Time for the SEC to add Clemson and Florida State


f you Snakey, South Calalaka, and Floriduh

How about A&M to the B10 & give a big FU to tu.

Phoenix1 said:

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How about A&M to the B10 & give a big FU to tu.

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Just….no

Phoenix1 said:

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How about A&M to the B10 & give a big FU to tu.

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A&M would be an awful cultural fit for the Big 10

The Chicken Ranch said:

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Phoenix1 said:

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How about A&M to the B10 & give a big FU to tu.

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Just….no

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The problem is A&M will never leave the sec because they can't think outside the box.
All the great coaches think outside the box.

Not agreeing with the ridiculous comment about culture differences.
Do you go to the games to talk about politics or watch a football game? If you go to discuss politics, you are an idiot.

Academically Texas A&M belongs in the Big 10 where they have really great universities. The SEC is a glorified group of jr. colleges except for A&M Vanderbilt and Florida.

if you not interested in universities as learning institutions try the NFL

The problem is A&M will never leave the sec because they can't think outside the box.
All the great coaches think outside the box.

Not agreeing with the ridiculous comment about culture differences.
Do you go to the games to talk about politics or watch a football game? If you go to discuss politics, you are an idiot.

Academically Texas A&M belongs in the Big 10 where they have really great universities. The SEC is a glorified group of jr. colleges except for A&M Vanderbilt and Florida.

if you not interested in universities as learning institutions try the NFL

Cultural differences is stupid argument
I went to the Holiday bowl about 15 years ago when the Cal Bears ***** slapped the Ags
Cal fans were just like most Flagship U fans. Lots of Berkeley students do not support the football team but the fans who did were ok people

Poor Oregon state/Washington state, they're going to end up in who knows what. Heck, even Utah, cal, and stanford should be really worried.

I'm guessing Arizona, ASU and Colorado end up in the big 12.

I was there too. Many Cal fans were worse than tceh fans.

I can't imagine the mess the Big 12 would be travel-wise if WSU, OSU, Stanford, Cal, etc. join the league. But I guess if USC and UCLA are willing to make conference trips to Penn State, Maryland, and Rutgers, it won't be that big of a stretch for Washington State to go to Central Florida for games.

I get that change is inevitable in college sports, but can we please stop pretending these schools care at all about their athletes? My one wish is that all of the powers that be (TV execs, school presidents, athletic directors, etc.) just call it what it is - a great big money grab. Drop the term "student athlete" and forget about things like cultural and academic fits. No one believes these folks when they preach that, so just come out and tell us what you're doing, and that's finding ways to line the most people's pockets with the most amount of cash.

Luke, that last sentence is spot on! It also stands in stark contrast to the recent additions to the SEC which has netted each member zilch to begin with. The B1G's bottom line is growing, the SEC's……not so much.

I've always thought of A&M as more of a "national" university than tu but that was mainly because of the Cadet Corps rather than sports where we have usually concentrated on giving scholarships to Texans.
By "national" university, I mean like Army, Navy, Air Force - but that is the past, A&M is now so huge it is in a league of its own.

NBMaroon said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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Phoenix1 said:

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How about A&M to the B10 & give a big FU to tu.

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Just….no

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The problem is A&M will never leave the sec because they can't think outside the box.
All the great coaches think outside the box.

Not agreeing with the ridiculous comment about culture differences.
Do you go to the games to talk about politics or watch a football game? If you go to discuss politics, you are an idiot.

Academically Texas A&M belongs in the Big 10 where they have really great universities. The SEC is a glorified group of jr. colleges except for A&M Vanderbilt and Florida.

if you not interested in universities as learning institutions try the NFL

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We're more like Texas Tech academically than Michigan.

Reno Hightower said:

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Luke, that last sentence is spot on! It also stands in stark contrast to the recent additions to the SEC which has netted each member zilch to begin with. The B1G's bottom line is growing, the SEC's……not so much.

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Well tu's and OU's pockets will be lined with more cash. Sankey's likely will be along with a few ESPN execs. So we should all be happy about that at least.

Rongagin71 said:

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I've always thought of A&M as more of a "national" university than tu but that was mainly because of the Cadet Corps rather than sports where we have usually concentrated on giving scholarships to Texans.
By "national" university, I mean like Army, Navy, Air Force - but that is the past, A&M is now so huge it is in a league of its own.

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If anything, the Corps makes A&M much more regional than national. I've got nothing against the Corps, but no one outside of the Trigon puts them in the same category as the true service academies.

I don't know what definition of "national university" he's using, but when almost 95% of your students are in-state, I don't think you are one.

NBMaroon said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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Phoenix1 said:

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How about A&M to the B10 & give a big FU to tu.

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Just….no

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The problem is A&M will never leave the sec because they can't think outside the box.
All the great coaches think outside the box.

Not agreeing with the ridiculous comment about culture differences.
Do you go to the games to talk about politics or watch a football game? If you go to discuss politics, you are an idiot.

Academically Texas A&M belongs in the Big 10 where they have really great universities. The SEC is a glorified group of jr. colleges except for A&M Vanderbilt and Florida.

if you not interested in universities as learning institutions try the NFL

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Mizzou and Texas are also AAU. Which doesn't mean I disagree with your categorization but just noting the differentiator the Big Ten historically has used.

