Goose83 said:

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We aren't paying $100 Million to be two years away.

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We?

PanzerAggie06 said:

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That may be true.

However, for the vast majority of Aggies, especially those following Aggie football for a few decades, this rationale for yet another poor showing is just another excuse being added to a sea of excuses that we have had thrown at us over the years. The "just be patient" mindset is dead. Almost no one is listening to such comments.

Sadly, should Jimbo go away (not that I think its happening anytime soon) his replacement is going to face a very harsh reality very quickly. Excuses will not be tolerated. The only thing we'll want to see are Ws.

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I agree with you. It seems like Aggies don't have the patience they used to. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. A&M has done everything they can to raise the program up. The coaches haven't done their part. It's obvious fans and BMA's aren't in the patient mood these days.

So has our motto changed from "Next year is our year!" to "Year after next is our year!"

If you believe this was all some lengthy plan by Jimbo to build longevity into the program and that the only reason this year is a bist is because we have young players jimbo recruited for longevity.

Why did it take him 5 years to get a decent quarterback?

Why is the team so young this year? He had 5 year to build depth and multiple top 10 recruiting classes before the 21 class.

Nothing you posted makes any sense.

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NoahAg said:

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I agree with the OP. This was a down year for many reasons, but trust the process.
We're in an impatient, entitlement culture where everyone wants everything right away.

Look at Michigan and Harbaugh. They were ready to toss him very recently. The worst thing for our program would be a revolving door of coaches every 4-5 years.

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The issue is what process are we trusting? Generally in a process you see growth. Yea, sometimes you take a step back and we've had a lot of bad luck with injuries but this. Really?

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Any process that involves losing to a G5 team at home (or at all for that matter) isn't one that should be "trusted" let alone even followed blindly.

This whole post is complete nonsense. First of all, if using the transfer portal to our advantage is the way to win, why is that not what we do as a program? That is ridiculous. If Jimbo isn't willing to use the portal the way other coaches are, he needs to go right now. Second, this class isn't staying intact. They are leaving, and we are in fact a lot more than two years away because next year we will have an even worse roster, and since we don't use the portal, there is no immediate help on the way. This season has likely set us back 5+ years.

You mean "Next next year"? It is always next year of the Ags. When is it going to be this year?

PanzerAggie06 said:

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I'm no fan of Jimbo......but not an A+ recruiter? His class rankings tell a different story.

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it's been a mixed bag.

the only positions he has recruited A+ is RB and DB --- based upon on-the-field performance

QB and WR have been disappointing --- where is the Christian Kirk-equivalent?

same on the d-line. 75% of the great 2020 & 2021 d-lines were Sumlin's recruits.

and then OL and LB have been bad (other than Kenyon). The best LB of the Jimbo era was likewise a Sumlin player / recruit

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The worst thing for our program would be a revolving door of coaches every 4-5 years.

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I agree to some extent about the revolving door.

But is it really too much to expect in Year 5 of a program that we at least don't **** the bed?

Lack of depth, poor OL play, defensive schemes, poor execution, etc, etc, etc. That's all on the coach who has had 5 years to supposedly build a program. His schemes, his coaches, his players.

Not my money to spend, so if somebody ponies up to buy him out I'm not going to be bothered. Who knows yet how this year might set us back. I'm as worried about that and what another crappy year might do to the program.

WITAF HAPPENED TO VISION 2020? Did it not apply to the foozeball?

PascalsWager said:

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The most unfair thing we've done this year is thrust the 2021 recruiting class into unreachable expectations.

That consequences of failed expectations is, bizarrely, higher expectations next season. Again unfair for redshirt freshmen.

Great growth and some returning to the mean with luck gets you to 8-5. Many things go right and we get to 9-4 next year. Expecting anything more than that is unreasonable. Consider this year 0 and the 2023-24 season year 1.

