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Untold: Johnny Football

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Aston04
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txag72 said:

Here's what I remember about JM's career with the Browns:

The Browns record for 2015, 2016, and 2017 was 4-44.

The Browns record with JM at starting qb was 2-4.

The Browns went 2-40 without him as starting qb. That could be the worst team in NFL history for a 3 year span.

Add that to all the "what iffs" please.
yes the proven dumbarse coach of the browns back then refused to play to jf's strengths and generally tired to start hack QBs over jf.

Jf did himself no favors, obviously. But that situation sucked.
OrygunAg
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He made his decisions, he owns it. Loved watching those teams with him playing but kids this how you self-destruct on an epic level. Todd Marinovich thanks JFF for taking the spotlight.
AgFormerlyInIrving
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I'm not sure if this was mentioned before, but after watching the video? It's pretty apparent that Johnny Football was good at the college football.
milner79
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BadMoonRisin said:

No. 5 on Uncle Nate's list of people to meet was Meg Ryan.

The fake orgasm scene in When Harry Met Sally has captured the fancy of many a young man ...
milner79
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Burdizzo said:

rootube said:

I finally watched the Manziel thing and all I can think is that it would be great to see a story about Mike Evans instead.

I have always said Johnny should cut the trophy in half and give a half to Mike Evans

Deshazor Everett needs a chunk of it, as well. Without that game-saving interception, the buzz is all about an Alabama comeback, Saban,McCarron, blah blah blah. No Heisman mention by Danielson, no signature win to launch the hype machine, and no "documentary" ten years later.
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milner79 said:

Burdizzo said:

rootube said:

I finally watched the Manziel thing and all I can think is that it would be great to see a story about Mike Evans instead.

I have always said Johnny should cut the trophy in half and give a half to Mike Evans

Deshazor Everett needs a chunk of it, as well. Without that game-saving interception, the buzz is all about an Alabama comeback, Saban,McCarron, blah blah blah. No Heisman mention by Danielson, no signature win to launch the hype machine, and no "documentary" ten years later.
The "bob" play by Ben Malena on the punt was a huge play as well.

It was 4th and 1 on our 13 yard line with 40 seconds left and we were set to punt to give the ball to Alabama, at best, at midfield. Malena bobs his head, Alabama thought the ball was snapped and jumped offsides to give us a 1st down where we could comfortably kneel it.
phillytex24
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Untold: Johnny Football still in the Top Ten on Netflix! Currently #3 on top movies. It's the gift that keeps on giving! That's millions of Netflix users in the USA. I'm shocked.
Tex117
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It was a pretty good 1:10 minute documentary.

It represented the good and the bad. (But not in detail).

There were just a few mentions of the more serious problems. How much coke and oxy? Was he diagnosed and being treated as bi-polar? How much of that is attributable to his behavior? Is that some b.s. diagnosis that is more trying to excuse his behavior?

I kept laughing that this whole thing felt like if Tweeder (from Varsity Blues) was a quarterback and the movie kept going for like 7 more years of his life.

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phillytex24
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Tex117 said:

It was a pretty good 1:10 minute documentary.

It represented the good and the bad. (But not in detail).

There were just a few mentions of the more serious problems. How much coke and oxy? Was he diagnosed and being treated as bi-polar? How much of that is attributable to his behavior? Is that some b.s. diagnosis that is more trying to excuse his behavior?

I kept laughing that this whole thing felt like if Tweeder (from Varsity Blues) was a quarterback and the movie kept going for like 7 more years of his life.




Most folks are never diagnosed as being bipolar before it's too late and they've unwittingly wrecked their own lives.

In Johnny's case, sadly, his coaches failed to coach him. He needed leadership. He needed guidance. Hopefully the coaching staff today are aware of what they need to do if ever a player is in need like this.

Here's to winning the National Championship this year! We need healing, restoration and unity!
91AggieLawyer
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Michael Cera Palin said:



Idiots
Covert Adam
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I really enjoyed watching it and thinking about the memories that I had with my Dad those two seasons. The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is that they took away Reggie Bush's Heisman for doing the exact same thing.

I feel like the NCAA is a joke.

Give Reggie back his Heisman.

