KatyAggie2000 said:

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So strange to think of cross country "rivals" that span 3 time zones. Hey kids. Get ready. Our Clemson Tigers are taking on Stanford. It's a noon start time at Stanford so kickoff will be at 9 am for the Clemson faithful.

IMHO this stretch will really hurt the college football experience. Very, very few people can afford jet setting across the country multiple weeks to watch their team. Lot of empty stadiums and waning interest is my guess.

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It isn't sustainable for college athletics in general. It may be for football and perhaps basketball, but I think in 2-3 years, we'll see a return to more regional settings for the other sports. Even though UCLA and USC haven't produced much in baseball lately, UCLA won a title in the last decade and USC is still, regardless of recent results, a name due to more titles than anyone. Playing Rutgers and Maryland, or for that matter ANY Big10 school, isn't going to do much of anything for them when they can play Fullerton, Irvine, San Diego, Fresno, and even San Jose regularly.

Football money can't hold out indefinitely for the non-revenue sports. But creative scheduling for football means cross country trips only happen every 4-6 years so I don't see that as a huge issue.

Buck Turgidson said:

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The fact that Stanford & Cal are talking to the ACC proves that money trumps every other consideration in college football. FBS colleges have all *****d themselves out for TV money.

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Cal and Stanford are talking to the ACC because they have no other realistic options (to them) left. It isn't about money right now, at least not per se; it is about survival.

I'm not totally sure the net impact of them moving to the ACC will be significantly greater than joining a group of West Coast schools. I know some will think that's ludicrous (and maybe it is, depending on share and whatever contracts they get) but everyone else got into a conference within 24 hours of negotiations starting, including Colorado, and what do they really offer anyone?. Cal/Stanford have been at this for almost a week. What's the holdup?

I think IF something is being discussed, in all likelihood, it is the ACC telling them something like, "well, you can come, but you ain't getting the share we're giving our current members and that won't change for a while..." Cal/Stanford are trying to figure out their best deal.

halfastros81 said:

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I don't really see what conference alignment and academic excellence have to do with one another. To say that a conference has academic excellence seems meaningless to me. Maybe the individual conference member schools have high academic standards but that seems independent of a conference affiliation. I know the BiG only takes schools with AAU credentials but does that mean being a conference member helps their academics.? They have to get the credentials first. I'm also not sure what AAU credentials even mean in the bigger picture. Is your degree really worth more if you graduate from an AAU accredited school vs not? Out in the bigger world I feel like the answer is probably no. It's about what you can do

Perhaps that was your point but I was thrown off by your comment that the ACC is a great academic conference. It's not , it's an athletic conference that has member schools with good academic reputations.

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Right or wrong, the general public often assumes that schools playing in the same conference have similar academic rankings. When athletics is your marketing department, that perception can impact the quality of students you attract.

KatyAggie2000 said:

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So strange to think of cross country "rivals" that span 3 time zones. Hey kids. Get ready. Our Clemson Tigers are taking on Stanford. It's a noon start time at Stanford so kickoff will be at 9 am for the Clemson faithful.

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I think you need a remedial timezone class.

KatyAggie2000 said:

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So strange to think of cross country "rivals" that span 3 time zones. Hey kids. Get ready. Our Clemson Tigers are taking on Stanford. It's a noon start time at Stanford so kickoff will be at 9 am for the Clemson faithful.

IMHO this stretch will really hurt the college football experience. Very, very few people can afford jet setting across the country multiple weeks to watch their team. Lot of empty stadiums and waning interest is my guess.

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Confused abut how time zones work I see

Sea Speed said:

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KatyAggie2000 said:

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So strange to think of cross country "rivals" that span 3 time zones. Hey kids. Get ready. Our Clemson Tigers are taking on Stanford. It's a noon start time at Stanford so kickoff will be at 9 am for the Clemson faithful.

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I think you need a remedial timezone class.

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Beat me to it!!!

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bmks270 said:

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Universities have morphed from institutions of education and learning, to entertainment and districts and ego boosting status symbols for young adults.

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You're talking about two different things.

And if you don't think overall perception and enrollment at A&M changed after the move to the SEC, I don't know what you tell you.

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The SEC isn't the Ivy League. The big10 and SEC are mostly a bunch of big public state schools. So was the Big XII.

The ACC is a great academic conference.

FSU will be on an island in the Big10, it's absurd.

Does it serve the students?
Does it serve the university?

The biggest winners in realignment are the media companies.
Now, there are some universities that win and some that lose, with the schools not all of them are benefiting while others benefit greatly. Houston, TCU, and Central Florida for example have benefited.

But schools like Uconn, South Florida (former Big East) and now the PAC leftovers are losers. Rutgers with 200 million in growing debt and maryland with 100 million from trying to keep up with the Jones in the Big10. I'm not convinced that's helping those schools achieve their mission.
It only serves the media networks.

Football didn't help FSU get into the AAU, which now the lesser known much younger South Florida is a member, despite being a lowly Big East left over and in the AAC G5 conference (along with Miami). Big name football affiliations are being made for ego and status, like a popularity contest. But I think South Floridas admission into the AAU shows that it's not required and in Rutgers case, arguably a diversion, to serving the students and maintaining academic excellence.

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A&M is technically like $800m in debt from all the loans used to pay for the new facilities, maybe even $1.2b. Literally every program runs on a debt system, that's one way they can claim being a nonprofit and be tax exempt.

