Schools collectives do offer contracts to the players. We heard recently of he $5 million offer to a QB to transfer from one school to another. Do you think Coca Cola or Academy Sports made the offer to the QB? Why would Coca Cola care about which school an athlete plays? No, it was the Coach of the school that made the offer.

Private companies can make an NIL deal with players, but in most cases school collectives do deals with funds collected from boosters. And they are not thinking of marketing products from their name/image/likeness. They are paying to play. Some coaches are stating this openly. There are school collectives out there that pay each player on the team $10k - $15k per year. Mississippi State payed their 6 top defensive linemen as a collective just to stay on the team and not hit the portal. When MSU would not fork over the amount RaRa was demanding, he transferred to Georgia.

SEC Collectives Ranked: https://www.si.com/college/auburn/football/college-football-ranking-the-strength-of-every-nil-collective-in-the-sec-football

redjalapeno-87 said:

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Schools collectives do offer contracts to the players. We heard recently of he $5 million offer to a QB to transfer from one school to another. Do you think Coca Cola or Academy Sports made the offer to the QB? Why would Coca Cola care about which school an athlete plays? No, it was the Coach of the school that made the offer.

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yes, because how does the collective know which recruits or players to target / offer?

the coaching staff has told the collective who they (the coaches) want -- to whom to make the big offer

I suggest a parallel football league for those schools who will offer football but no scholarships. Keep the current system in tack and have a form of club football but allow the frills like playing in Kyle field, the band, fans, etc. See what happens.

I don't think that this NIL idea was ever supposed to turn into schools bidding on players and putting together "packages" of NIL money to entice players to commit to or come play for their school.

I think it should be limited to the following:
1) if a player wanted to offer his "name, image or likeness" to businesses - local or otherwise - to help market their products or services.
2) players collecting a percentage or a royalty on merchandise bearing their name / jersey number.
3) players can make money from ads on social media platforms as "influencers"

And there should be no NIL discussion or NIL deals until after a player has signed a letter of intent. And it can't come from the school, coaches or athletic department. Of course enforcing this would be next to impossible.

Have there already been players getting NIL deals in high school? That will be next if it isn't happening already.

TheCurl84 said:

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned. If this was an agreement signed in Nov/Dec, before he was enrolled as a student at UF, isn't that against NCAA rules? I thought an athlete couldn't sign an NIL deal until they officially became a student.

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If I read the article correctly, he still has not enrolled. So it would seem that he would be within his rights to enroll somewhere else, and spend the spring using the NIL money from that source to pay for his lawyers, to invalidate his letter of intent to Florida.

And who are we kidding? I think it is only a matter of time before letters of intent also get thrown out as being unconstitutionally binding. Consider the move afoot to have nondisclosure agreements banned for that same reason. It's not that far away.

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I don't think that this NIL idea was ever supposed to turn into schools bidding on players and putting together "packages" of NIL money to entice players to commit to or come play for their school.

I think it should be limited to the following:
1) if a player wanted to offer his "name, image or likeness" to businesses - local or otherwise - to help market their products or services.
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2) players collecting a percentage or a royalty on merchandise bearing their name / jersey number.

And there should be no NIL discussion or NIL deals until after a player has signed a letter of intent. And it can't come from the school, coaches or athletic department. Of course enforcing this would be next to impossible.

Have there already been players getting NIL deals in high school? That will be next if it isn't happening already.

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Ding Ding Ding. Sounds like most of these deals have zero to do with NIL. Therre should be zero contracts with the school and I would think only local businesses should have clauses or even care if they play for the local university. Otherwise I would think you would want the kid going to where they would be most successful and gain most publicity.

Informed observers have seen the NIL chaos coming. P5 college football is off the rails and there is no stopping the "free market" and "individual entitlement" arguments from radically and negatively changing it. Elite players are now for sale to the highest bidder, and players easily changing schools to chase more money is becoming commonplace.

Many fans are realizing that their identification with and dedication to particular college teams is greatly diminished by the mercenary and transient characteristics of the players. Accept/embrace the change, live with it, or walk away.

I guess y'all don't believe in free market economies and capitalism.

