I was not going to stress over the calculations that recruiting websites use to evaluate a class, but a texter texted the show today saying A&M would still be #3 after the portal guys we have lost, and the hosts just ran with it. This is not true at all, at least by 247 metrics the 6 guys we have lost account for almost 70 out of the 333 point class. For what it's worth, even after taking other team's 2022 attrition into account, that would drop us down to 9th. Two of these guys would have been starting next year, and several others would be solid rotation pieces playing significant snaps.

That leaves us with a good class and one A&M can be happy with, but far from the all-time class we were celebrating. I don't understand just shrugging off the losses and pretending it is still an elite class.

EDIT: I've been corrected on how the 247 calculator actually works, apologies to the random texter and the radio guys

So…why did this class implode this year?

ahpetty33 said:

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I was not going to stress over the calculations that recruiting websites use to evaluate a class, but a texter texted the show today saying A&M would still be #3 after the portal guys we have lost, and the hosts just ran with it. This is not true at all, at least by 247 metrics the 6 guys we have lost account for almost 70 out of the 333 point class. For what it's worth, even after taking other team's 2022 attrition into account, that would drop us down to 9th. Two of these guys would have been starting next year, and several others would be solid rotation pieces playing significant snaps.

That leaves us with a good class and one A&M can be happy with, but far from the all-time class we were celebrating. I don't understand just shrugging off the losses and pretending it is still an elite class.

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Because it's still an elite class.

HTH.

ahpetty33 said:

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I was not going to stress over the calculations that recruiting websites use to evaluate a class, but a texter texted the show today saying A&M would still be #3 after the portal guys we have lost, and the hosts just ran with it. This is not true at all, at least by 247 metrics the 6 guys we have lost account for almost 70 out of the 333 point class. For what it's worth, even after taking other team's 2022 attrition into account, that would drop us down to 9th. Two of these guys would have been starting next year, and several others would be solid rotation pieces playing significant snaps.

That leaves us with a good class and one A&M can be happy with, but far from the all-time class we were celebrating. I don't understand just shrugging off the losses and pretending it is still an elite class.

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So #9 doesn't qualify as an elite class?

The portal is still open and loom for players to announce their intentions as soon as they finish their seasons. So those other teams (and possibly ours) haven't lost all of the players they are going to lose yet.

You can each feel free to define your cutoff for elite however you want, that's definitely a matter of opinion. But Jimbo's previous 3 classes were #8, #6, and #4, and those recruiting classes teamed up to produce a 5-7 record this year. So i don't have the same warm-fuzzy feeling that i did at the time we landed the greatest recruiting class of all time. Then again, a lot of things in football do just come down to the QB... and we've still got a good one. I'm not pronouncing doom and gloom i just wanted to point the losses were more significant than our radio hosts will admit

If you're going to keep track in this way, don't you also have to track who we add in the portal? And also who other teams lose and add through the portal?

ahpetty33 said:

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I was not going to stress over the calculations that recruiting websites use to evaluate a class, but a texter texted the show today saying A&M would still be #3 after the portal guys we have lost, and the hosts just ran with it. This is not true at all, at least by 247 metrics the 6 guys we have lost account for almost 70 out of the 333 point class. For what it's worth, even after taking other team's 2022 attrition into account, that would drop us down to 9th. Two of these guys would have been starting next year, and several others would be solid rotation pieces playing significant snaps.

That leaves us with a good class and one A&M can be happy with, but far from the all-time class we were celebrating. I don't understand just shrugging off the losses and pretending it is still an elite class.

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247 shows we would still be #1 with the guys that transfered. Our points would be 323.63 if you remove them. That's still more than a point better than Bama.

ahpetty33 said:

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I was not going to stress over the calculations that recruiting websites use to evaluate a class, but a texter texted the show today saying A&M would still be #3 after the portal guys we have lost, and the hosts just ran with it. This is not true at all, at least by 247 metrics the 6 guys we have lost account for almost 70 out of the 333 point class. For what it's worth, even after taking other team's 2022 attrition into account, that would drop us down to 9th. Two of these guys would have been starting next year, and several others would be solid rotation pieces playing significant snaps.

That leaves us with a good class and one A&M can be happy with, but far from the all-time class we were celebrating. I don't understand just shrugging off the losses and pretending it is still an elite class.

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This is wrong because you don't understand the calculation. You can't simply subtract the value they add to the class. 247 weights the recruits with higher weighting going to higher recruits in the class. Thus if you eliminate one recruit every player after them will get a boost in the value they bring.

dannyv said:

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If you're going to keep track in this way, don't you also have to track who we add in the portal? And also who other teams lose and add through the portal?

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THIS! This is also why the composite team rankings (which unfortunately probably won't be updated until August) are a better indicator of immediate team success. We will still be a top 10 team by that metric and most of the talent will be sophomores and juniors next year as opposed to freshmen.

The only true measure on whether a class was "elite" or not is to look back after 5 years and see what they did. How did they grow and develop. What was their productivity. What was the result.

I think we can say that Jimbo's first couple of classes - though highly ranked on signing day - have been pretty disappointing. There were some obvious exceptions, but not enough of them excelled at A&M.

