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is that possible??

Lawrence Philips comparison not really good one. DUSTIN has only had one mistake - DWI( better than Philips numerous runs ins with assault on his chick, etc.) but Philips had top 5 in 1st round of draft athletic ability and showed it in the bowl game against U of Florida. Dustin doesn't have that, the ttu game wasn't even on the national stage. Alteast Reggie's OU win was. Dustin did have his chance against tu to do what Reggie did to ou and he would have locked up the starting job. If not here then some other Div. I school.
Instead we got blown out.
FWIW, I wish Dustin had stayed. but I'm a REGGIE fan and when Reggie graduates I will be a McGEE fan or whoever is the starter.

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"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women."

Toombs problem wasnt the weed, but the fact that he went to the combine at 280 instead of 250 and couldn't run a decent 40 time.

I believe Dustin GRADUATED FROM TEXAS A&M, therefore he is and always will be, an AGGIE!!!

Gentlemen and b@stards,

let us be 100% honest with each other here, the problem isn't alcohol, it isn't Dustin Long, it isn't college kids, and it isn't cops...

It's that ****-hole we all know as the JollyFox.

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Who is Dustin Long anyway?

is he a member of the aggie football team?

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If he puts up great numbers, if he has a great workout, he'll have a shot at the NFL.

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no sh*t, sherlock. we all know how the process works. what people here are saying is that he may or may not succeed at Sam, but he will not go to the combine and "have a great workout". He doesn't have an NFL arm.

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DL - I'm sorry to hear this news. I hope all works out and that you get your chance to play on Sundays. Once an Aggie, ALWAYS an Aggie! Good luck to you.

RM - At this point, Reggie has not lived up to his hype. Where are all those posters who claimed that he'd be leaving for the NFL after his 2nd or 3rd season?

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This is the type of post that cracks me up about this whole DL vs RM debate. Praise DL and a bunch of well wishes but then throw a barb at Reggie just because he was highly thought of coming out of high school.

As for me, I support the QB who stayed with the team and that's McNeal. I'm ambivalent on what happens to Long or his career and really don't give two shiits that he ****ed up and got a DWI.

The way many of you slather over Long, its a wonder you haven't traded in your Aggie maroon for some SHSU orange.

Reggie McNeal

2001
Lufkin High School
Coach John Outlaw
Offensive Coordinator/QBs Coach: Scott Green

2002
Texas A&M University
Coach RC Slocum
Offensive Coordinator: Dino Babers
Offensive Coordinator: Kevin Sumlin

2003
Texas A&M University
Coach Dennis Franchione
Offensive Coordinator/QB Coach: Les Keonning, Jr.


So in 3 years Reggie has had 4 different offenses to learn and run. (3 if you don't consider Babers' & Sumlin's Os that different)

2004 will be his first year since high school to run the same offense in consecutive years.

It may be smart to reserve our judgement about Reggie for a little longer. Obviously he has given us glimpses of greatness or else most of you wouldn't be disappointed or let down.

The guy went without a redshirt year, went through 3 different coaches, 4 different offensive coordinators, 4 different styles of offense, sub-par offensive lines that had solid individuals but never really played as unit, and has battled with injuries...

Not that you really have a choice, but give the guy a chance as he is just now at the HALF way point of his college career.

Kramer,

Are you 100% sure that Long received a degree from Texas A&M? If he did then he would have been automatically eligible for the NFL Draft THIS YEAR. And even at that, he would have to be taking GRADUATE COURSES at SHSU right now to be eligible to play football for them. While I don't wish to rip SHSU, I seriously doubt that they have a lot to offer in the way of summer graduate courses, which is what he would have to be taking right now under the "he graduated from Texas A&M" scenario. He, like a lot of his cohorts, is probably not even close to graduating from any institution. And if he's out drinking & driving like that, how serious of a student is he?

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...even serious students get **** faced every now and then too. It's college.

I'm fairly sure DL did not graduate from A&M. You are thinking of Vance Smith, who did graduate from A&M, then take grad courses at SHSU.

I'm pretty sure he did not go there specifically for the grad courses.

DL could have a 4.0, be planning to transfer those last 6 hours at SHSU back to A&M and recieve an A&M degree.

DL could have a 2.001 and only read at a third grade level.

