 yards in a season since 2018…

3 5-star wr's averaged 308 yards per season
9 4-star wr's averaged 331 YPS
4 3-star wr's averaged 456 YPS

That's skewed by only counting seasons where someone had more than 100 yards, but… this is a bit wild

This didn't include TE's or RB's and Ainias was considered a WR.

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There is absolutely no reason for an elite WR recruit to come to A&M until we prove otherwise. No reason to get hopes up on any of these guys. As far as I'm concerned, Lockett was a Texas lock for a long time.

It's up to Klein and the current WR group to change that stigma. We'll lean on portal guys heavily for a year or two I imagine.

TX_Aggie37 said:

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There is absolutely no reason for an elite WR recruit to come to A&M until we prove otherwise.

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Get to parlay essentially taking a full season or two off into a 7 figure deal in the PNW?

Aggie_Journalist said:

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Fun silly analysis

Looking at WR's who had more than 100 yards in a season since 2018…

3 5-star wr's averaged 308 yards per season
9 4-star wr's averaged 331 YPS
4 3-star wr's averaged 456 YPS

That's skewed by only counting seasons where someone had more than 100 yards, but… this is a bit wild

This didn't include TE's or RB's and Ainias was considered a WR.

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Let's just recruit 3 star players[/nologic

Aggie_Journalist said:

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Fun silly analysis

Looking at WR's who had more than 100 yards in a season since 2018…

3 5-star wr's averaged 308 yards per season
9 4-star wr's averaged 331 YPS
4 3-star wr's averaged 456 YPS

That's skewed by only counting seasons where someone had more than 100 yards, but… this is a bit wild

This didn't include TE's or RB's and Ainias was considered a WR.

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Our 5-stars getting suspended, kicked off the time, or transferring definitely messes this up.

Stewart - two seasons and gone
Marshall - five games and gone
Demas - eight games and gone

Looked those guys up...obviously everyone knows Stew is in Oregon, but Marshall is now at Boise St. and Demas is still at Garden City Community College...hope they get it figured out.

Bill Superman said:

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Good thing is top flight WR's are more plentiful than any other position group, and many of them can be found in the transfer portal every year. Either way I still expect us to land a highly touted one in our class to go along with our 5* QB.

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Yup. Hopefully Klein's offense shows out this year and we pick up a few quality guys in the portal.

It's REALLY hard to imagine Colorado being a stable situation after Shadeur leaves for the NFL at end of season. It seems like a natural time for Drelon Miller to move back home and sign with the Ags. It was a surprise for us to lose him in the first place but coaching uncertainty didn't help

Zachary Klement said:

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Aggie_Journalist said:

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Fun silly analysis

Looking at WR's who had more than 100 yards in a season since 2018…

3 5-star wr's averaged 308 yards per season
9 4-star wr's averaged 331 YPS
4 3-star wr's averaged 456 YPS

That's skewed by only counting seasons where someone had more than 100 yards, but… this is a bit wild

This didn't include TE's or RB's and Ainias was considered a WR.

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Our 5-stars getting suspended, kicked off the time, or transferring definitely messes this up.

Stewart - two seasons and gone
Marshall - five games and gone
Demas - eight games and gone

Looked those guys up...obviously everyone knows Stew is in Oregon, but Marshall is now at Boise St. and Demas is still at Garden City Community College...hope they get it figured out.

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Don't forget Speedy Noil..

WC94 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Aggie_Journalist said:

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Fun silly analysis

Looking at WR's who had more than 100 yards in a season since 2018…

3 5-star wr's averaged 308 yards per season
9 4-star wr's averaged 331 YPS
4 3-star wr's averaged 456 YPS

That's skewed by only counting seasons where someone had more than 100 yards, but… this is a bit wild

This didn't include TE's or RB's and Ainias was considered a WR.

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Our 5-stars getting suspended, kicked off the time, or transferring definitely messes this up.

Stewart - two seasons and gone
Marshall - five games and gone
Demas - eight games and gone

Looked those guys up...obviously everyone knows Stew is in Oregon, but Marshall is now at Boise St. and Demas is still at Garden City Community College...hope they get it figured out.

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Don't forget Speedy Noil..

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He didn't fall in that 2018-present range, but yup...I was so sure he was going to be a stud.

Is Christian Kirk our only successful 5-star WR??

Kirk is the only one that really lived up to a 5 star rating. Stewart may have after this year, if he stayed. But the problem I have is that people say he wasn't a hit, but would count a 3 star with his exact numbers a 3 star hit. So it makes it hard to quantify.

Stewart, for his issues, put up more numbers here than 95% of 3 stars ever will. If he were a 3 star or low 4 star, he'd be seen as a success and someone who helped us for 2 seasons. For every Ainias Smith or Mike Evans, there's 10 or more 3 stars you'd have to recruit to get a guy as productive as Evan was the last two years.

Seals-Jones, even though he was seen as a disappointment, also put up more numbers than 90% of 3 stars ever would, and was in the NFL (at TE which is where we should have put him day one) for 5-6 years. Again, more than 99% of 3 stars will become.

Do we really want to do a percentage and go down the list of 3 stars we never even heard from? I'll take an Evan Stewart and a Ricky Seals-Jones in every single class, especially with this staff, and see what we get from them. I'm guessing it's not a UFA and a 2 year transfer.

beerad12man said:

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Kirk is the only one that really lived up to a 5 star rating. Stewart may have after this year, if he stayed. But the problem I have is that people say he wasn't a hit, but would count a 3 star with his exact numbers a 3 star hit. So it makes it hard to quantify.