I've never understood the argument to leave the SEC. It is the best product in college football.

NBMaroon said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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Phoenix1 said:

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How about A&M to the B10 & give a big FU to tu.

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Just….no

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The problem is A&M will never leave the sec because they can't think outside the box.
All the great coaches think outside the box.

Not agreeing with the ridiculous comment about culture differences.
Do you go to the games to talk about politics or watch a football game? If you go to discuss politics, you are an idiot.

Academically Texas A&M belongs in the Big 10 where they have really great universities. The SEC is a glorified group of jr. colleges except for A&M Vanderbilt and Florida.

if you not interested in universities as learning institutions try the NFL

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Here's a little secret. Conference affiliation has nothing to do with academic or research excellence. It's just a way for the B10 to fluff themselves.

If they really valued these things they would be adding Stanford and not Oregon.

NBMaroon said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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Phoenix1 said:

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How about A&M to the B10 & give a big FU to tu.

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Just….no

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The problem is A&M will never leave the sec because they can't think outside the box.

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Isn't thinking outside the box how we got to the SEC?

NBMaroon said:

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The problem is A&M will never leave the sec because they can't think outside the box.
All the great coaches think outside the box.

Not agreeing with the ridiculous comment about culture differences.
Do you go to the games to talk about politics or watch a football game? If you go to discuss politics, you are an idiot.

Academically Texas A&M belongs in the Big 10 where they have really great universities. The SEC is a glorified group of jr. colleges except for A&M Vanderbilt and Florida.

if you not interested in universities as learning institutions try the NFL

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TAMU always has been and always will be a southern land grant school. We should have been a founding member of the SEC. It's where we belong. I don't like tu being in the SEC at all, but I damn sure don't want us to leave because of it.

We should just go ahead and add FSU, Clemson, NCSU and VT and just all it a day.

When there was talk of A&M to the Big 10 instead of the SEC, I was living in Chicago, so I loved the idea. It would get us out of the Big 12, give us a big pay jump, and allowed us to rub the sips nose in the dirt by being in a conference with elite academic institutions. A&M is very similar to a lot of the Big 10 school, especially Illinois, Minnesota, Purdue, and Penn State.

Travel to the Big 10 would be a pain, especially for spring sports. The problem with adding other schools to the SEC is the addition of Texas and Oklahoma, two "elite" programs, appears to result in no higher pay out to existing schools. If Texas & OU don't move the needle, why does anyone think adding FSU and Clemson would do anything? Why would ESPN pay more for two schools they already have?

With the deals with FOX, CBS and NBC, the Big 10 is swimming in money. Adding A&M would add even more money. Can't think it would hurt to look.

TyperWoods said:

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Time for the SEC to add Clemson and Florida State


f you Snakey, South Calalaka, and Floriduh

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I wonder if Sankey sold the SEC schools on adding Texas and Oklahoma by promising increased payouts to the current SEC schools? If it turns out that Vandy and MSU get the same payout (which appears to be less than the B1G) for the increased pain of dealing with the Texas and OU, why did the SEC make the deal?

When the conference added Arkansas and South Carolina, they conference got the SEC championship game. When the conference added A&M and Mizzou, they got the SEC Network. What was the point of adding Texas and Oklahoma if there is no extra money?

ESPN getting to scuttle the money pit known as sipTV drove adding sip and the land thieves.

It was 100% ESPN looking out for ESPN and Snakey lining his own pockets.

The Chicken Ranch said:

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NBMaroon said:

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The problem is A&M will never leave the sec because they can't think outside the box.
All the great coaches think outside the box.

Not agreeing with the ridiculous comment about culture differences.
Do you go to the games to talk about politics or watch a football game? If you go to discuss politics, you are an idiot.

Academically Texas A&M belongs in the Big 10 where they have really great universities. The SEC is a glorified group of jr. colleges except for A&M Vanderbilt and Florida.

if you not interested in universities as learning institutions try the NFL

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TAMU always has been and always will be a southern land grant school. We should have been a founding member of the SEC. It's where we belong. I don't like tu being in the SEC at all, but I damn sure don't want us to leave because of it.

We should just go ahead and add FSU, Clemson, NCSU and VT and just all it a day.

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Do you think the SEC would prefer NCSU and VT over UNC and UVA? Or are you considering that UNC and UVA would choice the B1G over the SEC?

This earlier article on outkick provides potentially viable explanations on timeline and drops a hint that Oregon and UDub might start well below the regular conference payout at $40 million per annum.

https://www.outkick.com/oregon-washington-big-ten-kevin-warren-expansion-realignment-report/

Emilio Fantastico said:

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ESPN getting to scuttle the money pit known as sipTV drove adding sip and the land thieves.

It was 100% ESPN looking out for ESPN and Snakey lining his own pockets.

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Can't blame ESPN for doing the deal. It got them out of bad deal they used to keep Texas in the Big 12, and now they get the Texas/OU game every year. My questions is who does Sankey work for? The SEC or ESPN. Last time I looked his check said SEC. You have an obligation to inform ALL members of major developments, not just your special friends.