The truth is probably somewhere in between. To make assumptions about his status as a student because he goofed up one night (that we know about) is assinine.

There are a bunch of rock chunkers around here that should notice what there house is made of, I'm willing to bet.

Here is hoping Dustin is either innocent and exonerated, or learns from his mistakes and moves on to a very successful life, in whatever persuit he chooses.

FTAC of 2000
I graduated, but haven't changed my name.

everyone should know by now rudyjax is Dustin's boyfriend.

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It hurts so good

http://www.ncaa-football.net

ac,
I hate to tell you this, but you seem unbeleivably uninformed. 1st, you don't have to graduate to be eligible for the NFL Draft, you just have to be 3 years out highschool (ie. redshirt sophomore or junior). You can have 60 hours and declare for the draft as long as you are 3 years out of highschool. 2nd, while I have no idea if Dustin graduated, I do know that if he did he could definitely be taking graduate classes (last year we had 4 players in graduate school). I'm sure he had no problem getting into a SHSU graduate program. All that said, I would be surprised if he graduated from A&M as he never seemed like the studious type.

Rudyjax

"It's an error of stupidity, not an error of character.

Are you sure about that? I would definately call DWI an error of character.

For anyone that thinks Dustin Long will ever appear on an in-season roster in the NFL, please do not get behind the wheel. You will only be repeating Dustin's mistake.

My friend just said that if Dustin Long was in gay porn his gay porn name would be Lustin Dong...

Lustin Dong.

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Josh McCown is no doubt the model that Dustin is following. to refresh some memories he transferred from SMU his senior season to SHSU. lit it up and took us to the playoffs. and even though it is the Cardinals... he is a starting QB in the NFL this season. how many Aggie QB's are playing in the NFL right now ??

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Are you 100% sure that Long received a degree from Texas A&M?

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No, but when he transferred, there were alot of people on here saying he would graduate in December or in May. I would guess that some of them graduated with him (at least at the same ceremony).

Why wouldn't he finish his degre here??? He's got his Aggie Ring. He's just down the road.

Anybody know if he graduated??? McGinnis???

I hate what has transpired. Dustin is a Good Ag. College kids are ... well, college kids. For the record, I was and Am Pro-Reggie.

http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?forum_id=5&topic_id=189900

Disgusting thread. Dustin will always be an Aggie and has the ring to prove it, whether you guys approve or not. He's moved on, and so should we. No point vilifying a 22 year old guy that made a mistake. Reggie is our QB now.

Good luck Dustin, and I hope you can get this behind you.

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No point vilifying a 22 year old guy that made a mistake.

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once again... why does everyone ASSUME this was a mistake?

It's not like Dustin never ever goes to bars... in fact even up until last month it wasn't uncommon to find DLong at Northgate. I used to always see him at Hatters, the Library, and Dry Bean.



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WOW,
It is really sad that a DWI is now just considered a minor MISTAKE by so many Ags. I guess you guys have to know someone who was killed by a drunk driver before you realize drunk driving isn't just some MISTAKE THAT ALL COLLEGE KIDS MAKE. Sorry, but I never got a DWI and I can't think of any of my friends getting them either, and NO I'm not a dork, I went out and got trashed all the time, but I guess I am a dork in the fact that I got a DESIGNATED DRIVER. DWI's are serious and it's sad most of yall just write them off as normal now.

By the way just b/c you have an Aggie ring doesn't mean you graduated. It means you passed 95 hours, and the shortest degree plan at A&M is 125, and most are 130-140 hours. So he probably still has over a year of classes left.

I am aware that you don't have to graduate to become eligible for the NFL Draft, but the way that Long talks about playing in the NFL he would have taken that option by now if he were a real NFL prospect. Obviously, he is not. This transferring to SHSU is clearly a "last-gasp" effort at trying to make the NFL. As for my comments about Long's seriousness about being a student, with all the time a football player spends playing and practicing, its hard enough to find time to attend classes & study. With all that time taken up, its even harder to find the time to go out and drink & drive. Maybe Long is superhuman and finds the time to do all of these things, but I seriously doubt it. Additionally, if he were that serious about his studies, then he would have stayed at A&M and completed his degree there and realized that a degree is more important than playing football. Again, that is his choice. But calling him a Texas A&M graduate is not the case. If he wishes to back to A&M and complete his degree there after his football career is over, then he can be called one.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I BELIEVE DUSTIN GRADUATED IN DECEMBER OR MAY. He is an Aggie. LOTS of our athletes graduate early, which is a testament to their hard work.