#Gigem
BMX Bandit
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Quote:

The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is that they took away Reggie Bush's Heisman for doing the exact same thing.
they did not do the exact same thing. they also did what they did at different times. bush during heisman season, manziel after that season.

though I think it should have not been taken away from him
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StinkyPinky
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I thought it was an entertaining watch, was great to relive the memories and to see validation to what we assumed was going on. Was hard to fathom at the time how someone could purposefully self destruct, but it appears that is exactly what happened. Clearly there is still even more to the story, wish we could have seen it all.
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milner79 said:

Burdizzo said:

rootube said:

I finally watched the Manziel thing and all I can think is that it would be great to see a story about Mike Evans instead.

I have always said Johnny should cut the trophy in half and give a half to Mike Evans

Deshazor Everett needs a chunk of it, as well. Without that game-saving interception, the buzz is all about an Alabama comeback, Saban,McCarron, blah blah blah. No Heisman mention by Danielson, no signature win to launch the hype machine, and no "documentary" ten years later.


Weird. It's almost like football is a team game, where the success of a player ends up depending on what his teammates do. How strange.

Gtfo with this bs. Yes Johnny had all kinds of help from great teammates. He was also the best player on that team and it wasn't even close.
94chem
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https://www.netflix.com/us/title/81580141?s=a&trkid=13747225&trg=cp&vlang=en&clip=81582198

Fake dead girlfriend got 2 episodes.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
Deputy Travis Junior
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94chem said:

https://www.netflix.com/us/title/81580141?s=a&trkid=13747225&trg=cp&vlang=en&clip=81582198

Fake dead girlfriend got 2 episodes.


Even though I'm biased towards A&M, if you put a gun to my head and told me to correctly guess the more interesting story that deserved two episodes, I'd go with Teo. Manziel's playing style was fun at hell, but ultimately it was just another "ultra talented guy rockets to fame, can't handle the spotlight, falls into drugs and flames out" story. There are tons of those in Hollywood and professional sports. Manziel earns novelty points because he did so much of it in college as social media really took off, but we've seen the general pattern a hundred times. But Teo... Man, not every day you see something like that.
94chem
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We hear you, Mrs. Kekua.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
Burdizzo
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Deputy Travis Junior said:

94chem said:

https://www.netflix.com/us/title/81580141?s=a&trkid=13747225&trg=cp&vlang=en&clip=81582198

Fake dead girlfriend got 2 episodes.


Even though I'm biased towards A&M, if you put a gun to my head and told me to correctly guess the more interesting story that deserved two episodes, I'd go with Teo. Manziel's playing style was fun at hell, but ultimately it was just another "ultra talented guy rockets to fame, can't handle the spotlight, falls into drugs and flames out" story. There are tons of those in Hollywood and professional sports. Manziel earns novelty points because he did so much of it in college as social media really took off, but we've seen the general pattern a hundred times. But Teo... Man, not every day you see something like that.


Almost as big of a scandal was Two being considered for the Heisman. Oh, I forgot he played for Notre Dame.
The Porkchop Express
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Watched it last night with my wife, which made it a lot more fun. She only knew Manziel and Sumlin (she's a Coog) out of the cast of characters.

On the positive side, it did a great job of showing that football was really just a conduit for Manziel to get what he wanted - drinking beer, partying, having money to spend, and hot girls to spend it on. That evolved from the ability to go drink beer on the ranch after winning a high school game to being able to fly in a private jet to Miami or Vegas or wherever and go crazy at a club full of celebrities. It's insane to think that someone that good at football didn't really like football that much, but watching him talk about it, it definitely connects.

When Uncle Nate came on, my wife says ,who's that and I say, "Oh, he's a d*Bag."
When Kliff Kingsbury came on, she asked the same question, and got the same answer.

His agent stole the show. I'd watch a Netflix series of that guy talking about pretty much anything.

I've only read a couple of pages of the thread, but it definitely feels like the producers ran out of money about minute 50. Nothing about the CFL, or the AAF, of the Fan-Controlled league. For a guy who hated football, he sure kept trying to cash on it.

Felt the documentary really missed the mark on any sort of accountability, particularly from his parents. They come across as "aw shucks, oh well, what can we do?" and there's nothing asking them how was he raised, what virtues did you instill in him, what did you do when he got in trouble growing up.

Ditto on pressing on the sheer incredulity of a first-round draft pick getting cut in the NFL before his rookie contract is up. Or asking him if he felt any remorse for continuing to draw more than $2 million in contract money from the Browns after they cut him.

