I still don't really understand the point of redshirting. I certainly don't understand the point of calling someone who's in their 2nd year of college and completely adjusted to student and football life, a freshman. The terms no longer apply. I go with years at the University when talking about football players. He was a 2nd year player.

So if your argument is to play Connor, it doesn't apply. Next year it absolutely will.

And if you're talking about Kyler then that didn't end particularly well.

Sumlin did not take a chance Sumlin was deciding based on self interest. New coaches are judged in years 3-4 more harshly then they are judged in years 1-2.
Sumlin was willing to lose a couple of games in year 1,2 to win more in year 3

Granted JFF left early so the strategy did not work out but new coaches play underclassmen because year 3 is When new coaches are evaluated

And Jimbo also took another 2nd year player and won the Heisman and national championship with him.

We have NO 2nd year players on this roster with HUGE upside at QB.

I thought this thread was going to be about coaches who couldn't take criticism and stubbornly stuck with things that weren't working.

PascalsWager said:

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I still don't really understand the point of redshirting. I certainly don't understand the point of calling someone who's in their 2nd year of college and completely adjusted to student and football life, a freshman. The terms no longer apply. I go with years at the University when talking about football players. He was a 2nd year player.

So if your argument is to play Connor, it doesn't apply. Next year it absolutely will.

And if you're talking about Kyler then that didn't end particularly well.

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He was year two in college. But year 1 was spent in Mike Sherman's system practicing primarily at other skill positions and not QB. So I don't think practicing at WR, RB, and safety on Sherman's team provided him any sort of year 1 experience playing QB in Sumlin/Kliff's system. He was a year 1 player in reality because of it.

Gyles Marrett said:

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PascalsWager said:

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I still don't really understand the point of redshirting. I certainly don't understand the point of calling someone who's in their 2nd year of college and completely adjusted to student and football life, a freshman. The terms no longer apply. I go with years at the University when talking about football players. He was a 2nd year player.

So if your argument is to play Connor, it doesn't apply. Next year it absolutely will.

And if you're talking about Kyler then that didn't end particularly well.

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He was year two in college. But year 1 was spent in Mike Sherman's system practicing primarily at other skill positions and not QB. So I don't think practicing at WR, RB, and safety on Sherman's team provided him any sort of year 1 experience playing QB in Sumlin/Kliff's system. He was a year 1 player in reality because of it.

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There is more to success than football intricacies. There is physical maturity and life with the team and at the university.

Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

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Does no one remember how sumlin handled the QB situation after johnny?

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Hence why I said the ONE thing I give him credit for. Kyler also probably never considers A&M without the decision to start Johnny. But yes, how he handled that QB situation I'd put near the top of his worst decisions while here....maybe second just behind not simply running the ball and the clock in the second half at UCLA lol.

PascalsWager said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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PascalsWager said:

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I still don't really understand the point of redshirting. I certainly don't understand the point of calling someone who's in their 2nd year of college and completely adjusted to student and football life, a freshman. The terms no longer apply. I go with years at the University when talking about football players. He was a 2nd year player.

So if your argument is to play Connor, it doesn't apply. Next year it absolutely will.

And if you're talking about Kyler then that didn't end particularly well.

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He was year two in college. But year 1 was spent in Mike Sherman's system practicing primarily at other skill positions and not QB. So I don't think practicing at WR, RB, and safety on Sherman's team provided him any sort of year 1 experience playing QB in Sumlin/Kliff's system. He was a year 1 player in reality because of it.

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There is more to success than football intricacies. There is physical maturity and life with the team and at the university.

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Yeah that must be why we went with the most frail looking of our QB options this year.

Gyles Marrett said:

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PascalsWager said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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PascalsWager said:

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I still don't really understand the point of redshirting. I certainly don't understand the point of calling someone who's in their 2nd year of college and completely adjusted to student and football life, a freshman. The terms no longer apply. I go with years at the University when talking about football players. He was a 2nd year player.

So if your argument is to play Connor, it doesn't apply. Next year it absolutely will.

And if you're talking about Kyler then that didn't end particularly well.

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He was year two in college. But year 1 was spent in Mike Sherman's system practicing primarily at other skill positions and not QB. So I don't think practicing at WR, RB, and safety on Sherman's team provided him any sort of year 1 experience playing QB in Sumlin/Kliff's system. He was a year 1 player in reality because of it.

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There is more to success than football intricacies. There is physical maturity and life with the team and at the university.

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Yeah that must be why we went with the most frail looking of our QB options this year.

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I don't think we have a good QB option this year. Run the damn ball.

Gyles Marrett said:

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Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

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Does no one remember how sumlin handled the QB situation after johnny?

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Hence why I said the ONE thing I give him credit for. Kyler also probably never considers A&M without the decision to start Johnny. But yes, how he handled that QB situation I'd put near the top of his worst decisions while here....maybe second just behind not simply running the ball and the clock in the second half at UCLA lol.

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Im sorry, i love you.

Awkward

PascalsWager said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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PascalsWager said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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PascalsWager said:

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I still don't really understand the point of redshirting. I certainly don't understand the point of calling someone who's in their 2nd year of college and completely adjusted to student and football life, a freshman. The terms no longer apply. I go with years at the University when talking about football players. He was a 2nd year player.

So if your argument is to play Connor, it doesn't apply. Next year it absolutely will.

And if you're talking about Kyler then that didn't end particularly well.

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He was year two in college. But year 1 was spent in Mike Sherman's system practicing primarily at other skill positions and not QB. So I don't think practicing at WR, RB, and safety on Sherman's team provided him any sort of year 1 experience playing QB in Sumlin/Kliff's system. He was a year 1 player in reality because of it.

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There is more to success than football intricacies. There is physical maturity and life with the team and at the university.

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Yeah that must be why we went with the most frail looking of our QB options this year.

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I don't think we have a good QB option this year. Run the damn ball.

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"Raffield saw that firsthand in the spring of Weigman's freshman year. Bridgeland returned an all-district quarterback, a sophomore with talent. That sophomore squatted 400 pounds in front of a ruckus weight room in March of Weigman's freshman year. Weigman, Raffield recalls, raced from the back of the weight room and demanded that 405 pounds be placed on the squat rack. Weigman completed the lift. He'd go on to start for Bridgeland as a sophomore while his competitor ended up transferring out of the program."

As a high school freshman....I'm willing to bet Conner is plenty physically mature 4 years later to play QB this year.

PascalsWager said:

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And Jimbo also took another 2nd year player and won the Heisman and national championship with him.

We have NO 2nd year players on this roster with HUGE upside at QB.

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We should. Jimbo has been here long enough. Jimbo has struck out on QB his entire time here. Maybe CW will be different.