Serious.

Is it just to increase the size of the numbers moving between bank accounts?

The ACC seems like a much better fit for athletics.

Money shouldn't drive every decision.

Does the conference alignment impact their academic profile?

I'm serious begin to question if all this realignment is actually helping universities achieve their mission of academic excellence.

Universities have morphed from institutions of education and learning, to entertainment and districts and ego boosting status symbols for young adults.

FSU is broker than the 10 commandments.

They need a lifesaver.

From what I understand, OU ain't far behind.

You know this is 2023, right?

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Universities have morphed from institutions of education and learning, to entertainment and districts and ego boosting status symbols for young adults.

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You're talking about two different things.

And if you don't think overall perception and enrollment at A&M changed after the move to the SEC, I don't know what you tell you.

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FSU is broker than the 10 commandments.

They need a lifesaver.

From what I understand, OU ain't far behind.

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It's about money. That's all it is.

School gets a little more money and networks get a lot more money. Same as always.

Money and future of conference.

Nobody wants to be falling short with money in this new race and nobody wants to be stuck when something like a pac12 exodus occurs

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Universities have morphed from institutions of education and learning, to entertainment and districts and ego boosting status symbols for young adults.

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You're talking about two different things.

And if you don't think overall perception and enrollment at A&M changed after the move to the SEC, I don't know what you tell you.

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The SEC isn't the Ivy League. The big10 and SEC are mostly a bunch of big public state schools. So was the Big XII.

The ACC is a great academic conference.

FSU will be on an island in the Big10, it's absurd.

Does it serve the students?
Does it serve the university?

The biggest winners in realignment are the media companies.
Now, there are some universities that win and some that lose, with the schools not all of them are benefiting while others benefit greatly. Houston, TCU, and Central Florida for example have benefited.

But schools like Uconn, South Florida (former Big East) and now the PAC leftovers are losers. Rutgers with 200 million in growing debt and maryland with 100 million from trying to keep up with the Jones in the Big10. I'm not convinced that's helping those schools achieve their mission.
It only serves the media networks.

Football didn't help FSU get into the AAU, which now the lesser known much younger South Florida is a member, despite being a lowly Big East left over and in the AAC G5 conference (along with Miami). Big name football affiliations are being made for ego and status, like a popularity contest. But I think South Floridas admission into the AAU shows that it's not required and in Rutgers case, arguably a diversion, to serving the students and maintaining academic excellence.

I don't think Florida State knows what it wants

besides turning the clock back to the 80's

Acc sold their soul to scumbag mouse & the deal is dog****

B1G brokered a much better deal with fox & cbs. Fox & cbs also put out a much better product

Why would you stay at a ****ty job w ****ty pay if you could go to a better job w better pay

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Acc sold their soul to scumbag mouse & the deal is dog****

B1G brokered a much better deal with fox & cbs. Fox & cbs also put out a much better product

Why would you stay at a ****ty job w ****ty pay if you could go to a better job w better pay

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It's not all about money.
How is traveling to the Midwest for every away game a "better job" to use your analogy?
I'd say it's a worse job, it's a bad fit. Money should not be the only factor.
Football isn't the only sport. Athletes of other sports, and fans as well are impacted traveling to away games.

These athletic budgets are getting absurd.
What is needed besides an indoor practice field, weight room, and locker room? How the heck are these basics putting athletic departments in debt when they're making tens of millions in revenue?

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Serious.

Is it just to increase the size of the numbers moving between bank accounts?

The ACC seems like a much better fit for athletics.

Money shouldn't drive every decision.

Does the conference alignment impact their academic profile?

I'm serious begin to question if all this realignment is actually helping universities achieve their mission of academic excellence.

Universities have morphed from institutions of education and learning, to entertainment and districts and ego boosting status symbols for young adults.

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Universities have morphed from institutions of education and learning, to entertainment districts and ego boosting status symbols for rich old farts!

The biggest problem is that Florida has better facilities. FSU still has an outdoor pool and athletic facilites that multiple sports have to share (gasp!!!).

Its easy to understand once you realize that UCF's payout from the XII has the potential to be larger than FSU's payout from the ACC.

Yes, its about money. No, its not helping deliver academic excellence. Dont take all day to recognize sunshine.

Factor in NCAA v. Alston putting the schools (ignore the NCAA moniker for a moment) on notice that they cannot be concessionary monopolies that argue the beauty of amateur athletics is that the colleges can collude to set labor pricing.

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Its easy to understand once you realize that UCF's payout from the XII has the potential to be larger than FSU's payout from the ACC.

Yes, its about money. No, its not helping deliver academic excellence. Dont take all day to recognize sunshine.

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So is more money actually good for the university?

It's Just football ego to me.

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Its easy to understand once you realize that UCF's payout from the XII has the potential to be larger than FSU's payout from the ACC.

Yes, its about money. No, its not helping deliver academic excellence. Dont take all day to recognize sunshine.

