Waaay too many folks getting hurt feelings when someone criticizes King. He isn't as sharp as many of you think and he isn't as awful as others think. He has flaws and those of us that can see them saw the same ones last year.
He must improve or our season will be average and the King apologists will turn to blaming Jimbo.

Yes, I want CW to start but I understand that Max is likely our best shot to win the SEC.

Haynes ran 151 times in HS for 1300+ yards (9.2 ypc).

He can run, but he's also not playing against HS defenses. He also had his leg broken last year and has taken less than 100 snaps against D1 competitors.

Let's wait and see what happens, shall we?

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I just don't see the speed that everyone keeps talks about. I get it. On a track he may run fast but that doesn't always carry over to the football field. I saw many QB's on Saturday that looked quick out of the pocket, much more so than King. And they looked more natural - pull down quickly, slide before contact. Is that the issue? He's more straight line fast and it takes 10 yards to get there vs being quick (e.g. JFF)?

I know it's a small sample size but I'm hoping to see more of his 22 MPH clocked speed on Saturday.

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I would think the broken leg he suffered last year robbed him of some of his speed and quickness.

Apparently he was clocked at that speed this offseason after healing

I, for one, don't want some slide-happy scared QB leading my team on Saturdays. King has balls and tries to get every yard he can. I appreciate that.

Some of you should concentrate more on sliding back and forth between your keyboards and your couch. Haha!

Do your thing, HK!

Texagsubscriber said:

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Why does he not slide at the end of the runs? In all his runs, he finished it with a head/shoulder first lunge. I hope somebody (aka Jimbo) reminds him he is not built like Tebow or Jalen Hurts.

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I was cringing when he was running saying "just don't get hurt".

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Jalen Hurts? Who puts Tebow and Hurts in the same physical categories?

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Maybe people who know football and understand that Hurts is a monster in the weight room?

Combine stats: Tebow 6'3 236 30.41 BMI, Hurts 6'1 222 29.99 BMI, that's a pretty similar build

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Well seeing as he runs like a baby giraffe until he gets in space and doesn't know how to slide it may not matter. King may start the season and never finish one unless he learns how to not take hits

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If he's gonna throw multiple interceptions every game hopefully he won't finish the season as the starter anyways. I'm sorry I'm not on the limited amount of data bandwagon.

Whether its real games, spring games or scrimmages he's an interception waiting to happen and as a 40 year CFB fan As much as I wish it was not the case this will most likely show up in the biggest moments of the biggest games!

Weigman will hit the transfer portal. Haynes King and Johnson fighting for the chance to get us to 8-4 rather than the 7-5 I predict. Get ready for the zoo to melt down by end of Miami or Arkie because Jimbo is still not allowing the best QB to play. Hell, play Connor now, his shelf life is 3 years. King is Mond 2.0.

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Weigman will hit the transfer portal.

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Wait, you think Weigman is leaving? I can't tell if you're serious or playing to your name.

LatinAggie1997 said:

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Yes, I want CW to start but I understand that Max is likely our best shot to win the SEC.

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CW is not ready to start. Maybe next year. Mop-up duty would be fine though.

I don't understand (or agree) that Max is our best shot to win the SEC though. King needs to continue playing and developing, since he really only has 2 full college games under his belt at this point. Johnson's ceiling is lower than King's, and I don't think his floor is any higher, either.

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LatinAggie1997 said:

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Yes, I want CW to start but I understand that Max is likely our best shot to win the SEC.

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CW is not ready to start. Maybe next year. Mop-up duty would be fine though

I don't understand (or agree) that Max is our best shot to win the SEC though. King needs to continue playing and developing, since he really only has 2 full college games under his belt at this point. Johnson's ceiling is lower than King's, and I don't think his floor is any higher, either.

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So, regardless of where the so called "ceiling" is, who do you play against Arky if MJ's then current level of performance is higher than Haynes King's level ?

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LatinAggie1997 said:

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Yes, I want CW to start but I understand that Max is likely our best shot to win the SEC.

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CW is not ready to start. Maybe next year. Mop-up duty would be fine though

I don't understand (or agree) that Max is our best shot to win the SEC though. King needs to continue playing and developing, since he really only has 2 full college games under his belt at this point. Johnson's ceiling is lower than King's, and I don't think his floor is any higher, either.

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So, regardless of where the so called "ceiling" is, who do you play against Arky if MJ's then current level of performance is higher than Haynes King's level ?

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Johnson's not going to get enough playing time to demonstrate whether he can play better than King, unless something happens to King. In which case MJ would be the QB moving forward like Calzada was last year.

Jimbo wants an offense like the one we saw against Sam Houston, and you won't get that with Max Johnson. I think Fisher wants to cut down on King's INTs, but wants him to stay aggressive like he's been. Johnson won't have the downfield game that King has.

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LatinAggie1997 said:

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Yes, I want CW to start but I understand that Max is likely our best shot to win the SEC.