Plot twist now you guys care

https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3355532/replies/64069099

Iowaggie said:

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If this type of stuff was really predictable is it out of control?

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It's not out of control, people are just shocked for some reason that top coaches are worth over $90M and players are somehow worth more than tuition/room/board. Weird that somehow Saban can't do it without players.

It was all predictable. No way the new additional layer of lawyers/Agents/Parents/ PR firms were going to be added to the mix of players negotiating where they might end up. Before it was…..guarantee me playtime. Now it is show me the money and guarantee me play time.

…..in that environment it will be hard for backups to get play time.

Still think paying players is a good idea?

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Florida is nuts to offer one player $13 MM

however after just a year and a half of NIL...these collectives and boosters have started putting cancellation clauses, opt out clauses, and so forth in the contracts.

basically limiting the guaranteed money in case the player transfers or turns out not to be good

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If what I buy at the auction doesn't pan out, I sell it.

Georgia thanks its great. Aggies not so much.

I just think that NIL should have contracts that keep the player at the school for at least 2 years, if the university does not terminate them for cause. THe amount of money is a free market, No reason to gripe one way or the other. If someone wants to pay it, great for the kid.

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I just think that NIL should have contracts that keep the player at the school for at least 2 years, if the university does not terminate them for cause. THe amount of money is a free market, No reason to gripe one way or the other. If someone wants to pay it, great for the kid.

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Tell us you know nothing about NIL without telling us you know nothing about NIL.

Popping in because this seems like the appropriate thread to post this. Was talking to a family member about recruiting and the transfer portal. Ant Hill came up. I told him that it made me sad that he went to tu. I mentioned that NIL $$ may have been involved. The family member told me he had talked to a recruiter at tu and said that we rumored to have offered him $1M in NIL money and tu didn't offer nearly as half as much as that so it wasn't NIL related why he switched commits. I found that 1) extremely hard to believe that we offered that much and 2) if we did offer that much why he was stupid enough to turn that down to go to another program offering significantly less.

All of this to say the NIL and the stories surrounding how much recruits are being offered is creating so much confusion. You can claim tampering and through out arbitrary numbers to make your claims sound true. (I.E. Reports that claim Bama boosters to have offered Drake Maye $5M to transfer to Bama) But without the receipts and ways to verify how much $$ a recruit gets its just all conjecture and nothing will come of it.

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I guess y'all don't believe in free market economies and capitalism.

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Not sure what that means; people analyze and discuss markets and investment strategies all the time to figure out what works and what produces the best product. I'm not sure why some people are afraid of a little discussion and criticism of the changing market to see where it's going. Everyone with a slightly critical eye and long term interest in the sport is watching and discussing the state of flux that college football is in right now.

Asking how a house was built and what kind of flood plane it's in does not mean that one doesn't believe in the idea of private property.

And it's pretty natural for ordinary fans to begin to ask what their own contributions and support mean in the new landscape.

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Why is it we know the value of every nfl players contract and this nil crap is so mysterious?

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Because if we did everything out in the open, it would kill the NCAA, and for now the NCAA still makes the NIL rules.

Have they ever said what could happen if a business didn't pay a player? Nothing lol

No more than it should have been put down the first time a HC got paid more than a professor.

Per the link below, for the elite recruits the going NIL rate is $20k - $25k per month. Most colleges affiliate NIL rate is $2k to $3k per month for the non-elite players.


That is in the ballpark of what Mississippi sports reporters said Ole Piss RB Judson got after his SEC rushing production. Judson got $500k total over 2 years after his freshman production. MSU receiver RaRa wanted a similar deal, and MSU could not afford that in their NIL affiliate budget, so he goes to Georgia.

There are a significant number of universities (G5) that need to take a long look in the mirror to see if competing at a Division 1 level is truly worth it. There are a lot of places where the athletic department is surviving because of student fees. It is understandable that a lot of students pay fees for stuff they may not use, programs that are stupid, or resources that few have access to, but nothing like the amount like Sun Belt, MAC, etc students pay to support college athletes that add a couple thousand on to their student debt.