NBMaroon said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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Phoenix1 said:

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How about A&M to the B10 & give a big FU to tu.

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Just….no

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The problem is A&M will never leave the sec because they can't think outside the box.
All the great coaches think outside the box.

Not agreeing with the ridiculous comment about culture differences.
Do you go to the games to talk about politics or watch a football game? If you go to discuss politics, you are an idiot.

Academically Texas A&M belongs in the Big 10 where they have really great universities. The SEC is a glorified group of jr. colleges except for A&M Vanderbilt and Florida.

if you not interested in universities as learning institutions try the NFL

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You mean think outside the box like we did when we defied tu and went our own path to the SEC instead of PAC12?

Come on man. We get it. You want that. Doesn't mean what you are posting isn't BS.

Sports affiliations have nothing to do with the academic reputation of a school. Unless you win in a great conference and drastically improve the quality of your incoming class like Bama and Georgia have done in the SEC.

RealTalk said:

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NBMaroon said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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Phoenix1 said:

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How about A&M to the B10 & give a big FU to tu.

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Just….no

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The problem is A&M will never leave the sec because they can't think outside the box.
All the great coaches think outside the box.

Not agreeing with the ridiculous comment about culture differences.
Do you go to the games to talk about politics or watch a football game? If you go to discuss politics, you are an idiot.

Academically Texas A&M belongs in the Big 10 where they have really great universities. The SEC is a glorified group of jr. colleges except for A&M Vanderbilt and Florida.

if you not interested in universities as learning institutions try the NFL

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We're more like Texas Tech academically than Michigan.

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Not really. All American universities are basically scams.

greg.w.h said:

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This earlier article on outkick provides potentially viable explanations on timeline and drops a hint that Oregon and UDub might start well below the regular conference payout at $40 million per annum.

https://www.outkick.com/oregon-washington-big-ten-kevin-warren-expansion-realignment-report/

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Long term having two members make $40 Million and the other 16 make $80 Million is not a formula for a long term partnership. That being said, $40M from the B1G is better than what the Pac 12 can pay.

Bottom line, the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah can go the Big 12. I don't know Washington State, Oregon State, Cal and Stanford will do.

McInnis80 said:

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Emilio Fantastico said:

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ESPN getting to scuttle the money pit known as sipTV drove adding sip and the land thieves.

It was 100% ESPN looking out for ESPN and Snakey lining his own pockets.

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Can't blame ESPN for doing the deal. It got them out of bad deal they used to keep Texas in the Big 12, and now they get the Texas/OU game every year. My questions is who does Sankey work for? The SEC or ESPN. Last time I looked his check said SEC. You have an obligation to inform ALL members of major developments, not just your special friends.

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That's a pretty naive take. Heck, even the "leaders" of A&M and the A&M System are much more interested in cronyism and lining their pockets, so why would it be so hard to believe the head of the SEC would be any different?

McInnis80 said:

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Emilio Fantastico said:

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ESPN getting to scuttle the money pit known as sipTV drove adding sip and the land thieves.

It was 100% ESPN looking out for ESPN and Snakey lining his own pockets.

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Can't blame ESPN for doing the deal. It got them out of bad deal they used to keep Texas in the Big 12, and now they get the Texas/OU game every year. My questions is who does Sankey work for? The SEC or ESPN. Last time I looked his check said SEC. You have an obligation to inform ALL members of major developments, not just your special friends.

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There is zero evidence of the speculation you reference in any of the more trustworthy news reports I've read. Which doesn't make it false, of course. But relying on thinly sourced information is what crazy people do.

McInnis80 said:

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greg.w.h said:

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This earlier article on outkick provides potentially viable explanations on timeline and drops a hint that Oregon and UDub might start well below the regular conference payout at $40 million per annum.

https://www.outkick.com/oregon-washington-big-ten-kevin-warren-expansion-realignment-report/

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Long term having two members make $40 Million and the other 16 make $80 Million is not a formula for a long term partnership. That being said, $40M from the B1G is better than what the Pac 12 can pay.

Bottom line, the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah can go the Big 12. I don't know Washington State, Oregon State, Cal and Stanford will do.

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I hadn't read that before reading the article today. So color me skeptical. But it was interesting at least.

McInnis80 said:

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greg.w.h said:

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This earlier article on outkick provides potentially viable explanations on timeline and drops a hint that Oregon and UDub might start well below the regular conference payout at $40 million per annum.

https://www.outkick.com/oregon-washington-big-ten-kevin-warren-expansion-realignment-report/

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Long term having two members make $40 Million and the other 16 make $80 Million is not a formula for a long term partnership. That being said, $40M from the B1G is better than what the Pac 12 can pay.

Bottom line, the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah can go the Big 12. I don't know Washington State, Oregon State, Cal and Stanford will do.

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Washington State and Oregon State will be regulated to the MWC.

They are far to out of the way and far to small to be picked up anywhere else.

Looking at average attendance numbers and Washington State is actually much smaller than schools like Boise State, and near the bottom of all current power 5 schools.