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Heisenberg01 said:

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The Agly Duckling said:

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Tu is putting together a helluva class

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The Arch Manning influence is strong, admittedly. Huge coup for sip, with repeated benefits.

I'm still not sold on Sark, though.

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Agree.

I TRIED to tell people on here that the Arch comittment would be big for them. All you can do is try, lol. I was met with he is overrated, nobody will follow him, he didnt go to camps, etc...

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Let's be real here. tu is now picking up commitments from out of state recruits that have never been on their campus. This isn't about the "Arch effect". This is about stacks of cash.

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WRONG. Kirkland stated that he and Arch have become great friends and that had talked about playing together.

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Y'all are too gullible

Didn't have the sips anywhere near his top schools. Hasnt even seen the campus. Something big changed in the last week, and it wasn't arch.

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Respectfully, some people just don't understand recruiting, recruiting momentum, and how highly ranked players draw other guys. Of course NIL is a factor but not everything.

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Id say I have a pretty good understanding of how recruiting works.

This one changed almost overnight. I'm not buying it.

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LOL... and the folks on here weren't buying it awhile back when I tried to tell them either. It's OK, we don't have to agree, I was just trying to let people know .

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I'm not stupid, I knew arch would bring some guys.

But this recruitment was slightly different than say, Johntay's, for example.

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Yes , it was MUCH different.

Perhaps you didn't know that the young man had established a great relationship with Coach Flood while coach was at Bama. Maybe you didn't know he really liked Sark when Sark was at Bama. The kid has said Texas was always in his mix when those 2 coaches went to Austin. Their back and forth communication never ended.

He visited other schools and tried to visit Texas, but it didn't happen because of a conflict.

The momentum Texas has is REAL and getting Arch was a BIG part of that. Those factors won out in the end.

Please understand that NIL , a new factor in recruiting, is a REAL thing, too. I have no doubt that it played a role, as well.

But the kids choice isn't a shock if you know the back story.

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You are right , I didn't know that

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I don't think recruits are nearly as gullible regarding Arch. It is highly likely the overwhelming majority are fully aware Arch is substantially overrated.

Sark was an absolute disaster last year, his hire generated no buzz whatsoever. No bowl, lost to Kansas at home, no draft picks. It was a freakin' embarrassment so get out of here with all this legitimacy and momentum garbage.

Before last year happened, before the disaster, I could see some new coach momentum, but kids don't see how bad you suck and then decide they want to commit in droves over their list of favorites without even visiting, seemingly on the spot.

You really think this was about Flood building a relationship with this kid while at Bama? When he was a freshman or Sophomore in HS? I don't think for a minute Ketch would try and sell that as hard as some of you are.

It's not a TexAgs conspiracy; everyone is making the same observations, tu boards included.

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Yes.

Because that's how recruiting works. It's first and foremost about relationships. Relationships with position coaches, head coaches, players on the campuses, recruits considering the school etc...

It's how we put an awesome class together last year. Relationships.

As far as Arch goes, if you don't think signing the number one player doesnt get others, we'll you just don't get it. It isn't about whether he is overrated or not. Heck, we don't know which or any of the high ranked players will turn out.

As I said earlier , NIL is the new part of the equation and it's REAL. But if you think it was all money that put our class together last year or the one TU is putting together now, we'll you just maybe don't get it ? NIL money is a factor, yes, but not the only factor

Ags77 said:

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Ags77 said:

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nbaker2022 said:

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Ags77 said:

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nbaker2022 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Heisenberg01 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Tu is putting together a helluva class

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The Arch Manning influence is strong, admittedly. Huge coup for sip, with repeated benefits.

I'm still not sold on Sark, though.

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Agree.

I TRIED to tell people on here that the Arch comittment would be big for them. All you can do is try, lol. I was met with he is overrated, nobody will follow him, he didnt go to camps, etc...

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Let's be real here. tu is now picking up commitments from out of state recruits that have never been on their campus. This isn't about the "Arch effect". This is about stacks of cash.

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WRONG. Kirkland stated that he and Arch have become great friends and that had talked about playing together.

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Y'all are too gullible

Didn't have the sips anywhere near his top schools. Hasnt even seen the campus. Something big changed in the last week, and it wasn't arch.

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Respectfully, some people just don't understand recruiting, recruiting momentum, and how highly ranked players draw other guys. Of course NIL is a factor but not everything.

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Id say I have a pretty good understanding of how recruiting works.

This one changed almost overnight. I'm not buying it.