Stewart, for his issues, put up more numbers here than 95% of 3 stars ever will. If he were a 3 star or low 4 star, he'd be seen as a success and someone who helped us for 2 seasons. For every Ainias Smith or Mike Evans, there's 10 or more 3 stars you'd have to recruit to get a guy as productive as Evan was the last two years.

Seals-Jones, even though he was seen as a disappointment, also put up more numbers than 90% of 3 stars ever would, and was in the NFL (at TE which is where we should have put him day one) for 5-6 years. Again, more than 99% of 3 stars will become.

Do we really want to do a percentage and go down the list of 3 stars we never even heard from? I'll take an Evan Stewart and a Ricky Seals-Jones in every single class, especially with this staff, and see what we get from them. I'm guessing it's not a UFA and a 2 year transfer.

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100%.

Hard to fault Stewart for his production when he had to overcome Jimbo's offense and playing with FIVE quarterbacks in two years.

Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Aggie_Journalist said:

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Fun silly analysis

Looking at WR's who had more than 100 yards in a season since 2018…

3 5-star wr's averaged 308 yards per season
9 4-star wr's averaged 331 YPS
4 3-star wr's averaged 456 YPS

That's skewed by only counting seasons where someone had more than 100 yards, but… this is a bit wild

This didn't include TE's or RB's and Ainias was considered a WR.

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Let's just recruit 3 star players[/nologic

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BUT JOHNNY WAS A THREE STAR!!!!

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I mean texas recently had 2 1st rd wide receivers. Sark has proven to have a WR friendly system

Why would an elite WR come here without any knowledge if what CK's offense will look like. This is one of those issues that could resolve itself

zooguy96 said:

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WR is the one position where you can find more talent at lower ratings. Ainias Smith 3*. Mike Evans 2*. Etc.

With the transfer portal, as long as we show we're throwing the football a good deal of the time - we'lll be fine.

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Well that and offensive line. All the scouts say that offensive line is the hardest position group to grade, cause no one can tell what a great one looks like until they actually start playing college ball.

BWEB4 said:

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I'm concerned here now especially that we lost out on Lockett to the Sips. With last year not shaping up amazing at receiver with Ashton Bethel-Roman (not showing up on our OurLads depth chart either anyone know why?) our best WR recruit coming in at #134 nationally and the #27 WR. Now we have Kelshaun Johnson committed at #196 nationally and the #27 WR as our best recruit for this year. Michael Terry is still in play but is a sip lean but hopefully doesn't want to go compete with Lockett at sip. Potentially good news Jermome Myles has showed up on our board. He was an Ole Miss commit until 3 days after his official visit to Aggieland and he decommitted. He is the #30 overall nationally and #5 WR. That is definitely something to keep our eye on. Anyone have some better intel or hearing good things? I'm excited about Noah and Moose for this year of course but we definitely need to think on our future at receiver with such a good QB room for the future.

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Our Lads is one of the worst depth chart sources that you can use. I'm actually shocked people still look at it.

Zachary Klement said:

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beerad12man said:

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Kirk is the only one that really lived up to a 5 star rating. Stewart may have after this year, if he stayed. But the problem I have is that people say he wasn't a hit, but would count a 3 star with his exact numbers a 3 star hit. So it makes it hard to quantify.

Stewart, for his issues, put up more numbers here than 95% of 3 stars ever will. If he were a 3 star or low 4 star, he'd be seen as a success and someone who helped us for 2 seasons. For every Ainias Smith or Mike Evans, there's 10 or more 3 stars you'd have to recruit to get a guy as productive as Evan was the last two years.

Seals-Jones, even though he was seen as a disappointment, also put up more numbers than 90% of 3 stars ever would, and was in the NFL (at TE which is where we should have put him day one) for 5-6 years. Again, more than 99% of 3 stars will become.

Do we really want to do a percentage and go down the list of 3 stars we never even heard from? I'll take an Evan Stewart and a Ricky Seals-Jones in every single class, especially with this staff, and see what we get from them. I'm guessing it's not a UFA and a 2 year transfer.

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100%.

Hard to fault Stewart for his production when he had to overcome Jimbo's offense and playing with FIVE quarterbacks in two years.

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Plus he had to overcome his drops, anti first down tendencies and fumblitits

astros4545 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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beerad12man said:

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Kirk is the only one that really lived up to a 5 star rating. Stewart may have after this year, if he stayed. But the problem I have is that people say he wasn't a hit, but would count a 3 star with his exact numbers a 3 star hit. So it makes it hard to quantify.

Stewart, for his issues, put up more numbers here than 95% of 3 stars ever will. If he were a 3 star or low 4 star, he'd be seen as a success and someone who helped us for 2 seasons. For every Ainias Smith or Mike Evans, there's 10 or more 3 stars you'd have to recruit to get a guy as productive as Evan was the last two years.

Seals-Jones, even though he was seen as a disappointment, also put up more numbers than 90% of 3 stars ever would, and was in the NFL (at TE which is where we should have put him day one) for 5-6 years. Again, more than 99% of 3 stars will become.

Do we really want to do a percentage and go down the list of 3 stars we never even heard from? I'll take an Evan Stewart and a Ricky Seals-Jones in every single class, especially with this staff, and see what we get from them. I'm guessing it's not a UFA and a 2 year transfer.

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100%.

Hard to fault Stewart for his production when he had to overcome Jimbo's offense and playing with FIVE quarterbacks in two years.

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Plus he had to overcome his drops, anti first down tendencies and fumblitits

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He had drop issues his freshman year, but was seemingly better last year. Not sure what you're talking about with fumbilitis…his stats show he never fumbled the ball.