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Sumlin vs Jimbo comparison

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LMCane
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you are frankly delusional if you think this team would make a 12 team playoff.

and once OU and Texas join the SEC it will be even harder to make a playoff.

at MOST the SEC will have 4 teams make it every year (6 conference champs are automatic qualifiers!)

you think A&M is the fourth best team in the SEC after Texas and OU join?!
Aggieair
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Things Sumlin never did:

Lost to Arkansas

Lost to South Carolina

Lost to a Group of 5.

Is having a losing season next?

The only thing Jimbo can hang his hat on is beating LSU. Though he had Mond's Miracle-Self-Sack and a few calls go our way in OT. And then in 2020 and 2021, he played the 2 worst LSU teams we've seen since joining the SEC, and still managed to lose to one of them, with a lame duck HC no less.
Artorias
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Jimbo's record is worse than Sumlin's

No spinning that fact.
91AggieLawyer
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Iraq2xVeteran said:

Kevin Sumlin benefited from not having to play a Power 5 nonconference team in his first 3 years. Yes, we beat Arizona State 38-17 in Houston in 2015 and UCLA 31-24 in overtime at Kyle Field in 2016, but we blew a 44-10 lead with 4:08 left in the 3rd quarter at UCLA in 2017. Jimbo Fisher has lost 3 nonconference games, and 2 of them were to Clemson. That's why they have comparable records. The most inexcusable loss for Jimbo is a 17-14 loss to Appalachian State at Kyle Field on 9/10.

NO ONE is concerned about either loss to Clemson. What they're concerned about are the three losses last year to Arkansas, Miss St. and LSU. While Ark did finish with 9 wins, that was against a VERY soft schedule. Also of concern last year was the near loss to Colorado. Add that to the 2019 loss to Auburn, and the 2018 losses to Auburn and Miss. State. All of those games we easily should have won.

Would Sumlin have won those? Probably not, but THAT'S WHY WE FIRED HIM! The issue is not really whether Sumlin is better than Jimbo; the issue is whether Jimbo was the right choice to replace him. Based on the results, its a resounding NO. Too many people can't see past that stupid national championship. Like I said on another thread, Jimbo gets more credit for what he did at another school than what he's done here.

The point here is that if you have to go back into the archives to research who exactly Sumlin went up against to determine whether, in your mind, comparing Sumlin to Jimbo is a fair comparison, BY DEFINITION, Jimbo is not going to be our guy. The money we paid him, not to mention the hype, demonstrated that he needed to be head and shoulders above Sumlin without any thought of comparability.
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Aggieair said:

Things Sumlin never did:

Lost to Arkansas

Lost to South Carolina

Lost to a Group of 5.

Is having a losing season next?

The only thing Jimbo can hang his hat on is beating LSU. Though he had Mond's Miracle-Self-Sack and a few calls go our way in OT. And then in 2020 and 2021, he played the 2 worst LSU teams we've seen since joining the SEC, and still managed to lose to one of them, with a lame duck HC no less.
The only thing Jimbo can hang his hat on is winning home SEC games at Kyle Field. He is 12-3 in those games, including 7-3 agasint SEC West teams. In contrast, Sumlin went a combined 0-11 in home games against Alabama, Auburn, LSU at Ole Miss. Sumlin was a putrid 8-14 in home SEC games at Kyle Field. Even worse, he went 3-12 in home games against SEC West teams, incluing a 7-game losing streak at the end of his tneure.
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The fact that this comparison is even being discussed says a lot about Jimbo.
Off_The_Wood
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Sumlin: 39-16
Fisher: 37-18

The gap will continue to widen this season
Kellso
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Every young man in Texas dreams of getting to play in Atlanta in the SEC Championship game. The history and pageantry of the Capitol of the Deep South is second to none during Christmas Time.

Once you've experienced Atlanta the night before the game it makes you want to go back every year. The place is a mad house with every fan of the SEC being represented with their most passionate fans. The food and the nightlife is some of the best in the South.

Does this team have any chance of making it to the SEC title game?
My goal for this year was that it was going to be a success with a loss in the SEC title game, and a win in a Major Bowl game, or vice versa.

I'm starting to have serious doubts if that is going to happen. The 1st place drought since the Clinton era has to end soon.

This is why I've been hard on the Jimbo apologist. I needed to see tangible evidence that Jimbo was better than previous regime. Almost no one can give me any sort of straight answer as to why the current coach is sooo much better than what was here 10 years ago.
Aggieair
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Iraq2xVeteran said:

Aggieair said:

Things Sumlin never did:

Lost to Arkansas

Lost to South Carolina

Lost to a Group of 5.

Is having a losing season next?

The only thing Jimbo can hang his hat on is beating LSU. Though he had Mond's Miracle-Self-Sack and a few calls go our way in OT. And then in 2020 and 2021, he played the 2 worst LSU teams we've seen since joining the SEC, and still managed to lose to one of them, with a lame duck HC no less.
The only thing Jimbo can hang his hat on is winning home SEC games at Kyle Field. He is 12-3 in those games, including 7-3 agasint SEC West teams. In contrast, Sumlin went a combined 0-11 in home games against Alabama, Auburn, LSU at Ole Miss. Sumlin was a putrid 8-14 in home SEC games at Kyle Field. Even worse, he went 3-12 in home games against SEC West teams, incluing a 7-game losing streak at the end of his tneure.


