TexAggie1999 said:

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Bill Superman said:

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Why is the ncaa trying to act like they matter again? They should be abolished by now.

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The NCAA needs to regain power to control NIL cheating or college football should just be abolished.

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Why, so they can lay the hammer down on Florida schools and us while turning a blind eye to sip and whoever else is in the club? They've failed at every turn. Abolish them and start anew.

We didn't get into that, but for A&M the average was about a million per player, obviously some players got more and some got less

Ah who cares death of college football is at hand

For Texas it was just over 2 million per player

Randy Rhodes said:

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We didn't get into that, but for A&M the average was about a million per player, obviously some players got more and some got less.

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Who's we.......and, what is the source of your numbers. It's not obvious to most. An individual breakdown would be nice.

13B said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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TexAggie1999 said:

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Meximan said:

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Ag Tag said:

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Sounds like Rashada was scammed.

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This will 100% keep happening until a national, unified code is put into place, one that can penalize both programs and players for backing out of or abrogating deals. It would also do good to establish at least a few limitations on payouts, such as a first year cap of $1m for a "max deal" player, half that for a tier 2 player, less for others, but that would disappear going into year two if they stay with that program. At least then the overall playing field would be evened out again. And set limits on how many tier 1 and tier 2 players each school can pay out (taking a cue from the NBA model).

The haves will of course still dominate but that's going to happen regardless.

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Or just abolish college football if NIL is going to be simply pay for play. This is clearly becoming nothing more than a pro league. Just make it a pro league and these teams can have some sort of business relationship with universities to use their stadiums and logos. Players can have contracts just like NFL players.

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Your solution doesn't make NIL go away…you know in the pros they have NIL too

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He never said that. Read it again.

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What what problem is his proposed solution supposed to solve?

The "We" is people in both athletic departments

JJxvi said:

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This article doesnt pass a smell test

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I agree

numbers just being pulled out of thin air

Randy Rhodes said:

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The "We" is people in both athletic departments

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So, you can't specifically source the numbers you are presenting on this thread......your information is nothing more than generalities heard or read from what sources?

If you know this information, why don't you just link it on this thread?

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JJxvi said:

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This article doesnt pass a smell test

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I agree

numbers just being pulled out of thin air

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https://theathletic.com/4087681/2023/01/13/jaden-rashada-florida-gators-football/?amp=1

Randy Rhodes said:

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A&Ms whole class in 2022 was 30 million, Texas was 67 million. Other classes I don't know about

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If true, it appears they're getting a better ROI.

HoustonAg2106 said:

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13B said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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TexAggie1999 said:

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Meximan said:

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Ag Tag said:

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Sounds like Rashada was scammed.

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This will 100% keep happening until a national, unified code is put into place, one that can penalize both programs and players for backing out of or abrogating deals. It would also do good to establish at least a few limitations on payouts, such as a first year cap of $1m for a "max deal" player, half that for a tier 2 player, less for others, but that would disappear going into year two if they stay with that program. At least then the overall playing field would be evened out again. And set limits on how many tier 1 and tier 2 players each school can pay out (taking a cue from the NBA model).

The haves will of course still dominate but that's going to happen regardless.

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Or just abolish college football if NIL is going to be simply pay for play. This is clearly becoming nothing more than a pro league. Just make it a pro league and these teams can have some sort of business relationship with universities to use their stadiums and logos. Players can have contracts just like NFL players.

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Your solution doesn't make NIL go away…you know in the pros they have NIL too

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He never said that. Read it again.

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What what problem is his proposed solution supposed to solve?

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Not sure what you are trying to say here. You made an incorrect statement, I just corrected it and encouraged you to read it again. Now you are redirecting the conversation. I certainly don't know what 1999 was specifically getting at but my personal perception of what was said is that we should get rid of the facade of "student" athlete. Treat it like the business it is, regulate it appropriately, and get rid of the scholarship aspect. They can go to school if they like but they can foot the bill with their own paycheck. School can get money for rent of facilities and "brand" affiliation. Players can get paid through football contracts and NIL. Just like the pros. Basically a farm league for the NFL but instead of city affiliation it would be college affiliation. I'm not smart enough to come up with all of the ins and outs but bottom line: everyone gets paid, it can be fair and you aren't wasting the player's time nor the college's available scholarships for people that don't want to get a degree necessarily. Everyone can quit pretending that they are student athletes.

jeff1971 said:

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NO player is worth that kind of money. No way, no how.