Programs and coaches can win in year 1 now. But they're ONLY doing so by abusing the transfer portal. There is weird idea thrown around Texags that we failed in the portal. Or that we need to get better at the portal. Its our FUNDAMENTAL team building philosophy to not use the portal unless is serves our high school recruiting (like Max).

So manage expectations for next year. Because if we hold on to most of the class and continue to trust in Jimbo we are making the 12 team playoff in the 2024-25 season. And we should routinely make the 12 team playoff every 3 or 4 years from here on out.

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as it stands today things look to trending in an negative direction moving forward. Currently on pace to have the first recruiting class in modern recruiting history (late 1990's) to not sign and offensive skill player. At this point any objective person with the slightest football intellect realizes Jimbo isn't the answer and there isn't anything realistic that's going to change during the life of his contract. Prepare for a down turn until the decision makers have reached a year in his contract where they're ok with the buyout. We simply were fooled and over played our hand in signing Jimbo to begin with. We can't go back and change the bad decision. Hope for the best with the next coaching search and see where the chips land.

NM. Double post.

the answer is NO. Most have unreasonable expectations, even though the program's trajectory, leadership and culture have proven to be unsuitable for building a championship caliber football team.

Very few, perhaps a handful, college football programs don't have a revolving door in regards to coaches. Its a rare thing when a coach stays put at a program for an extended period. Even the really good ones often leave for greener pastures. Coaches are, for the most part, given 4 to 5 years to produce results and if they are failing they are shown the door. This is not a recent phenomenon.

PascalsWage said:

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So manage expectations for next year. Because if we hold on to most of the class and continue to trust in Jimbo we are making the 12 team playoff in the 2024-25 season. And we should routinely make the 12 team playoff every 3 or 4 years from here on out.

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I've been hearing that ever since I was a freshman.

Artorias said:

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So has our motto changed from "Next year is our year!" to "Year after next is our year!"

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To be fair, Jimbo was given a trophy that said "20-- National Champions".... so, still 77 years left.

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PascalsWage said:

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So manage expectations for next year. Because if we hold on to most of the class and continue to trust in Jimbo we are making the 12 team playoff in the 2024-25 season. And we should routinely make the 12 team playoff every 3 or 4 years from here on out.

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I've been hearing that ever since I was a freshman.

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Aggies have been hearing it since WWII unfortunately.

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Hawk2007 said:

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PascalsWage said:

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So manage expectations for next year. Because if we hold on to most of the class and continue to trust in Jimbo we are making the 12 team playoff in the 2024-25 season. And we should routinely make the 12 team playoff every 3 or 4 years from here on out.

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I've been hearing that ever since I was a freshman.

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Aggies have been hearing it since WWII unfortunately.

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I don't go back that far, but conversing with Ags whom graduated in the '60's here at the Zoo... this is the song that doesn't end...

It seems to me that I hear this year after year. Give it a rest man we need to make a change.

Aggie Football. 2 years away from being 2 years away since 1940.

I don't understand.

A good program should at worst be in the discussion for a NY6 and a few lucky bounces from being in the CFP discussion

If it is the first Saturday in November and bowl eligibility is in doubt , you are not a good program and your head coach has failed
So the 2 years timeframe makes no sense, you either are a good program or you need time to become a good program

NoahAg said:

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I agree with the OP. This was a down year for many reasons, but trust the process.
We're in an impatient, entitlement culture where everyone wants everything right away.

Look at Michigan and Harbaugh. They were ready to toss him very recently. The worst thing for our program would be a revolving door of coaches every 4-5 years.

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Man, this is year 5 and our OL full of 5 stars and high 4 stars got demolished by a mid major App State defense that gave up 60 the week before. I get down years and patience but if you're fielding a historically bad offensive line and going 4-8 in year 5 despite oodles of talent then something is horribly wrong with your coaching, the end.

PascalsWager said:

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The most unfair thing we've done this year is thrust the 2021 recruiting class into unreachable expectations.