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LOL... and the folks on here weren't buying it awhile back when I tried to tell them either. It's OK, we don't have to agree, I was just trying to let people know .

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I'm not stupid, I knew arch would bring some guys.

But this recruitment was slightly different than say, Johntay's, for example.

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Yes , it was MUCH different.

Perhaps you didn't know that the young man had established a great relationship with Coach Flood while coach was at Bama. Maybe you didn't know he really liked Sark when Sark was at Bama. The kid has said Texas was always in his mix when those 2 coaches went to Austin. Their back and forth communication never ended.

He visited other schools and tried to visit Texas, but it didn't happen because of a conflict.

The momentum Texas has is REAL and getting Arch was a BIG part of that. Those factors won out in the end.

Please understand that NIL , a new factor in recruiting, is a REAL thing, too. I have no doubt that it played a role, as well.

But the kids choice isn't a shock if you know the back story.

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His mother is also moving to Houston next year. So I am sure that helped.

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I don't think recruits are nearly as gullible regarding Arch. It is highly likely the overwhelming majority are fully aware Arch is substantially overrated.

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We have a high school recruit that hasn't been hyped like this since maybe Lebron James. Kids are going to have groupie like fan fare

Arch told me he needed a LT.

— Payton ”PKAY“ Kirkland (@paytonkirk55) July 24, 2022

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I had a discussion with a guy on here that said Arch Manning was such a bad player, that the college coaches had him evaluated so low, that he was down to Texas and SMU "types" as his only choices, lol. You cannot make this stuff up, LOL. You try to explain to them that's not how recruiting works. Thats not how the recruiting momentum you get for getting the number one ranked player works, and how coaches think, but they just don't get it.

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I was there. It was hilarious. Other poster kept doubling down on his claim that Jimbo didn't want arch at all and all the kids' offers from the power programs weren't real/ commitable. Good stuff.

We pay, tu pays, everyone pays. Get over it.

Texas has had very good recruiting classes forever. But their record the last 10 or more years is poor. Weak culture and poor coaching is why. Sark is not the coach to change that IMO.

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I had a discussion with a guy on here that said Arch Manning was such a bad player, that the college coaches had him evaluated so low, that he was down to Texas and SMU "types" as his only choices, lol. You cannot make this stuff up, LOL. You try to explain to them that's not how recruiting works. Thats not how the recruiting momentum you get for getting the number one ranked player works, and how coaches think, but they just don't get it.

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I was there. It was hilarious. Other poster kept doubling down on his claim that Jimbo didn't want arch at all and all the kids' offers from the power programs weren't real/ commitable. Good stuff.

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Other guy is a colossal embarrassment to the forum and Aggies in general.

Yes or No.

Arch would be a 5* if his last name wasn't Manning?

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Yes or No.

Arch would be a 5* if his last name wasn't Manning?

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NO. Likely high 3 or low 4 star

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Yes or No.

Arch would be a 5* if his last name wasn't Manning?

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NO. Likely high 3 or low 4 star

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Why ?

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Yes or No.

Arch would be a 5* if his last name wasn't Manning?

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NO. Likely high 3 or low 4 star

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Why ?

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If kids are all about camps and getting their ranking as high as possible, you'd think they'd be very aware that Arch (as a player) appears to be a fraud. Which would kill his " I want to play with the best" BS we're seeing at tu. So in essence, he's entirely living off of a family name.

Then again, he's the essential tu player. All image and perception, little substance.

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Yes or No.

Arch would be a 5* if his last name wasn't Manning?

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NO. Likely high 3 or low 4 star

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Why ?

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If kids are all about camps and getting their ranking as high as possible, you'd think they'd be very aware that Arch (as a player) appears to be a fraud. Which would kill his " I want to play with the best" BS we're seeing at tu. So in essence, he's entirely living off of a family name.

Then again, he's the essential tu player. All image and perception, little substance.

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Whats your point ? What are you addressing that with me for? Did I say somewhere that Arch was underrated or a can't miss prospect ?

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AgLA06 said:

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Yes or No.

Arch would be a 5* if his last name wasn't Manning?

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NO. Likely high 3 or low 4 star

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Why ?

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If kids are all about camps and getting their ranking as high as possible, you'd think they'd be very aware that Arch (as a player) appears to be a fraud. Which would kill his " I want to play with the best" BS we're seeing at tu. So in essence, he's entirely living off of a family name.

Then again, he's the essential tu player. All image and perception, little substance.

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Whats your point ? What are you addressing that with me for? Did I say somewhere that Arch was underrated or a can't miss prospect ?