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I believe that some of these dollar figures are being grossly exagerated.

still thin air

TexAggie1999 said:

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Bill Superman said:

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Why is the ncaa trying to act like they matter again? They should be abolished by now.

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The NCAA needs to regain power to control NIL cheating or college football should just be abolished.

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NCAA is a nutless organization that, when they actually try to do something, are uneven in how they interpret their own rules and are overtly biased depending on an offending school.

The revenue sports should breakaway and manage their own leagues and let NCAA stick to college bowling, quidditch, & video game sports.

2008and1 said:

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A max on NIL is never going to happen. It isn't a salary. There is no collective bargaining. This is (in theory) sponsorships. There is no way to legally cap it.

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It will cap itself

jeff1971 said:

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NO player is worth that kind of money. No way, no how.

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Once in a rare while, a player will be, but very rarely.

Johnny would've been a bargain for 13 million.

Meximan said:

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Ag Tag said:

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Sounds like Rashada was scammed.

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This will 100% keep happening until a national, unified code is put into place, one that can penalize both programs and players for backing out of or abrogating deals. It would also do good to establish at least a few limitations on payouts, such as a first year cap of $1m for a "max deal" player, half that for a tier 2 player, less for others, but that would disappear going into year two if they stay with that program. At least then the overall playing field would be evened out again. And set limits on how many tier 1 and tier 2 players each school can pay out (taking a cue from the NBA model).

The haves will of course still dominate but that's going to happen regardless.

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Whenever you think you need more government regulation you are probably wrong. We have a very robust system in our country that handles breach of contract. That system works everywhere and it will work for NIL too.

13B said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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13B said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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TexAggie1999 said:

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Meximan said:

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Ag Tag said:

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Sounds like Rashada was scammed.

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This will 100% keep happening until a national, unified code is put into place, one that can penalize both programs and players for backing out of or abrogating deals. It would also do good to establish at least a few limitations on payouts, such as a first year cap of $1m for a "max deal" player, half that for a tier 2 player, less for others, but that would disappear going into year two if they stay with that program. At least then the overall playing field would be evened out again. And set limits on how many tier 1 and tier 2 players each school can pay out (taking a cue from the NBA model).

The haves will of course still dominate but that's going to happen regardless.

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Or just abolish college football if NIL is going to be simply pay for play. This is clearly becoming nothing more than a pro league. Just make it a pro league and these teams can have some sort of business relationship with universities to use their stadiums and logos. Players can have contracts just like NFL players.

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Your solution doesn't make NIL go away…you know in the pros they have NIL too

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He never said that. Read it again.

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What what problem is his proposed solution supposed to solve?

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Not sure what you are trying to say here. You made an incorrect statement, I just corrected it and encouraged you to read it again. Now you are redirecting the conversation. I certainly don't know what 1999 was specifically getting at but my personal perception of what was said is that we should get rid of the facade of "student" athlete. Treat it like the business it is, regulate it appropriately, and get rid of the scholarship aspect. They can go to school if they like but they can foot the bill with their own paycheck. School can get money for rent of facilities and "brand" affiliation. Players can get paid through football contracts and NIL. Just like the pros. Basically a farm league for the NFL but instead of city affiliation it would be college affiliation. I'm not smart enough to come up with all of the ins and outs but bottom line: everyone gets paid, it can be fair and you aren't wasting the player's time nor the college's available scholarships for people that don't want to get a degree necessarily. Everyone can quit pretending that they are student athletes.

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First of all nothing I said was incorrect. Second of all, I don't get how it fixes anything just by taking away the scholarships and giving the players a salary, what difference are you making by doing that?

