Due to poor offensive line play this year. I decided to take a look at this OL Coaching history.

These are Sacks, Tackles for Loss Allowed & TFL Yards Allowed

2011 Temple - 21 sacks allowed - 65 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 246 TFL Yards Allowed
2012 Temple - 20 sacks allowed - 65 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 266 TFL Yards Allowed
2013 Temple - 32 sacks allowed - 76 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 331 TFL Yards Allowed
2014 Temple - 21 sacks allowed - 69 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 294 TFL Yards Allowed
2015 Temple - 18 sacks allowed - 96 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 299 TFL Yards Allowed
2016 Temple - 29 sacks allowed - 94 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 409 TFL Yards Allowed
2017 Temple - 20 sacks allowed - 73 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 286 TFL Yards Allowed
2018 Temple - 18 sacks allowed - 76 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 271 TFL Yards Allowed
2019 Temple - 21 sacks allowed - 65 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 235 TFL Yards Allowed
2020 Colorado State - 12 sacks allowed - 36 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 113 TFL Yards Allowed
2021 Colorado State - 28 sacks allowed - 69 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 225 TFL Yards Allowed
2022 Texas A&M - 25 sacks allowed - 66 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 243 TFL Yards Allowed

All Stats Found Here

Why is this guy on staff?

Yikes

Wow

Is that good ?

He's on staff because he's Jimbos buddy.

Can you do a comparison to a "normal" program like Florida or Tech... What is the NCAA average in those categories??? If he is below average he should be gone simple as that!!!

I'm not a fan of the guy and think he should go, but in all fairness those are just the stats from when he was an HC. Can we see the stats from when he was coaching OL?

newbie11 said:

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He's on staff because he's Jimbos buddy.

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Or because Jimbo had troubles with his front while he was at Boston College.


But don't let that stop your gibberish

Texas A&M tackles for loss allowed:

2011 - 65 for 192 yards
2012 - 73 for 257 yards
2013 - 57 for 248 yards
2014 - 68 for 281 yards
2015 - 76 for 325 yards
2016 - 70 for 303 yards
2017 - 82 for 312 yards
2018 - 89 for 372 yards
2019 - 67 for 291 yards
2020 - 38 for 105 yards
2021 - 69 for 260 yards
2022 - 66 for 243 yards

Interestingly, it's the lowest since Jimbo's been here, other than the 2020 season.

lil_frog8 said:

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Can you do a comparison to a "normal" program like Florida or Tech... What is the NCAA average in those categories??? If he is below average he should be gone simple as that!!!

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We are right in the middle.

Better than teams with historically good OL like Wisconsin and Iowa. Also better than some good teams, this season, like LSU and Kentucky.

Like any stat, style of play and surrounding personnel plays a big role in the numbers. If you objectively look at things (not many here can) we played about as you would expect when dealing with the injuries and youth.

Unfortunately for us, jimbo's Quarterbacks have historically gotten the crap beat out of him, due to the offense. Even at FSU.

All of this is way too simplistic, sophomoric. There's 1000's of variables at play here, this takes into account pretty much none of that. Who were the lineman? What year? Were some of them 3rd team playing because of injury only? On and on and on...

But yeah, go fire a guy based on nonsense. No coach can make average, to below average players, excellent players.

SinKiller said:

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All of this is way too simplistic, sophomoric. There's 1000's of variables at play here, this takes into account pretty much none of that. Who were the lineman? What year? Were some of them 3rd team playing because of injury only? On and on and on...

But yeah, go fire a guy based on nonsense. No coach can make average, to below average players, excellent players.

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In all fairness, sophomoric is a generous term to use for anything related to Aggie football at the moment.

lil_frog8 said:

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Can you do a comparison to a "normal" program like Florida or Tech... What is the NCAA average in those categories??? If he is below average he should be gone simple as that!!!

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Sure thing lets go with our averages.

2011 Texas A&M - Jim Turner 9 sacks allowed - 65 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 192 TFL Yards Allowed
2012 Texas A&M - B.J. Anderson 23 sacks allowed - 73 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 257 TFL Yards Allowed
2013 Texas A&M - B.J. Anderson 20 sacks allowed - 57 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 248 TFL Yards Allowed
2014 Texas A&M - B.J. Anderson 26 sacks allowed - 68 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 281 TFL Yards Allowed
2015 Texas A&M - Dave Christensen 37 sacks allowed - 76 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 347 TFL Yards Allowed
2016 Texas A&M - Jim Turner 21 sacks allowed - 94 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 409 TFL Yards Allowed
2017 Texas A&M - Jim Turner 29 sacks allowed - 82 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 312 TFL Yards Allowed
2018 Texas A&M - Jim Turner 37 sacks allowed - 89 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 349 TFL Yards Allowed
2019 Texas A&M - Josh Henson 34 sacks allowed - 67 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 291 TFL Yards Allowed
2020 Texas A&M - Josh Henson 7 sacks allowed - 38 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 105 TFL Yards Allowed
2021 Texas A&M - Josh Henson 12 sacks allowed - 69 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 260 TFL Yards Allowed
2022 Texas A&M - Steve Addazio 25 sacks allowed - 66 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 243 TFL Yards Allowed