You're proving the point of everyone else- when you have to dig that deep and move the goalposts that much to find something to give Franbo a better comparison against Sumlin, then that means things have gotten pretty bad.
runontexas
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If 8-5 is unacceptable, what happens in year 5 of Jimbo?
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Jimbo did not make up any ground on Sumlin tonight
SECTAMU#1
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runontexas said:

If 8-5 is unacceptable, what happens in year 5 of Jimbo?
What if we go 4-8 or 5-7 this year?
W
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W said:

also fun to compare the records vs. the SEC West

Sumlin 1-5 vs. Alabama :: Jimbo 1-4

Sumlin 6-0 vs. Arkansas :: Jimbo 4-1

Sumlin 3-3 vs. Auburn :: Jimbo 2-2

Sumlin 0-6 vs. LSU :: Jimbo 2-3

Sumlin 3-3 vs. Ole Miss :: Jimbo 2-2...updated

Sumlin 3-3 vs. State :: Jimbo 2-3

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Jimbo can really pump up his side of the ledger with wins over Ole Miss and Auburn in the next few weeks
so updating...Jimbo has lost his advantage over Sumlin vs. Ole Miss.

Jimbo only leads vs. LSU, and Sumlin leads vs. Arkansas. Everything else is a push
Coog_aTm
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The thing that is frustrating with Jimbo is that the staff that he puts together is subpar. Sumlin had the disastrous Dave Christensen hire, but he generally had a better staff. Spavital was mediocre for sure, but Craig, Coley and Adazzio are worse than any Sumlin offensive coaching staff. I think Dickey is actually OK, but he is OC in name only and is now basically the TE coach which is what Coley should coach. I'm hoping Fisher cleans house this offseason.
Kellso
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agracer said:

runontexas said:



Now imagine this guy in College Station in the NIL era.
He had zero control over his players in 2017, it would be 10x worse with NIL.
The question that one must ask is that if Jimbo has control of the team?
Its a different world today with all the NIL money floating around.

The going rate is a $One Million/year for a 5 star quarterback in the SEC. If a kid is making north of $1.5 million each season do you really think he's going to listen to his college coach?
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Sumlin's marks after his 5th season were:

overall ---> 44-21

conference ---> 21-19

Jimbo's marks with 3 games left in his 5th season:

overall ---> 37-20

conference ---> 22-17
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Quarterbacks on other teams seem to be listening to their coaches.
runontexas
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Is 8-5 still unacceptable?
PascalsWager
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runontexas said:

Is 8-5 still unacceptable?
The genius of the athletic department is that we've managed expectations to the point to where 8-5 next year is going to be sold as amazing progress.

That was mostly in jest. But I truly think we're two years away from a 10 win season.
Kellso
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Zarathustra said:


Quarterbacks on other teams seem to be listening to their coaches.

Haynes King is very coachable. Its the other players we have to worry about. I'm not sure how much Jimbo's message is getting to the kids.

Kids being tardy, players smoking reefer in the locker room, some kids not buying in. Back in the day you could threaten a kids scholarship, or playing time.

Nowadays you threaten a kid and he might not care if he's making more bread than the assistant coaches.
Kellso
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85AustinAg said:

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I still fail to see how Jimbo is this supposed huge upgrade over Coach Sumlin.

Their results look mighty similar. One great season and a bunch of average ones.
If you can't tell a difference between Jimbo and Sumlin then you need help. Jimbo coaches rings around Sumlin. Sumlin was a flash in the pan. I get it that everybody's frustrated but there is no comparison. My money is on Jimbo figuring this out. The man knows how to coach.

I've changed my mind. I'm starting to think this thread is an insult to Coach Sumlin.

There were some disappointing games under Sumlin like UCLA and Alabama....but nothing like the crap I've seen from this team the past month.
There is no way a team with this much talent should be that inept on offense.

Sumlin's 2012 Aggie football team is the greatest team this school has had the past 30 years.
DM44
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Kellso said:

85AustinAg said:

Quote:

I still fail to see how Jimbo is this supposed huge upgrade over Coach Sumlin.

Their results look mighty similar. One great season and a bunch of average ones.
If you can't tell a difference between Jimbo and Sumlin then you need help. Jimbo coaches rings around Sumlin. Sumlin was a flash in the pan. I get it that everybody's frustrated but there is no comparison. My money is on Jimbo figuring this out. The man knows how to coach.

I've changed my mind. I'm starting to think this thread is an insult to Coach Sumlin.

There were some disappointing games under Sumlin like UCLA and Alabama....but nothing like the crap I've seen from this team the past month.
There is no way a team with this much talent should be that inept on offense.

Sumlin's 2012 Aggie football team is the greatest team this school has had the past 30 years.
Sumlin was using Sherman's players in 2012. What Sumlin did well was allow Manziel to play QB his way.

Kellso
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DM44 said:

Kellso said:

85AustinAg said:

Quote:

I still fail to see how Jimbo is this supposed huge upgrade over Coach Sumlin.

Their results look mighty similar. One great season and a bunch of average ones.
If you can't tell a difference between Jimbo and Sumlin then you need help. Jimbo coaches rings around Sumlin. Sumlin was a flash in the pan. I get it that everybody's frustrated but there is no comparison. My money is on Jimbo figuring this out. The man knows how to coach.

I've changed my mind. I'm starting to think this thread is an insult to Coach Sumlin.

There were some disappointing games under Sumlin like UCLA and Alabama....but nothing like the crap I've seen from this team the past month.
There is no way a team with this much talent should be that inept on offense.

Sumlin's 2012 Aggie football team is the greatest team this school has had the past 30 years.
Sumlin was using Sherman's players in 2012. What Sumlin did well was allow Manziel to play QB his way.


Someone still has to "coach" those players.....right? Whether it be Shemans "recruits" or not?

You make it sound like If I had a whistle I (or anyone) could coach Shermans players to Texas A&M's best season in the last 30 years.

Texas A&M does not have an extensive history of producing elite football teams. The 2012 team was most certainly elite and its the only A&M team of the past 25 years that was capable of being a 1st place team.
runontexas
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Jimbo had Sumlin's Oline.
 
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