Meximan said:

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Ag Tag said:

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Sounds like Rashada was scammed.

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This will 100% keep happening until a national, unified code is put into place, one that can penalize both programs and players for backing out of or abrogating deals. It would also do good to establish at least a few limitations on payouts, such as a first year cap of $1m for a "max deal" player, half that for a tier 2 player, less for others, but that would disappear going into year two if they stay with that program. At least then the overall playing field would be evened out again. And set limits on how many tier 1 and tier 2 players each school can pay out (taking a cue from the NBA model).

The haves will of course still dominate but that's going to happen regardless.

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The process you are describing is anti-competitive behavior and illegal without a congressionally approved anti-trust exemption like the ones owned by professional baseball and football leagues. As it stands, NCAA or its member institutions can't exclude or limit or manage NIL contracts since those are private contracts between individuals and the collectives. Its an outside contract and really nobody's business but the athlete and the collective. If the contracts are insanely high and not binding enough to be useful to the NIL then at some point the market will find a way to bring it in balance. It might take a few boom/bust cycles to get the dumb money out of the equation but eventually those contracts will be smarter and fairer to reflect the risks to all parties.

Muy said:

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Ag Tag said:

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Sounds like Rashada was scammed.

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We need Walter Nolen to review the contract first.

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Better Call Wall

Randy Rhodes said:

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That's way to much, Texas is only giving Ewers 4 million/season, and that was supposed to be alot

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16 over 4 > 13.8 over 4?

The late great Mike Leach had the best solution I've seen so far on how to handle the NIL:
https://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/mike-leach-nil-issues-professional-draft-trades/605117

HoustonAg2106 said:

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TexAggie1999 said:

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Meximan said:

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Ag Tag said:

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Sounds like Rashada was scammed.

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This will 100% keep happening until a national, unified code is put into place, one that can penalize both programs and players for backing out of or abrogating deals. It would also do good to establish at least a few limitations on payouts, such as a first year cap of $1m for a "max deal" player, half that for a tier 2 player, less for others, but that would disappear going into year two if they stay with that program. At least then the overall playing field would be evened out again. And set limits on how many tier 1 and tier 2 players each school can pay out (taking a cue from the NBA model).

The haves will of course still dominate but that's going to happen regardless.

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Or just abolish college football if NIL is going to be simply pay for play. This is clearly becoming nothing more than a pro league. Just make it a pro league and these teams can have some sort of business relationship with universities to use their stadiums and logos. Players can have contracts just like NFL players.

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Your solution doesn't make NIL go away…you know in the pros they have NIL too

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Who cares? If current college football just became a pro league and the players were paid by the team, then the only NIL contracts would be legitimate. They wouldn't be back door cheating to get someone to play for you. In the NFL, NIL is for legitimate advertising purposes. The problem with college football is NIL is primarily pay for play, not for the use of a players name, image, and likeness.

cupcakesprinkles said:

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The late great Mike Leach had the best solution I've seen so far on how to handle the NIL:
https://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/mike-leach-nil-issues-professional-draft-trades/605117

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There estimated number scholarship players in FBS is 10,030.

That's $1,003,000,000 / year.

The pirate ain't so good at math.

HoustonAg2106 said:

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13B said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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13B said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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TexAggie1999 said:

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Meximan said:

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Ag Tag said:

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Sounds like Rashada was scammed.

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This will 100% keep happening until a national, unified code is put into place, one that can penalize both programs and players for backing out of or abrogating deals. It would also do good to establish at least a few limitations on payouts, such as a first year cap of $1m for a "max deal" player, half that for a tier 2 player, less for others, but that would disappear going into year two if they stay with that program. At least then the overall playing field would be evened out again. And set limits on how many tier 1 and tier 2 players each school can pay out (taking a cue from the NBA model).

The haves will of course still dominate but that's going to happen regardless.