AustinCountyAg
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Finally watched it last night. I thought it was "okay". Wish they went into more detail about the off field stuff and more stories. It was too bland and too quick imo.

Pretty safe to say Johnny was just a good old small town type of Tx boy who was a freak athlete and loved to win, but didn't love football. Loved to drink beer and have a good time and it's pretty obvious he was babies by his parents and his teacher/coaches growing up. I'd venture to guess he probably should've been in trouble multiple times in HS and would always get let off the hook because his athletic ability. That eventually led to his downfall imo. Zero accountability from his parents and other people who should've intervened.
Come Out Roll
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Saw it this afternoon.
My take was :
Winning the Heisman was the best thing that happened to Aggieland - and was the worst thing that happened to Manzeil.
bigfooticus
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Browns were like, "he throws a good ball to lawyers and agents, let's draft him"
LMCane
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I watched it over the weekend.

very interesting.

I think it did not bash the University as much as it bashed just superstardom

Manziel seemed to take some responsibility for his actions

he is literally the poster child for "throwing away every possible opportunity" by immaturity and poor decision making.

I'm sure his mental issues have something to do with it. did his drug use create mental issues, or the mental issues created the drug use?

one thing I definitely remember from a decade ago was hearing that Manziel "came from a wealthy family of oil money" which was a complete fabrication- good thing someone in the media checked into it!
wood2007
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Man, so many clips from that 2012 season that I can remember where I was when I saw those things happen and how I felt at THAT moment. I've never had as much fun watching football as I did that season.

I've only read the first couple pages in this thread, but have a couple of thoughts on some posts.

1: the LARGE majority of us had NO idea how JFF was in the FL game. I can remember thinking "oh great, we join the SEC and we have a freshman QB. This is going to be an embarrassing year." Am I remembering correctly that he didn't start that game though? I can remember we were starting to come back towards the end of the game and Johnny showed flashes of what we would soon all come to know.

2. all the talk of if the coaching staff had only or if his dad had only or if we just had a different head coach... But the thing is, JFF admitted he was there to have fun. If anyone had tried to real him in, I highly doubt we would have seen the same JFF on the field that we did. If he had been MADE to watch film or MADE to follow the playbook, MADE to do this or that, I just don't think he would have been as great (for us).

It's also funny how so much of what was jokingly said back then here on the forums was actually truth: he was improvising on the field, Sumlin, or anybody for that matter, had no control, playing hung over etc. I guess some of the posters on here might have known those things for sure, but it just seemed so outlandish that it had to be humorous rumor - at least to me at that time.
THE_CHOSEN_ONE
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I remember being extremely optimistic about Johnny and our team after the Florida game, and having multiple Florida fans coming up to me after the game saying that Johnny would win the Heisman one day.
DrZ
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I have not watched the show. If they said there was never oil money then that is just wrong. Its public record. Search Manziel oil gas mineral. There are 8-12 companies under various names. They own minerals in at least 14 counties. His parents dont have money. Grandpa got pissed and gave it all to the grand kids. To claim that all of JFFs money came from autographs and such is a lie.
TXAG 05
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wood2007 said:

Man, so many clips from that 2012 season that I can remember where I was when I saw those things happen and how I felt at THAT moment. I've never had as much fun watching football as I did that season.

I've only read the first couple pages in this thread, but have a couple of thoughts on some posts.

1: the LARGE majority of us had NO idea how JFF was in the FL game. I can remember thinking "oh great, we join the SEC and we have a freshman QB. This is going to be an embarrassing year." Am I remembering correctly that he didn't start that game though? I can remember we were starting to come back towards the end of the game and Johnny showed flashes of what we would soon all come to know.

2. all the talk of if the coaching staff had only or if his dad had only or if we just had a different head coach... But the thing is, JFF admitted he was there to have fun. If anyone had tried to real him in, I highly doubt we would have seen the same JFF on the field that we did. If he had been MADE to watch film or MADE to follow the playbook, MADE to do this or that, I just don't think he would have been as great (for us).

It's also funny how so much of what was jokingly said back then here on the forums was actually truth: he was improvising on the field, Sumlin, or anybody for that matter, had no control, playing hung over etc. I guess some of the posters on here might have known those things for sure, but it just seemed so outlandish that it had to be humorous rumor - at least to me at that time.


Johnny started the game.
 
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