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You've repeatedly talked up how him being #1 was driving recruiting. I have no doubt the family name helps. I also have little doubt that most top players know his ranking is a sham. Which leads me to believe tu recruiting isn't being driven as much by Arch as you are indicating.

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Yes or No.

Arch would be a 5* if his last name wasn't Manning?

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NO. Likely high 3 or low 4 star

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Why ?

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If kids are all about camps and getting their ranking as high as possible, you'd think they'd be very aware that Arch (as a player) appears to be a fraud. Which would kill his " I want to play with the best" BS we're seeing at tu. So in essence, he's entirely living off of a family name.

Then again, he's the essential tu player. All image and perception, little substance.

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Whats your point ? What are you addressing that with me for? Did I say somewhere that Arch was underrated or a can't miss prospect ?

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I also have little doubt that most top players know his ranking is a sham.

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I think this is where you're probably wrong

The players seem to hear the name and see all of the attention he gets on the internet and buy into the hype. Social media will do that

We will see how it works out for them

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Ags77 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Ags77 said:

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AgLA06 said:

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Yes or No.

Arch would be a 5* if his last name wasn't Manning?

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NO. Likely high 3 or low 4 star

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Why ?

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If kids are all about camps and getting their ranking as high as possible, you'd think they'd be very aware that Arch (as a player) appears to be a fraud. Which would kill his " I want to play with the best" BS we're seeing at tu. So in essence, he's entirely living off of a family name.

Then again, he's the essential tu player. All image and perception, little substance.

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Whats your point ? What are you addressing that with me for? Did I say somewhere that Arch was underrated or a can't miss prospect ?

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I also have little doubt that most top players know his ranking is a sham.

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I think this is where you're probably wrong

The players seem to hear the name and see all of the attention he gets on the internet and buy into the hype. Social media will do that

We will see how it works out for them

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Maybe.

A couple of decades ago when I was going through baseball combines, the most talk was always about who was overrated. Players know and they despised guys like Arch.

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Yes or No.

Arch would be a 5* if his last name wasn't Manning?

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NO. Likely high 3 or low 4 star

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Why ?

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If kids are all about camps and getting their ranking as high as possible, you'd think they'd be very aware that Arch (as a player) appears to be a fraud. Which would kill his " I want to play with the best" BS we're seeing at tu. So in essence, he's entirely living off of a family name.

Then again, he's the essential tu player. All image and perception, little substance.

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Whats your point ? What are you addressing that with me for? Did I say somewhere that Arch was underrated or a can't miss prospect ?

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You've repeatedly talked up how him being #1 was driving recruiting. I have no doubt the family name helps. I also have little doubt that most top players know his ranking is a sham. Which leads me to believe tu recruiting isn't being driven as much by Arch as you are indicating.

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You are wrong. His family name helped his ranking, yes. No doubt.
His ranking drives their recruiting . That's also a no doubt. When you get recruiting momentum and you get a comittment from the number 1 ranked player in the country, you get others to follow. That's also a no doubt.

You follow now ?

No. And I've laid out why.

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No. And I've laid out why.

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Ok, lol. I tried. It's amazing how little some people on the board know or understand about recruiting and coaching.

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Yes or No.

Arch would be a 5* if his last name wasn't Manning?

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NO. Likely high 3 or low 4 star

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Why ?

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If kids are all about camps and getting their ranking as high as possible, you'd think they'd be very aware that Arch (as a player) appears to be a fraud. Which would kill his " I want to play with the best" BS we're seeing at tu. So in essence, he's entirely living off of a family name.

Then again, he's the essential tu player. All image and perception, little substance.

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Whats your point ? What are you addressing that with me for? Did I say somewhere that Arch was underrated or a can't miss prospect ?

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I also have little doubt that most top players know his ranking is a sham.

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I think this is where you're probably wrong

The players seem to hear the name and see all of the attention he gets on the internet and buy into the hype. Social media will do that

We will see how it works out for them

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Maybe.

A couple of decades ago when I was going through baseball combines, the most talk was always about who was overrated. Players know and they despised guys like Arch.

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Baseball combines utilize games many times to see how guys look, correct? Football? Not that I know of.

I think it's much easier for baseball kids to make comments since they see each other in combines or summer leagues coming up than football players.

Football camps at colleges and 7on7 are the equivalent. They actually get to go against each other.

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Football camps at colleges and 7pn7 are the equivalent. They actually get to go against each other.

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Fully padded? Rushers in 7 on 7?

Not the same.

If only they had seasons during the fall.