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Or just abolish college football if NIL is going to be simply pay for play. This is clearly becoming nothing more than a pro league. Just make it a pro league and these teams can have some sort of business relationship with universities to use their stadiums and logos. Players can have contracts just like NFL players.

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Your solution doesn't make NIL go away…you know in the pros they have NIL too

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He never said that. Read it again.

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What what problem is his proposed solution supposed to solve?

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Not sure what you are trying to say here. You made an incorrect statement, I just corrected it and encouraged you to read it again. Now you are redirecting the conversation. I certainly don't know what 1999 was specifically getting at but my personal perception of what was said is that we should get rid of the facade of "student" athlete. Treat it like the business it is, regulate it appropriately, and get rid of the scholarship aspect. They can go to school if they like but they can foot the bill with their own paycheck. School can get money for rent of facilities and "brand" affiliation. Players can get paid through football contracts and NIL. Just like the pros. Basically a farm league for the NFL but instead of city affiliation it would be college affiliation. I'm not smart enough to come up with all of the ins and outs but bottom line: everyone gets paid, it can be fair and you aren't wasting the player's time nor the college's available scholarships for people that don't want to get a degree necessarily. Everyone can quit pretending that they are student athletes.

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First of all nothing I said was incorrect. Second of all, I don't get how it fixes anything just by taking away the scholarships and giving the players a salary, what difference are you making by doing that?

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This is not worth my time to go in circles with you. I am not even sure what you are responding to. You certainly are not receiving the information written in the format that is given. Good day.

Well, I guess since it was said on the interwebs it must be true. Since what anyone really knows about what players are actually getting, and all the known false stories, I will wait until something verifiable is available.

I'm right

Randy Rhodes said:

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I'm right

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Prove it.

LOL!

Randy Rhodes said:

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A&Ms whole class in 2022 was 30 million, Texas was 67 million. Other classes I don't know about

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do you have one shred of proof, sliced or not?

The biggest problem with NIL is everything is private. No one knows what is actually true, including the athletes themselves. It's all rumors, lies, and some truth. It's created jealousy, hurt relationships, and really jacked up trust. Teams are using false accusations to hurt other teams, just look at the sliced bread accusations. What a disaster.

2008and1 said:

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A max on NIL is never going to happen. It isn't a salary. There is no collective bargaining. This is (in theory) sponsorships. There is no way to legally cap it.

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There should be a way to audit the actual value of these so-called "sponsorships". It's nothing but pay to play for the vast majority of NIL dollars being handed out and everyone knows it.

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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Randy Rhodes said:

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A&Ms whole class in 2022 was 30 million, Texas was 67 million. Other classes I don't know about

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If true, it appears they're getting a better ROI.

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But since so many believe NIL is only about the value of their name, image and likeness, how do we know the ROI as we keep being told it's not about paying players to win.

Muy said:

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2008and1 said:

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A max on NIL is never going to happen. It isn't a salary. There is no collective bargaining. This is (in theory) sponsorships. There is no way to legally cap it.

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There should be a way to audit the actual value of these so-called "sponsorships". It's nothing but pay to play for the vast majority of NIL dollars being handed out and everyone knows it.

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The NCAA lost a a 9-0 decision that found they engaged in monopoly behavior on educational benefits. And were warned that the decision was limited only because the plaintiffs asked that it be narrowed to only educational benefits. The states, though, established NIL and they have taken zero action to limit or narrow it.

The NCAA is very constrained on limiting or regulating it largely because some states constructed their statutory code to prevent the NCAA from interfering.

The resulting system cannot be used for recruiting but isn't limited. The schools cannot coordinate with NIL contractors until after the student is enrolled and then they can introduce them.

Students can have an agent limited to NIL deal making / representation but not for the scholarship relationship with the athletic department or financial aid department.

Congress will not get involved while universities are cratering public trust on their own with ridiculous pricing. And there is an undeclared war in the Middle East by Iran, an internal affairs police action that both Russia and the promised when Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons that they would be defended, and China is going to invade Taiwan as soon as they believe the U.S. cannot defend it (or will not.)

NIL is below that in national interest priority…