Yeah, recruiting doesn't matter. Ask Bama and Georgia. They are all lunch pale 3 stars. TCU had a remarkable year but won't sustain success like the aforementioned programs have. They will be third or fourth next year after they replace Diggins and Johnson, and will be good but not great.

DowntownDallas99 said:

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Not one of you would put money on TCU making it back to the playoffs next year.

I wonder why.......



Probably because their QB is leaving for the pro's, and their OC is leaving them for us.

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Considering that Duggan had already been beaten out by Aggie Chad's boy (a red shirt freshman!) I would imagine they'll be fine at QB next year

TCU is NOt full of four and five star recruits
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Do your homework

Now do Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama and Penn State

jonb02 said:

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Doesn't mean ****e.

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But you'd think it did if we were ranked #50.

bulverdeaggie93 said:

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for me, A&M would have a much better chance at 4-team playoff in Big 12… TCU ain't making playoffs in SEC.

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Read an article today that stated KSU and Ohio State learned what all SEC teams know: that GA, AL, LSU-type teams just beat the hell out of you and wear your team down with injuries.

Factor in that there are teams that play them mid season and become depleted annually due to this, it's really impossible to compare the conferences.

This happens to us every year when we play Alabama late September.

TCU isn't in the SEC

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DallasAg 94 said:

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txaggieacct85 said:

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Now you're talking. I've been saying I would rather have a hungry hard working 3 star over a lazy 5 star all day every day

Also stars are awarded based on which teams are offering, which is self fulfilling for top teams

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You realize 9 of 22 starters for TCU were transfers that are not included in those rankings.

You also realize, TCU isn't filled with young 3*s.

12 of the 22 TCU Starters are listed as Sr or RS Sr.

TCU will disappear from stage as quickly as they took it.

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They have 2 underclassmen starting. 2! Both are on defense.

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Replicate all but 2 upperclassmen starting and you'll have the formula. More important than stars and most programs can't keep the good ones for 4 years.

Recruiting hasn't been the biggest problem. Developing those players seem to have taken a back seat.

Hamburger Dan said:

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Recruiting hasn't been the biggest problem. Developing those players seem to have taken a back seat.

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How can you develop players when they leave/retire/whatever before they can even be considered an upperclassman?

jonb02 said:

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Per 247 sports.

2019 - A&M 4th
2019 - TCU 32nd

2020 - A&M 6th
2020 - TCU 23rd

2021 - A&M 8th
2021- TCU 54th

2022 - A&M 1st
2022 - TCU 45th

2023 - A&M 13th
2023 - TCU 18th

Proof it doesn't mean squat

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Do that same analysis on the teams that won a natty the past 10 years

If we had juniors and seniors starting we would be at the top. Next year Tcu will be back where they normally are!

To those arguing recruiting rankings don't matter:

Report back here in 1 week.

It's gonna be a slaughter.

Multiple things can be true. Listen, it'd be a disaster if we weren't moving the needle on getting players here. To argue it doesn't matter is dumb. It doesn't make the other issues less important to note the importance of recruiting.

The Collective said:

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Multiple things can be true. Listen, it'd be a disaster if we weren't moving the needle on getting players here. To argue it doesn't matter is dumb. It doesn't make the other issues less important to note the importance of recruiting.

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Agreed, it's almost like there's nuance to fielding a consistent, quality team so you need a combo of seniority and star players!

jonb02 said:

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Per 247 sports.

2019 - A&M 4th
2019 - TCU 32nd

2020 - A&M 6th
2020 - TCU 23rd

2021 - A&M 8th
2021- TCU 54th

2022 - A&M 1st
2022 - TCU 45th

2023 - A&M 13th
2023 - TCU 18th

Proof it doesn't mean squat

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ha, now do bama, ohio state, Georgia


How to tell me you failed stat wo telling me you failed stat

What needs to happen is our talent playing with the intensity that TCU played with vs Mich. TCU will need to do same vs GA to have a chance. GA will be ready.

DallasAg 94 said:

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txaggieacct85 said:

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Now you're talking. I've been saying I would rather have a hungry hard working 3 star over a lazy 5 star all day every day

Also stars are awarded based on which teams are offering, which is self fulfilling for top teams

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You realize 9 of 22 starters for TCU were transfers that are not included in those rankings.

You also realize, TCU isn't filled with young 3*s.

12 of the 22 TCU Starters are listed as Sr or RS Sr.

TCU will disappear from stage as quickly as they took it.

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I agree.
But it also reveals something that A&M can emulate. It's pretty apparent now that experience matters in today's CFB.

Bag said:

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jonb02 said:

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Per 247 sports.