Some of you people are idiots. He left because of playing time. Why would you knock somebody for taking the road that gives them the best opportunity to follow their dream? He may make it, he may not, but if you were in his shoes, you had some ability, your degree was finished, you had a desire to play in the league, why would you not go someplace where you could at least play?

Whether he makes it or not is irrelevant. He's got one chance in his life to make an impression on NFL scouts by playing his senior season.

Why don't some of you "Aggies" try to have a little class and wish the young man well!

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Dustin would kick your ass for saying that. I'm not that good looking.

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He went on to star in many direct-to-video releases and TV specials...(fortunately the SCRIPT of the movie The Program allowed him to go to AA and sober out)

http://imdb.com/name/nm0001729/

Rudy you're out of line, people have a legitimate beef, heres why.

Courageous people when they're faced with adversity work harder, they prove they're more capable, they dont disrespect the place thats given them a scholarship and a chance to play.
If he'd redoubled his efforts and was clearly the better QB I have no doubt Fran would have started him. By him just dumping the program he disrespected the team.

I actually felt sorry for him that he was talking about the NFL, obviously those around him were pumping him full of unrealisitic talk and pressure.

He got a DWI now, he was under pressure and is dealing with it poorly, no one was hurt and he now has a chance to move on.

It was handled poorly by Dustin at the time but its time to let it go and wish him the best.

Grad in December and enrolled at new school under a different undergrad program... how hard is that to comprehend? NCAA does not care how many degrees you obtain or how... just as long as you keep your years of elibigility clearly defined...

Not to put a damper on the SHSU QB...Football Lineage thing, but SHSU has one starting QB in the NFL. How many do our beloved Ags have?
NONE

Point is he couldn't beat out Reggie in our system and moved to the very QB friendly confines of a pass happy spread offense in a Div I-AA program known for producing its fair share of NFL talent.

He then proceeded to get drunk and drive around a campus that has its fair share of law enforement lurking around in a town that is relatively strict in its public intoxiation enforcement.

As far as the Reggie v. Dustin comparison I cannot truthfully say who is better. I do know one thing for a fact I am not a coach with more than 20 years of college coaching experience that has recruited and sent his own fair share of recruits to the NFL. I am almost postive that Coach Fran knows more about QB's than anyone on this board.

Can we move on?

I meant conference (Southland) rather than program in regards to its own fair share of NFL talent.

Am I out of line because I don't agree with the masses? Because I'm not being a good aggie?

No one here knows what really went down. If they do know what went down, they cannot say it because the post will be pulled so fast it'll make our heads spin.

I happen to think Dustin was not given a fair shot. I happen to think that he's very under rated as a QB. Do I think he'll make it to the NFL? Probably not, but my point was more to the fact that this will not hurt his chances.

It really pisses me off when people come on here and bash him because he left A&M. Get over it. He left to help himself. Sure, he hurt himself with this DWI, but stop being so myopic and think of only yourself. If he had not left A&M, this thread would've been locked a long long time ago.

"True to each others, as Aggies can be."

I think I've said enough on this subject for the rest of my life. Have fun with it.

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Fran put his money on Reggie - win or lose. What else could Dustin do?

A lot of people still have a chip on their shoulders that Dustin left to go where he would be given a better chance to start. Anybody who thinks redoubling his efforts would have made that chance better here is smoking crack. We all knew Reggie was the guy and Dustin is not stupid. Colby Freeman did exactly the same thing but I don't see you guys talking down on him. It is very easy for you who talk down on Dustin when you have never played a down of d1 football. Or when you have no clue what really was being said between fran and dustin. The only chance he had of starting was if reggie red-shirted. That was never going to happen so he made the decision to go where he would get a starting job.

I sometimes think I am on a sip board with how you turn on your own.

These are teenagers and 20-year-olds we're talking about. I don't know about any of you guys, but I was a swerve away from a DWI a couple of times in college, and I consider myself a pretty stand up guy.
Give him a break. I still like Dustin, and I wish he was still an Aggie. And I hope he does play ball beyond college, however unlikely it may seem. Hey, if Chrissy Simms can make an NFL roster, anybody can.

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