Again this is Texas A&M Stats against his Stats for Temple & Colorado State.

eATMup-Reveille said:

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Texas A&M tackles for loss allowed:

2011 - 65 for 192 yards
2012 - 73 for 257 yards
2013 - 57 for 248 yards
2014 - 68 for 281 yards
2015 - 76 for 325 yards
2016 - 70 for 303 yards
2017 - 82 for 312 yards
2018 - 89 for 372 yards
2019 - 67 for 291 yards
2020 - 38 for 105 yards
2021 - 69 for 260 yards
2022 - 66 for 243 yards

Interestingly, it's the lowest since Jimbo's been here, other than the 2020 season.

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Less impressive when you factor in that we rank toward the bottom of college football in offensive plays per game.

light em up said:

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Unfortunately for us, jimbo's Quarterbacks have historically gotten the crap beat out of him, due to the offense. Even at FSU.

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Didn't Mond play like every game for 3 seasons? I guess I don't remember FSU losing a bunch of QB's to injury either.

Also, why are you using Temple in 2013-2019?

My concern has always been the poor pass protection. Tackles for loss in the run game will happen. We were consistently beat by 4-man rushes or simple stunts and blitzes in pass pro.

TheDraw said:

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lil_frog8 said:

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Can you do a comparison to a "normal" program like Florida or Tech... What is the NCAA average in those categories??? If he is below average he should be gone simple as that!!!

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Sure thing lets go with our averages.

2011 Texas A&M - Jim Turner 9 sacks allowed - 65 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 192 TFL Yards Allowed
2012 Texas A&M - B.J. Anderson 23 sacks allowed - 73 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 257 TFL Yards Allowed
2013 Texas A&M - B.J. Anderson 20 sacks allowed - 57 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 248 TFL Yards Allowed
2014 Texas A&M - B.J. Anderson 26 sacks allowed - 68 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 281 TFL Yards Allowed
2015 Texas A&M - Dave Christensen 37 sacks allowed - 76 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 347 TFL Yards Allowed
2016 Texas A&M - Jim Turner 21 sacks allowed - 94 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 409 TFL Yards Allowed
2017 Texas A&M - Jim Turner 29 sacks allowed - 82 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 312 TFL Yards Allowed
2018 Texas A&M - Jim Turner 37 sacks allowed - 89 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 349 TFL Yards Allowed
2019 Texas A&M - Josh Henson 34 sacks allowed - 67 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 291 TFL Yards Allowed
2020 Texas A&M - Josh Henson 7 sacks allowed - 38 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 105 TFL Yards Allowed
2021 Texas A&M - Josh Henson 12 sacks allowed - 69 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 260 TFL Yards Allowed
2022 Texas A&M - Steve Addazio 25 sacks allowed - 66 Tackles for Loss Allowed - 243 TFL Yards Allowed

Again this is Texas A&M Stats against his Stats for Temple & Colorado State.

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Pretty Sure the Season Low of the '20 Team that O-line had like 4 returning seniors that had played on/off (injuries to others included) since they were Freshmen.
And if you Recall we were ALL dissatisfied with the '19 O-line performance. Henson's 1st Year.

This is the Youngest O-Line I can recall since maybe Emory Bellard's days.

#3 Tcu 23 sacks- 127 yards lost

He should get one more year to see how they look. Everyone thought Henson was garbage his first year and thought Turner had lost his touch when we hired him back for his first year with us. They each proved us wrong in their second seasons.

TX_Aggie37 said:

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My concern has always been the poor pass protection. Tackles for loss in the run game will happen. We were consistently beat by 4-man rushes or simple stunts and blitzes in pass pro.

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And without knowing the protection scheme, it's impossible to identify who is to blame. It could have been a failure on OL, QB, or RB.

ftworthag02 said:

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#53 Tcu 22 sacks- 170 yards lost

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FIFY

cevans_40 said:

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TX_Aggie37 said:

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My concern has always been the poor pass protection. Tackles for loss in the run game will happen. We were consistently beat by 4-man rushes or simple stunts and blitzes in pass pro.

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And without knowing the protection scheme, it's impossible to identify who is to blame. It could have been a failure on OL, QB, or RB.

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That's exactly right. Addazio will likely get another year, and with what should be pretty much the entire OL room returning maybe they will improve as a unit.

Somebody above mentioned that the 2019 line was really bad, but came back in 2020 to be one of the best lines in the country. There is a lot of value in continuity.

TX_Aggie37 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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TX_Aggie37 said:

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My concern has always been the poor pass protection. Tackles for loss in the run game will happen. We were consistently beat by 4-man rushes or simple stunts and blitzes in pass pro.

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And without knowing the protection scheme, it's impossible to identify who is to blame. It could have been a failure on OL, QB, or RB.

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That's exactly right. Addazio will likely get another year, and with what should be pretty much the entire OL room returning maybe they will improve as a unit.

Somebody above mentioned that the 2019 line was really bad, but came back in 2020 to be one of the best lines in the country. There is a lot of value in continuity.