That consequences of failed expectations is, bizarrely, higher expectations next season. Again unfair for redshirt freshmen.

Great growth and some returning to the mean with luck gets you to 8-5. Many things go right and we get to 9-4 next year. Expecting anything more than that is unreasonable. Consider this year 0 and the 2023-24 season year 1.

Programs and coaches can win in year 1 now. But they're ONLY doing so by abusing the transfer portal. There is weird idea thrown around Texags that we failed in the portal. Or that we need to get better at the portal. Its our FUNDAMENTAL team building philosophy to not use the portal unless is serves our high school recruiting (like Max).

So manage expectations for next year. Because if we hold on to most of the class and continue to trust in Jimbo we are making the 12 team playoff in the 2024-25 season. And we should routinely make the 12 team playoff every 3 or 4 years from here on out.

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Possibly the best "user name checks out" in the history of texags

I think we are two years away from being two years away from a solid 8-4 season.

I think we are 2 years away from a 10+ win season. We have 3 very tough road games at Teneseee, Ole Miss, and LSU in addition to Alabama. Not to mention, we have a road game at Miami in Week 2 and a game against Arkansa at Jerry World in Week 5. Even if we win every home game except Alabama, we will probalby lose all 3 road SEC Games. That's why I believe our ceiling for next year is 8-4.

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This is year 5

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5+2=Pathetic

They said that in 1940.

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Rec said:

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This is year 5

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We are playing by 2017 rules. So in reality this is year ZERO.

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But... It's not year zero... He has the 4th most talented roster. If we are starting players this young and youth is an issue that means there's a serious problem with player development, and there absolutely has been for years now.

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4th most talent roster as evaluated by 2017 standards.

Everyone has development and injury issues.. But they make up for it by just grabbing the Group of 5 and FCS's best player. Which is a grey area legally and ethically. Other teams and coaches are just playing free agent roulette with college football. Those guys can win in their actual first year of coaching their new team.

We are not even equipped to have these conversations here. We on Texags are talking about silly trivialities like comparing coaching up high school 3 stars vs "diva" 5 stars. That conversations is out the window. There are 23 year old 2nd team all MAC guys, 22 year old 2 year starters from Fresno State that will be starting for SEC schools and Miami next year. And they are going to play (unfairly) against the 19 year old children on our team. How is that fair? To college football or to Jimbo?

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Jimbo has had five years to figure it out. Quit being one of those tiresome posters making excuses for a coach who is failing because he can't figure it out.

NoahAg said:

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I agree with the OP. This was a down year for many reasons, but trust the process.
We're in an impatient, entitlement culture where everyone wants everything right away.

Look at Michigan and Harbaugh. They were ready to toss him very recently. The worst thing for our program would be a revolving door of coaches every 4-5 years.

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Which is why we're in better shape than revolving doors Tennessee, tu, USC, Miss, FSU, et. al. right now. Oh wait...

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Hawk2007 said:

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So manage expectations for next year. Because if we hold on to most of the class and continue to trust in Jimbo we are making the 12 team playoff in the 2024-25 season. And we should routinely make the 12 team playoff every 3 or 4 years from here on out.

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I've been hearing that ever since I was a freshman.

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Aggies have been hearing it since WWII unfortunately.

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I don't go back that far, but conversing with Ags whom graduated in the '60's here at the Zoo... this is the song that doesn't end...

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Here's a useful tip. Use whom where you would use him/her/them, and who where you would use he/she/they. One wouldn't say "them graduated in the 60s," one would say "they graduated in the 60s."

PascalsWager said:

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The most unfair thing we've done this year is thrust the 2021 recruiting class into unreachable expectations.

That consequences of failed expectations is, bizarrely, higher expectations next season. Again unfair for redshirt freshmen.

Great growth and some returning to the mean with luck gets you to 8-5. Many things go right and we get to 9-4 next year. Expecting anything more than that is unreasonable. Consider this year 0 and the 2023-24 season year 1.