AggieDub04 said:

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ahpetty33 said:

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I was not going to stress over the calculations that recruiting websites use to evaluate a class, but a texter texted the show today saying A&M would still be #3 after the portal guys we have lost, and the hosts just ran with it. This is not true at all, at least by 247 metrics the 6 guys we have lost account for almost 70 out of the 333 point class. For what it's worth, even after taking other team's 2022 attrition into account, that would drop us down to 9th. Two of these guys would have been starting next year, and several others would be solid rotation pieces playing significant snaps.

That leaves us with a good class and one A&M can be happy with, but far from the all-time class we were celebrating. I don't understand just shrugging off the losses and pretending it is still an elite class.

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This is wrong because you don't understand the calculation. You can't simply subtract the value they add to the class. 247 weights the recruits with higher weighting going to higher recruits in the class. Thus if you eliminate one recruit every player after them will get a boost in the value they bring.

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Exactly correct.

I never understood the weighting process. The same player could add a certain number of points to our score but significantly more points to the score of a Rice or a Vanderbilt if he were to commit there.

I guess it works out for comparing classes that are close to one another in the rankings, but it seems like you should just add the points and rank the classes based on that total.

You could still have discussions centering on the fact that only 11 of your players are allowed on the field at a time (wish we could get that understood!), and now with the portal you can discuss how many from an elite class will transfer after the first year, but if you are simply comparing class-to-class, it seems like you should just add 'em up and compare totals.

Thanks for pointing out. I've screwed the pooch and board moderators should burn this thread down. I would delete it myself in shame if i could...

ahpetty33 said:

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I was not going to stress over the calculations that recruiting websites use to evaluate a class, but a texter texted the show today saying A&M would still be #3 after the portal guys we have lost, and the hosts just ran with it. This is not true at all, at least by 247 metrics the 6 guys we have lost account for almost 70 out of the 333 point class. For what it's worth, even after taking other team's 2022 attrition into account, that would drop us down to 9th. Two of these guys would have been starting next year, and several others would be solid rotation pieces playing significant snaps.

That leaves us with a good class and one A&M can be happy with, but far from the all-time class we were celebrating. I don't understand just shrugging off the losses and pretending it is still an elite class.

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When you take into account what other teams have lost also we are still at #3.

So…either we are developing a very young group or we aren't. Which is it?

We would have over 323 points removing the 6 players we've lost. That's still #1


Someone can check the math if they'd like

https://247sports.com/college/texas-am/Season/2022-Football/ClassCalculator/

I'm not Jimbo however if I was the man in charge from meeting number 1 I would remove all the stars and throw them I'm the trash to give every player equal chance to succeed. The stars Those are opinions made by for profit organizations. Yes, it may have helped you get noticed. Yes you earned it. Number of stars don't make tackles or block anyone. Let's go

Jimbo decided to listen to Texags and is only going after 3 stars that "get" A&M.

What the poster above said --you can't evaluate a class until it's in the rearview 4 or 5 years. There was a thread a few years ago that provided a chronology for all recruits going back like 5 years prior. It was pretty revealing as the percentage of recruits that actually make it to the top of the roster and play multiple years was very small. Injury, leaving early for draft, washing out, legal issues etc take their toll.

vander54 said:

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We would have over 323 points removing the 6 players we've lost. That's still #1


Someone can check the math if they'd like

https://247sports.com/college/texas-am/Season/2022-Football/ClassCalculator/

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Even better.

For Alabama:
Aaron Anderson was the #4 recruit for Bama. He is in the Portal.

For OU:
Kevonte Henry (#16), Alton Tarber (#21), Cedric Roberts (#20), Nick Evers (#8),

Let's revisit once all is said and done.

We likely keep some players in the Portal and other teams will likely lose more players.

Yellerjacket said:

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ahpetty33 said:

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I was not going to stress over the calculations that recruiting websites use to evaluate a class, but a texter texted the show today saying A&M would still be #3 after the portal guys we have lost, and the hosts just ran with it. This is not true at all, at least by 247 metrics the 6 guys we have lost account for almost 70 out of the 333 point class. For what it's worth, even after taking other team's 2022 attrition into account, that would drop us down to 9th. Two of these guys would have been starting next year, and several others would be solid rotation pieces playing significant snaps.

That leaves us with a good class and one A&M can be happy with, but far from the all-time class we were celebrating. I don't understand just shrugging off the losses and pretending it is still an elite class.

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So #9 doesn't qualify as an elite class?

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Actually, there were many pumpers on this board that inadvertently argued it isn't.

One of the biggest defenses made when presented with the fact that Jimbo had 4 consecutive recruiting classes ranked in the Top 8 in year 5, and was still considered "young" was "well, there's a huge dropoff between the top 3 recruiting classes and all the others, so top 10 isn't good enough nowadays"

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Jimbo decided to listen to Texags and is only going after 3 stars that "get" A&M.

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He needs to weed out those primadenises…here we come Junction!!!

Wish Chris Marshall could come back but not sure if that's a possibility anymore.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Jimbo decided to listen to Texags and is only going after 3 stars that "get" A&M.

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