D3 schools were smart. We are going to have students pay us to continue playing sports, and if students want to watch the student-athlete play, great. If alumni want to throw $10K towards the student, who cares?

Even the D2 schools that go half athletic scholarship are still getting students to pay half tuition and R&B, and they probably end up ahead.

Clearly, the P5 schools are doing well. The lower D1 schools (G5)...something has to give in the coming years because are there any more "promotions" from G5 to P5 remaining?

Only about 12% of D1 schools are profitable. D3 kids aren't paying full boat either, getting some type of academic aid.

If some believe we need to separate the haves from the havenots, then we just become the doormat in the haves group & people will then ***** about seeing the same teams in the CFP, or whatever you want to call it, year after year. Kinda like it is now.

I thought we were all capitalists, if the market deems they are worth that much why is it a bad thing?

Iowaggie said:

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There are a significant number of universities (G5) that need to take a long look in the mirror to see if competing at a Division 1 level is truly worth it. There are a lot of places where the athletic department is surviving because of student fees. It is understandable that a lot of students pay fees for stuff they may not use, programs that are stupid, or resources that few have access to, but nothing like the amount like Sun Belt, MAC, etc students pay to support college athletes that add a couple thousand on to their student debt.

D3 schools were smart. We are going to have students pay us to continue playing sports, and if students want to watch the student-athlete play, great. If alumni want to throw $10K towards the student, who cares?

Even the D2 schools that go half athletic scholarship are still getting students to pay half tuition and R&B, and they probably end up ahead.

Clearly, the P5 schools are doing well. The lower D1 schools (G5)...something has to give in the coming years because are there any more "promotions" from G5 to P5 remaining?

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Its coming. I said a long time ago that NIL would kill college football as we know it. There will be a league of 40 or so teams and the rest will go away. And that is a tragedy.

Why is players getting paid a bad thing?

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Josh Pate stated on his show that Florida screwed up the deal and he didn't blame the player.

$13mil for a QB out of high school is idiotic. NIL has gotten out of control. There has to be some new rules that for a 5* player every school has a limit on how much they can offer something like the NFL.

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I agree it's a ridiculous sum of money.

But why shouldn't the kid be able to earn whatever he can and whatever the market can bear? There are many people in this country earning ridiculous sums of money for what they do, in my opinion. But- that's part of capitalism.

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The problem here (and all over) is the market clearly didn't actually bear it. He was lied to. This isn't like an nfl contract, there are plenty of kids pissed about not getting what was promised.

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Like a "pinky-promise?!"

Never bet on a promise. Get it in writing.

Chase Lane indicated in a podcast for TexAgs that many of these NIL deals have fine-print and don't realize they got screwed.

If someone presents you with a $13M "deal" or "promise" you better have an advocate or someone who knows how a $13M deal gets paid.

And a promise of "oh we'll change that, just sign it" is on the signer.

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So are players now allowed to have agents?

If not, they should at least be allowed to retain counsel to represent them in these NIL contractual negotiations. They're definitely not sophisticated parties to the NIL contracts.

Doubt anyone knows but I wonder what our largest single deal has been so far; I'm guessing that we had some big ones last year.

They will have to get a handle on this. I think Pate is to correct that the conferences will have to step in to fix some of this. If you offer an 18 year old 14 million, of course he's going to take it. When you tell him the money isn't there, of course he's going to leave. This is 100% on Florida for ever even offering it.

Allowed to obtain "professional represention" for purpose of NIL

Iowaggie said:

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There are a significant number of universities (G5?) that need to take a long look in the mirror to see if competing at a Division 1 level is truly worth it.

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With Texas/Ou bolting the BDF and USC/UCLA the Pac-X, not sure that number is only 5 anymore.

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Why is players getting paid a bad thing?

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Been asking this for years, no one's ever answered. Have always figured that Aggies were capitalists but as soon as increasing pay for players (considering an athletic scholarship counts as payment, since that's the only argument they have) then people get all bitter and mean. Somehow they can't enjoy college football if the players are better compensated. It's the weirdest thing. Maybe they'd enjoy it more if the players didn't get any compensation.