Programs and coaches can win in year 1 now. But they're ONLY doing so by abusing the transfer portal. There is weird idea thrown around Texags that we failed in the portal. Or that we need to get better at the portal. Its our FUNDAMENTAL team building philosophy to not use the portal unless is serves our high school recruiting (like Max).

So manage expectations for next year. Because if we hold on to most of the class and continue to trust in Jimbo we are making the 12 team playoff in the 2024-25 season. And we should routinely make the 12 team playoff every 3 or 4 years from here on out.

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So losing to App State then losing 6 games in a row and having the worst O-Line and run defense in basically all of FBS has caused you to draw the conclusion that we are 2 years away from the playoffs?

So this same 4-7 HC , Jimbo Fisher, is going to get better than Saban at Alabama and Brian Kelly at LSU over the next 2 years?

Jimbo is going to out recruit them and out coach them and in 2 years we are just suddenly going be better than both LSU and Alabama and win our conference and then go to the playoffs. And then even better yet you said we're gonna go to the playoffs routinely every 3 to 4 years thereafter.

Interesting that it took a 4-7 season by TAMU and a 9-2 season by both LSU and Alabama for you to figure out that in two years we're just gonna take over the SEC and be better than those weak little programs in our conference and go to the playoffs. I'm sure Kelly and Saban are just going to lay down over the next two years and they're not going to make any moves to get their teams better. Our freshman are just going to get older and Jimbos going to get smarter and more organized and more professional and we're just taking over! Step aside Saban & Kelly, here we come!

Thanks for this insight!

george07 said:

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This whole post is complete nonsense. First of all, if using the transfer portal to our advantage is the way to win, why is that not what we do as a program? That is ridiculous. If Jimbo isn't willing to use the portal the way other coaches are, he needs to go right now.

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Because it's against our FUNDAMENTAL team building philosophy, apparently.

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PascalsWager said:

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The most unfair thing we've done this year is thrust the 2021 recruiting class into unreachable expectations.

That consequences of failed expectations is, bizarrely, higher expectations next season. Again unfair for redshirt freshmen.

Great growth and some returning to the mean with luck gets you to 8-5. Many things go right and we get to 9-4 next year. Expecting anything more than that is unreasonable. Consider this year 0 and the 2023-24 season year 1.

Programs and coaches can win in year 1 now. But they're ONLY doing so by abusing the transfer portal. There is weird idea thrown around Texags that we failed in the portal. Or that we need to get better at the portal. Its our FUNDAMENTAL team building philosophy to not use the portal unless is serves our high school recruiting (like Max).

So manage expectations for next year. Because if we hold on to most of the class and continue to trust in Jimbo we are making the 12 team playoff in the 2024-25 season. And we should routinely make the 12 team playoff every 3 or 4 years from here on out.

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You really gonna ask us to manage expectations when LSU hired Brian Kelly and won the west in Year 1 and TCU is 11-0 with Sonny in year 1? And who cares if they're only doing so by abusing the transfer portal, the coaches get paid to win and find ways to win and Jimbo hasn't don't that. He's actually found ways to lose to group of 5 teams at home. expectations don't go down because of this year's failure they only go up in year 6 for good reason. We aren't treating this as year zero because it's not it's year 5. Anything less than winning the west or making a playoff appearance is failing in year 6. This is the typical mentality of our program. LSU would never settle for this.

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THiS

NoahAg said:

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I agree with the OP. This was a down year for many reasons, but trust the process.
We're in an impatient, entitlement culture where everyone wants everything right away.

Look at Michigan and Harbaugh. They were ready to toss him very recently. The worst thing for our program would be a revolving door of coaches every 4-5 years.

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I was born in '55 during the TAMC vs LSU football game and '51 Dad had his transistor radio at the hospital trying to pick it up. We won BTW. Point is, I came into this life as an Aggie all those years ago , and I think I've been patient long enough. Gig'em.