W said:

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I don't think Florida State knows what it wants

besides turning the clock back to the 80's

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Pretty sure they'd rather have the 90's than the 80's, but carry on….

halfastros81 said:

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I don't really see what conference alignment and academic excellence have to do with one another. To say that a conference has academic excellence seems meaningless to me. Maybe the individual conference member schools have high academic standards but that seems independent of a conference affiliation. I know the BiG only takes schools with AAU credentials but does that mean being a conference member helps their academics.? They have to get the credentials first. I'm also not sure what AAU credentials even mean in the bigger picture. Is your degree really worth more if you graduate from an AAU accredited school vs not? Out in the bigger world I feel like the answer is probably no. It's about what you can do

Perhaps that was your point but I was thrown off by your comment that the ACC is a great academic conference. It's not , it's an athletic conference that has member schools with good academic reputations.

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Agree. Why would any school and it's students care about the reputation of the other schools in their conference academic reputation? Is an A&M degree worth less because they play Ole Miss in sports? Those are just teams they play. If the B1G only accepts AAU schools, why did they take Nebraska? I don't think they are AAU.

money drives every decision.

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KatyAggie2000 said:

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So strange to think of cross country "rivals" that span 3 time zones. Hey kids. Get ready. Our Clemson Tigers are taking on Stanford. It's a noon start time at Stanford so kickoff will be at 9 am for the Clemson faithful.

IMHO this stretch will really hurt the college football experience. Very, very few people can afford jet setting across the country multiple weeks to watch their team. Lot of empty stadiums and waning interest is my guess.

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It isn't sustainable for college athletics in general. It may be for football and perhaps basketball, but I think in 2-3 years, we'll see a return to more regional settings for the other sports. Even though UCLA and USC haven't produced much in baseball lately, UCLA won a title in the last decade and USC is still, regardless of recent results, a name due to more titles than anyone. Playing Rutgers and Maryland, or for that matter ANY Big10 school, isn't going to do much of anything for them when they can play Fullerton, Irvine, San Diego, Fresno, and even San Jose regularly.

Football money can't hold out indefinitely for the non-revenue sports. But creative scheduling for football means cross country trips only happen every 4-6 years so I don't see that as a huge issue.

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Plus Title IX was interpreted as requiring quotas and might not be sustained by SCOTUS as they clean up visible "race"-based quotas.

i think Chip Kelly said it that football needs to break away from the other sports and its true.

ACC has issues with athletics, especially football. Football will always bring in decent money, and they do have sellable basketball as well for full year-round TV coverage material.

However, if you look at the football standings, they are a one show conf. The ACC rarely seem to be able to support two elite teams. It was FSU for a long time, and now it is clemson. sprinkle in a few others for a year or two

The Conference has limited competition. FSU sees this and it could end up just like the PAC12 (very few good teams recently and lack of support for college sports on the west coast). ACC is next but taking more time due to the areas supporting college sports more.

ACC was so bad that when FSU joined it, I don't think they had an in conference loss for 10 years.

Regarding time zone comments: the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. So eastern time zones are "ahead" by one, two, three, or more hours of western ones. A noon game at Clemson is broadcast at 9am at Stanford because Eastern time zone is UTC -5 during standard time and -4 during daylight saving time. Pacific is -8/-7. Note about all "fall" games before the first Sunday in November are daylight saving time and after the first Sunday are standard time. Some places only follow standard time (Arizona in Mountain time zone and Hawaii in Hawaii time zone are examples).

But it's easy to confuse if you mostly have lived in one time zone. I've lived in six and visited roughly seven others. And I don't always count it correctly, either.

KatyAggie2000 said:

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So strange to think of cross country "rivals" that span 3 time zones. Hey kids. Get ready. Our Clemson Tigers are taking on Stanford. It's a noon start time at Stanford so kickoff will be at 9 am for the Clemson faithful.

IMHO this stretch will really hurt the college football experience. Very, very few people can afford jet setting across the country multiple weeks to watch their team. Lot of empty stadiums and waning interest is my guess.

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A noon start time in Palo alto is a 3pm start time in South Carolina. Now a noon game at Clemson would be 9 am for the Stanford faithful. But if a tree (pun intended) plays a game, does it move the needle any time of day

Perhaps with their new B10 money USC and UCLA can move closer to the center of the United States.

Actually a more west coast solution would be a high speed monorail from LA to the Midwest/Atlantic Coast.

The PAC12 died of hubris apparently. This makes it harder to feel sorry for Wazzu, Oregon State, Cal and Stanford.

The Pac-12 had an offer from ESPN of $30 million per school in the fall of 2022. The network wanted it all. But the presidents and chancellors wanted more.

“We said we want $50 million per school.”

ESPN's response?

“Goodbye.”

Read: https://t.co/5FvvINZHQ2 pic.twitter.com/E8FS2oRiXe

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 11, 2023

This all has to happen…it is part of the end to college football. This will all make for a good book someday.
The first line of the book will be "pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered"…
The rapid pace that the sport is destroying itself is incredible.

bmks270 said:

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Agsncws said:

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Yes, its about money. No, its not helping deliver academic excellence. Dont take all day to recognize sunshine.

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Academic departments at A&M saw some pretty big increases in giving while Manziel was running wild (on the football field), and that was independent of the price of oil.

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Is that just because of the SEC, or just winning in any conference?

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Had a lot to do with the phase out of the Bush Tax cuts
Bush tax cuts passed in '01 expired in 11 ( passed through reconciliation therefore we're not permanent )
The Bush tax cuts if made permanent would have eliminated the estate tax entirely
Lots of university giving happens to avoid the estate tax
Hth