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CW is not ready to start. Maybe next year. Mop-up duty would be fine though.

I don't understand (or agree) that Max is our best shot to win the SEC though. King needs to continue playing and developing, since he really only has 2 full college games under his belt at this point. Johnson's ceiling is lower than King's, and I don't think his floor is any higher, either.

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Max is a proven commodity in the SEC. King hasn't looked worthy of starting against FCS teams.
Nobody knows but I would bet Max would have led us to 3 additional TDs with 0 INTs.

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LatinAggie1997 said:

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Yes, I want CW to start but I understand that Max is likely our best shot to win the SEC.

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CW is not ready to start. Maybe next year. Mop-up duty would be fine though.

I don't understand (or agree) that Max is our best shot to win the SEC though. King needs to continue playing and developing, since he really only has 2 full college games under his belt at this point. Johnson's ceiling is lower than King's, and I don't think his floor is any higher, either.

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Max is a proven commodity in the SEC. King hasn't looked worthy of starting against FCS teams.
Nobody knows but I would bet Max would have led us to 3 additional TDs with 0 INTs.

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Jimbo Fisher clearly believes that King is our "best shot" to win the SEC, or he wouldn't be playing and developing him.

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LatinAggie1997 said:

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Yes, I want CW to start but I understand that Max is likely our best shot to win the SEC.

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CW is not ready to start. Maybe next year. Mop-up duty would be fine though.

I don't understand (or agree) that Max is our best shot to win the SEC though. King needs to continue playing and developing, since he really only has 2 full college games under his belt at this point. Johnson's ceiling is lower than King's, and I don't think his floor is any higher, either.

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Max is a proven commodity in the SEC. King hasn't looked worthy of starting against FCS teams.
Nobody knows but I would bet Max would have led us to 3 additional TDs with 0 INTs.

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Hasn't looked worthy of starting against FCS teams lmfao

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LatinAggie1997 said:

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Yes, I want CW to start but I understand that Max is likely our best shot to win the SEC.

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CW is not ready to start. Maybe next year. Mop-up duty would be fine though.

I don't understand (or agree) that Max is our best shot to win the SEC though. King needs to continue playing and developing, since he really only has 2 full college games under his belt at this point. Johnson's ceiling is lower than King's, and I don't think his floor is any higher, either.

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Max is a proven commodity in the SEC. King hasn't looked worthy of starting against FCS teams.
Nobody knows but I would bet Max would have led us to 3 additional TDs with 0 INTs.

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Jimbo Fisher clearly believes that King is our "best shot" to win the SEC, or he wouldn't be playing and developing him.

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But LatinAggie1997 knows better than our coach who sees him in practice every day and knows the offense!

I hope Jimbo is right. I am not betting on King leading us to more than 8 wins. Again, I hope I am wrong.


Oh, perhaps Jombo is showing loyalty to a QB he recruited amd then got injured, ya know, for future recruiting purposes. I would bet he gives K8ng a short leash inthe SEC.

No, I am simply able to consider many variables and I do not think linearly.
Chance favors the prepared mind.

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No, I am simply able to consider many variables and I do not think linearly.
Chance favors the prepared mind.

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So how are your more prepared than Jimbo to make this decision?

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LatinAggie1997 said:

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Yes, I want CW to start but I understand that Max is likely our best shot to win the SEC.

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CW is not ready to start. Maybe next year. Mop-up duty would be fine though.

I don't understand (or agree) that Max is our best shot to win the SEC though. King needs to continue playing and developing, since he really only has 2 full college games under his belt at this point. Johnson's ceiling is lower than King's, and I don't think his floor is any higher, either.

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Max is a proven commodity in the SEC. King hasn't looked worthy of starting against FCS teams.
Nobody knows but I would bet Max would have led us to 3 additional TDs with 0 INTs.

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Max lost 5 SEC games last year and to UCLA. So when you say a proven SEC commodity, what did he prove.

To be be clear, I don't care which QB plays. The one that is starting now has a higher QBR than the other two ever have. He is also 2-0, so thats always a plus.

Haynes King had all the intangibles coming out of high school. He was tall, strong armed, could make all the throws and was said to have a top notch football acumen.

However, I'm concerned that he still hasn't put on enough muscle on his 6'3" frame, and he hasn't adjusted to the speed of big time D1 football.

And his arm strength hasn't impressed me so far. He can make long throws, but the velocity doesn't seem to be there. He reminds me of a shorter Colt McCoy. As long as Colt could pepper the field with passes that never extended past 15 yards, he was money. But 20+ yards down the field, he better have a wide open receiver or it was a 50/50 proposition.

With King, I haven't seen the 40 yard fastball you got from guys like Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow or Trevor Lawrence.

Now, as long as he understands the offense such that he doesn't have to make those throws, or the scheme allows the WRs to get open enough that velocity isn't a factor, he'll be fine. But those are my concerns.