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Yep

It's all about money , plain s d simple, high helps your teams compete

My guess is that norvell is *****ing about fsu lagging behind in lots of things and the school is looking for money to fund what he wants

They probably realized that jimbo was right so they don't want to make the same mistake with norvell

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Yes, its about money. No, its not helping deliver academic excellence. Dont take all day to recognize sunshine.

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Academic departments at A&M saw some pretty big increases in giving while Manziel was running wild (on the football field), and that was independent of the price of oil.

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Yes, its about money. No, its not helping deliver academic excellence. Dont take all day to recognize sunshine.

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Academic departments at A&M saw some pretty big increases in giving while Manziel was running wild (on the football field), and that was independent of the price of oil.

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Is that just because of the SEC, or just winning in any conference?

It's about money, but it's the comparative money of schools Florida State is competing with for athletes, coaches, and staff.

They're correctly worried they won't be able to compete with Florida, Georgia, and Alabama when those schools are getting $30 million a year more than they are, especially over 10+ years.

And they're pissed that they're going to be $30 million behind schools like South Carolina, Mississippi State, and Kentucky.

The fact that Stanford & Cal are talking to the ACC proves that money trumps every other consideration in college football. FBS colleges have all *****d themselves out for TV money.

$$$$$$$ these nil deals will not pay themselves

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Money shouldn't drive every decision.

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We found the liberal.

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The fact that Stanford & Cal are talking to the ACC proves that money trumps every other consideration in college football. FBS colleges have all *****d themselves out for TV money.

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Just saw that on College Football Live. Just crazy.

So strange to think of cross country "rivals" that span 3 time zones. Hey kids. Get ready. Our Clemson Tigers are taking on Stanford. It's a noon start time at Stanford so kickoff will be at 9 am for the Clemson faithful.

IMHO this stretch will really hurt the college football experience. Very, very few people can afford jet setting across the country multiple weeks to watch their team. Lot of empty stadiums and waning interest is my guess.

ACC is looking at the smoking crater and the carnage of pac 12 and saying no way in hell!!

Why did the ACC raid the Big East? Why did the B10 raid the ACC? Why did the SEC raid the B12? Why did the B10 raid the PAC? Why did the B12 raid the PAC? Why did the B8 raid the SWC?

The answer to all these questions is the same and it's either a shrewd business decision or the downfall of college football depending on if you are the conference that did the raiding or the one who got raided.

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Universities have morphed from institutions of education and learning, to entertainment and districts and ego boosting status symbols for young adults.

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You're talking about two different things.

And if you don't think overall perception and enrollment at A&M changed after the move to the SEC, I don't know what you tell you.

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The SEC isn't the Ivy League. The big10 and SEC are mostly a bunch of big public state schools. So was the Big XII.

The ACC is a great academic conference.

FSU will be on an island in the Big10, it's absurd.

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Big10 is great at academics….Much better than the SEC in comparison. Big10 now has like 15 AAU schools, while SEC now has 5. Lol

I feel like you know the answer because you immediately answered it. serious

I don't really see what conference alignment and academic excellence have to do with one another. To say that a conference has academic excellence seems meaningless to me. Maybe the individual conference member schools have high academic standards but that seems independent of a conference affiliation. I know the BiG only takes schools with AAU credentials but does that mean being a conference member helps their academics.? They have to get the credentials first. I'm also not sure what AAU credentials even mean in the bigger picture. Is your degree really worth more if you graduate from an AAU accredited school vs not? Out in the bigger world I feel like the answer is probably no. It's about what you can do

Perhaps that was your point but I was thrown off by your comment that the ACC is a great academic conference. It's not , it's an athletic conference that has member schools with good academic reputations.

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I don't really see what conference alignment and academic excellence have to do with one another

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They don't.

At one time, conferences liked to throw that around to give the appearance academics matter. They aren't even pretending to care about that any longer.

They simply want maximum value for their brand, and the ACC is not providing that.

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End of thread.

We just returned from touring their campus as we look at schools for my son (Don't judge - We are FL residents, so while my son will definitely apply to A&M, we also have to have options). Their facilities look like ours did before we left the Big 12. They know they're falling behind in the facilities and NIL arms race. The SEC and the money that comes with it would provide a huge infusion to a cash strapped program. Like UF, they're a top 5 women's program. But FSU is falling further behind in the sports that generate revenue. The SEC is money. It's exposure. And it's one of two leagues positioning themselves to dominate college athletics (even more) in the future. I wouldn't blame them a bit for leaving and would love to see them join if only to get even with UF for supporting tu and OU to the SEC.

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Serious.

Is it just to increase the size of the numbers moving between bank accounts?

The ACC seems like a much better fit for athletics.

Money shouldn't drive every decision.

Does the conference alignment impact their academic profile?

I'm serious begin to question if all this realignment is actually helping universities achieve their mission of academic excellence.

Universities have morphed from institutions of education and learning, to entertainment and districts and ego boosting status symbols for young adults.

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Are you serious, Clark?