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At OL more than anywhere else, I would argue.

I think one of the biggest issues this year was how we failed to adjust our play calling to roll out the QB during games where it was obvious the drop back passing was NOT getting the job done. Hopefully that will change in the future.

Ugly said:

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SinKiller said:

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All of this is way too simplistic, sophomoric. There's 1000's of variables at play here, this takes into account pretty much none of that. Who were the lineman? What year? Were some of them 3rd team playing because of injury only? On and on and on...

But yeah, go fire a guy based on nonsense. No coach can make average, to below average players, excellent players.

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In all fairness, sophomoric is a generous term to use for anything related to Aggie football at the moment.

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So...freshmanic?

cevans_40 said:

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lil_frog8 said:

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Can you do a comparison to a "normal" program like Florida or Tech... What is the NCAA average in those categories??? If he is below average he should be gone simple as that!!!

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We are right in the middle.

Better than teams with historically good OL like Wisconsin and Iowa. Also better than some good teams, this season, like LSU and Kentucky.

Like any stat, style of play and surrounding personnel plays a big role in the numbers. If you objectively look at things (not many here can) we played about as you would expect when dealing with the injuries and youth.

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Except, objectively, we were 5th from last in total plays run, so being in the middle in total allowed means we operated well in the bottom half of efficiency.
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eATMup-Reveille said:

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Texas A&M tackles for loss allowed:

2011 - 65 for 192 yards
2012 - 73 for 257 yards
2013 - 57 for 248 yards
2014 - 68 for 281 yards
2015 - 76 for 325 yards
2016 - 70 for 303 yards
2017 - 82 for 312 yards
2018 - 89 for 372 yards
2019 - 67 for 291 yards
2020 - 38 for 105 yards
2021 - 69 for 260 yards
2022 - 66 for 243 yards

Interestingly, it's the lowest since Jimbo's been here, other than the 2020 season.

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Again. Look at the number of plays and efficiency. 2020 is low due to only playing 10 games. Of course, this year is also missing a bowl game

We lost another 50 yards total and had one more tfl in 2019, but we ran another 125 plays.

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cevans_40 said:

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lil_frog8 said:

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Can you do a comparison to a "normal" program like Florida or Tech... What is the NCAA average in those categories??? If he is below average he should be gone simple as that!!!

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We are right in the middle.

Better than teams with historically good OL like Wisconsin and Iowa. Also better than some good teams, this season, like LSU and Kentucky.

Like any stat, style of play and surrounding personnel plays a big role in the numbers. If you objectively look at things (not many here can) we played about as you would expect when dealing with the injuries and youth.

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Except, objectively, we were 5th from last in total plays run, so being in the middle in total allowed means we operated well in the bottom half of efficiency.
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More fake news (not surprised)

We were 116th out of 131 in offensive plays per game. Towards the bottom but not 5th from the bottom, and we were 63 in yards per play, so top half of efficiency.

how many TFL or sacks did LSU have against A&M on Saturday?

I thought him and Durkin were fired after season ended.

I just came across this stat:

2020: OL great
2021: OL bad then jelled into pretty good, getting progressively better

2022: Horrible every game except 1

Divining Rod said:

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I just came across this stat:

2020: OL great
2021: OL bad then jelled into pretty good, getting progressively better

2022: Horrible every game except 1

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Nice stat. Seems about right for this place

cevans_40 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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lil_frog8 said:

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Can you do a comparison to a "normal" program like Florida or Tech... What is the NCAA average in those categories??? If he is below average he should be gone simple as that!!!

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We are right in the middle.

Better than teams with historically good OL like Wisconsin and Iowa. Also better than some good teams, this season, like LSU and Kentucky.

Like any stat, style of play and surrounding personnel plays a big role in the numbers. If you objectively look at things (not many here can) we played about as you would expect when dealing with the injuries and youth.

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Except, objectively, we were 5th from last in total plays run, so being in the middle in total allowed means we operated well in the bottom half of efficiency.
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More fake news (not surprised)

We were 116th out of 131 in offensive plays per game. Towards the bottom but not 5th from the bottom, and we were 63 in yards per play, so top half of efficiency.

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Sorry for expecting the NCAA statistics page to sort by all instead of page. You're right, 15th from the bottom of 131 is A LOT better than 5th. They're completely different.

I'll spell it out for you... When it comes to negative plays, we were inefficient. We were 82 in plays per TFL allowed and 78 in plays per sack allowed. That's just shy of the bottom third in both and well in the bottom half.

And in the offensive efficiency category that matters most, points, we were a whopping 92 in points per play and 110 in points per yard. So all the work the offense did on the field didn't translate to the scoreboard. Yds/play doesn't win games because drives must end in points if you want to win. You can have a high Yds/play, but if you are killing drives with penalties and/or negative plays, you can still suck because your drives die before you score.

We had average yards per play, well below average negative plays per play, and way below average points per play. When it comes to doing the only thing that matters, which is scoring, no, we were not efficient, and yes, our inefficiency in avoiding negative plays hurt.