Not saying you're wrong, but do you have any examples of these guys threading a needle 40 yards down the field to a guy who's covered?

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Not saying you're wrong, but do you have any examples of these guys threading a needle 40 yards down the field to a guy who's covered?

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Um…no, not on me man.

Actually here's a few from Kyler. Not all are passes but there are enough to prove my point. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Kyler Murray, but he definitely has a rocket attached to his 5'9", 185 lb body.

King threw bombs for TDs and interceptions that some might call punts. If the team who got the most first downs won, another QB might be starting.

Reggiesankles said:

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I just don't see the speed that everyone keeps talks about. I get it. On a track he may run fast but that doesn't always carry over to the football field. I saw many QB's on Saturday that looked quick out of the pocket, much more so than King. And they looked more natural - pull down quickly, slide before contact. Is that the issue? He's more straight line fast and it takes 10 yards to get there vs being quick (e.g. JFF)?

I know it's a small sample size but I'm hoping to see more of his 22 MPH clocked speed on Saturday.

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Kind of like Reggie McNealfast straight line but not fluid or agile. I think his speed is deceptive, but not in a good way (deceives Jimbo into thinking it is a greater asset than it really is).

I don't think he is a bad runner, just not a really good one (or exceptional like his speed reflects).

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Aggies2009 said:

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Not saying you're wrong, but do you have any examples of these guys threading a needle 40 yards down the field to a guy who's covered?

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Um…no, not on me man.

Actually here's a few from Kyler. Not all are passes but there are enough to prove my point. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Kyler Murray, but he definitely has a rocket attached to his 5'9", 185 lb body.

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I mean, you literally made the claim that they did that, so yeah, it is on you.

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Aggies2009 said:

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Not saying you're wrong, but do you have any examples of these guys threading a needle 40 yards down the field to a guy who's covered?

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Um…no, not on me man.

Actually here's a few from Kyler. Not all are passes but there are enough to prove my point. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Kyler Murray, but he definitely has a rocket attached to his 5'9", 185 lb body.

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I mean, you literally made the claim that they did that, so yeah, it is on you.

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Explain please. I don't get your point.

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Aggies2009 said:

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Not saying you're wrong, but do you have any examples of these guys threading a needle 40 yards down the field to a guy who's covered?

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Um…no, not on me man.

Actually here's a few from Kyler. Not all are passes but there are enough to prove my point. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Kyler Murray, but he definitely has a rocket attached to his 5'9", 185 lb body.

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I mean, you literally made the claim that they did that, so yeah, it is on you.

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Explain please. I don't get your point.

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I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

You made the claim that Lawrence, Kyler, etc threw darts 40 yards down the field to guys who were covered. I asked you to provide proof. You said the burden of proof wasn't on you, the person who made the claim. It is.

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Aggies2009 said:

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Not saying you're wrong, but do you have any examples of these guys threading a needle 40 yards down the field to a guy who's covered?

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Um…no, not on me man.

Actually here's a few from Kyler. Not all are passes but there are enough to prove my point. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Kyler Murray, but he definitely has a rocket attached to his 5'9", 185 lb body.

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I mean, you literally made the claim that they did that, so yeah, it is on you.

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Explain please. I don't get your point.

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I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

You made the claim that Lawrence, Kyler, etc threw darts 40 yards down the field to guys who were covered. I asked you to provide proof. You said the burden of proof wasn't on you. It is.

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I posted a video with of Kyler dropping long dimes with velocity and accuracy. I never said the burden of proof was on someone else. However I did quote a funny line from Dazed & Confused. If you don't know that movie, you should watch it. Contrary to popular belief it is set in Huntsville. It was filmed in Austin, but it's set in Huntsville.

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Why does he not slide at the end of the runs? In all his runs, he finished it with a head/shoulder first lunge. I hope somebody (aka Jimbo) reminds him he is not built like Tebow or Jalen Hurts.

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Coach, are you being paid millions for your infinite football wisdom??!!

My only complaint is that he still has noodle arms after completing the offseason. Do QB's even lift weights. A&M has had very few QB's that look like they even tried. There are a few but HK ain't one of em.

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The "He didn't go through his reads" comments from fans has me rolling. You have no freaking idea what he see's, goes through his head, what he is coached, and why he makes certain decisions. C'mon man! I hope these really aren't 'thinking people'.

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There was one play in particular where his footwork was commented and correctly focused on. As he went through 3 receivers, he adjusted his footwork with each read, then settled on the open cross and completed for a first down.

To your point, the progression was obvious. Anyone arguing that he spend the day dialed in on one receiver is simply not paying attention and/or trying to create a false narrative.

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Yep, he probably took some unnecessary risks/ignored some safety's over the top… but the play you're talking about we rarely saw in the last few years aside from maybe 2020. King's progression work was pretty solid

Recognizing coverage seems to be Kings biggest issue. Coaching and film can improve that. I like that he is aggressive and wants to go over the top.

He runs like a fish crane