2019 - A&M 4th
2019 - TCU 32nd

2020 - A&M 6th
2020 - TCU 23rd

2021 - A&M 8th
2021- TCU 54th

2022 - A&M 1st
2022 - TCU 45th

2023 - A&M 13th
2023 - TCU 18th

Proof it doesn't mean squat

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ha, now do bama, ohio state, Georgia


How to tell me you failed stat wo telling me you failed stat

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haha exactly! I love it how idiots cherry pick info and present it as some great insight.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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txaggieacct85 said:

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Now you're talking. I've been saying I would rather have a hungry hard working 3 star over a lazy 5 star all day every day

Also stars are awarded based on which teams are offering, which is self fulfilling for top teams

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You realize 9 of 22 starters for TCU were transfers that are not included in those rankings.

You also realize, TCU isn't filled with young 3*s.

12 of the 22 TCU Starters are listed as Sr or RS Sr.

TCU will disappear from stage as quickly as they took it.

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I agree.
But it also reveals something that A&M can emulate. It's pretty apparent now that experience matters in today's CFB.

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In a vast majority of the cases it will still be heavy HS recruits that make it to the playoffs but transfers will account for a few key spots. I do not see TCU's model working consistently.

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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jonb02 said:

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Per 247 sports.

2019 - A&M 4th
2019 - TCU 32nd

2020 - A&M 6th
2020 - TCU 23rd

2021 - A&M 8th
2021- TCU 54th

2022 - A&M 1st
2022 - TCU 45th

2023 - A&M 13th
2023 - TCU 18th

Proof it doesn't mean squat

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you have to take your hat off to TCU they have earned this opportunity no doubt. but let's not act as if this isn't an anomaly? historical recruiting rankings and success go hand in hand

i will say over the last 30 days very few programs have done as well as we have. jimbo has reeled in some players recently.

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Yet the Mississippi schools beat us with 3* athletes a majority of the time. Is that an anomaly also. No, it is evidence that recruiting is important but not as important as people on this board seem to think.

PS They beat us primarily with innovative offenses not defense.

SteveA said:

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It means something. If you are Alabama or Georgia, and you have a lot of guys leave, you still have guys behind them that can play. If you have mediocre recruiting the guys are forced to stick around until they are seniors, since most won't go to the nfl, which is better for a college football team. We have to do a better job of retaining upper classmen.

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So, stop recruiting 4 & 5 stats then? Got it.

RealTalk said:

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jonb02 said:

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Per 247 sports.

2019 - A&M 4th
2019 - TCU 32nd

2020 - A&M 6th
2020 - TCU 23rd

2021 - A&M 8th
2021- TCU 54th

2022 - A&M 1st
2022 - TCU 45th

2023 - A&M 13th
2023 - TCU 18th

Proof it doesn't mean squat

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Now let's do Bama/Georgia/Ohio State/Clemson versus TCU please.

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TCU the last 5 years: 7, 5, 6, 5, and 13 wins. Meanwhile the other schools are averaging - AVERAGING - 11 and 12 wins and winning titles left and right.

I'd rather have consistent winning and talent than have to rely on 16 different things to break just right. Also Georgia is going to embarrass them on Monday.

Experience is a huge factor

A team of 3/4 stars with a bunch of juniors and seniors can and will beat a team of 4/5 stars with almost all freshmen and sophomores

And COVID has resulted in some weirdly older teams in CFB this year

TCU has very large number of juniors and seniors on their team this year which has been a big factor in their success but may hurt them next year

txaggieacct85 said:

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Now you're talking. I've been saying I would rather have a hungry hard working 3 star over a lazy 5 star all day every day

Also stars are awarded based on which teams are offering, which is self fulfilling for top teams

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This is the program you get when you recruit nothing but "hungry, smart 3 star players who just want to play football":



Under Derek Mason they went 27 - 55. They played 2 bowl games in 7 seven seasons, losing both. The only time they've had success in the modern era was with James Franklin, who led them to 6, 9, and 9 wins with two bowl wins and a loss. They've had only 9 winning seasons since WW2, going 3-4-1 in bowl games.

That's the kind of program you end up with in the SEC. Money and facilities cannot salve a dearth of talent, you Will. Get. Humiliated. Here.

Edit because it is unnecessarily difficult to find a png logo for Vandy football.

SteveA said:

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It means something. If you are Alabama or Georgia, and you have a lot of guys leave, you still have guys behind them that can play. If you have mediocre recruiting the guys are forced to stick around until they are seniors, since most won't go to the nfl, which is better for a college football team. We have to do a better job of retaining upper classmen.

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alot like basketball. teams that recruit good but not great players and keep th thru senior year have
great chance to advance
in tourney.

txaggieacct85 said:

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Now you're talking. I've been saying I would rather have a hungry hard working 3 star over a lazy 5 star all day every day

Also stars are awarded based on which teams are offering, which is self fulfilling for top teams

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What about a hard-working 5-star compared to a hard-working 3-star? Recruiting rankings are not a perfect science, but I sure as hell would rather be bringing in highly rated guys than not.