The reason Baylor went 1-11 in 2017 was after the rape scandal they had a lot of transfers out and they lost almost all the top players from a very respectable recruiting class Briles had just brought in. Most of those top recruits went to sipville in fact. They barely had a roster to field a team in 2017.

Granted with the new transfer rules and portal, things can change quickly. But how stable of a program can you really build with players that are only there 1-2 years?

To be fair fan is short for fanatical therefore you are probably not objective about your team

College football teams turn things around in one season all of the time. Auburn was terrible in 2012 and then played for the national championship in 2013(with Chizik no less). It doesn't mean that Auburn was "back" to being a top tier program. It simply meant they put it together for a season. For horns fans, I like to focus on the bigger picture and that is that they have been a mediocre football program for 40 of the past 50 years. I then name all of their coaches(Akers, McWilliams, Mackovic, Mack, Strong, Herman, Sark) and ask which of those coaches won anything for a considerable time frame. The answer, of course, is Mack, hence the 10 years out of 50 they weren't mediocre.

*edit-I know Akers had a few good seasons after following Royal but definitely not a body of work that is noteworthy..

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The problem is not Sark altho he's probably not the solution either . The problem is endemic to their football culture. Big cigars should have no say whatsoever in anything beyond when To hire and fire head coaches.

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One campus, one administration, tens of thousands delusional narcissist's. You can't fix that EVER if they refuse to recognize it. Hope they never wake up to the fact, they are their own worst enemy.

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The few sips I have talked to are absolutely 100% convinced they are going to roll through the SEC and take over the dominant position from Bama starting year one. Such good humor.

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I don't know where these people are but they don't seem to hang out in Austin or post on the Texas message boards.

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The Texas grads I know don't really want to talk about football anymore. And that was before Kansas.

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Yeah and we are never delusional.


Btw, this board defended Fran and Sherman after going 4-8 in their first seasons.

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That just means - "Yeah, we been there".

We know how this stuff works.

tu is not able to BS old BSer's.

This is new territory for them.

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College football teams turn things around in one season all of the time. Auburn was terrible in 2012 and then played for the national championship in 2013(with Chizik no less). It doesn't mean that Auburn was "back" to being a top tier program. It simply meant they put it together for a season. For horns fans, I like to focus on the bigger picture and that is that they have been a mediocre football program for 40 of the past 50 years. I then name all of their coaches(Akers, McWilliams, Mackovic, Mack, Strong, Herman, Sark) and ask which of those coaches won anything for a considerable time frame. The answer, of course, is Mack, hence the 10 years out of 50 they weren't mediocre.

*edit-I know Akers had a few good seasons after following Royal but definitely not a body of work that is noteworthy..

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Auburn went 3-9 in Gene Chizik's final season in 2012. Auburn went 0-8 in SEC games and lost 6 of those 8 games by 17+ points, including a 24-7 blowout loss to Arkansas team at home after a bye week. Under interim head coach John L. Smith, Arkansas team finished 4-8 (2-6 in SEC Games) after going 21-5 in the previous two years under Bobby Petrino. Gus Malzahn led that gigantic turnaround from 3-9 in 2012 to 12-1 SEC Champions that played for the national championship in 2013.

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Jimbo4win said:

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College football teams turn things around in one season all of the time. Auburn was terrible in 2012 and then played for the national championship in 2013(with Chizik no less). It doesn't mean that Auburn was "back" to being a top tier program. It simply meant they put it together for a season. For horns fans, I like to focus on the bigger picture and that is that they have been a mediocre football program for 40 of the past 50 years. I then name all of their coaches(Akers, McWilliams, Mackovic, Mack, Strong, Herman, Sark) and ask which of those coaches won anything for a considerable time frame. The answer, of course, is Mack, hence the 10 years out of 50 they weren't mediocre.

*edit-I know Akers had a few good seasons after following Royal but definitely not a body of work that is noteworthy..

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Auburn went 3-9 in Gene Chizik's final season in 2012. Auburn went 0-8 in SEC games and lost 6 of those 8 games by 17+ points, including a 24-7 blowout loss to an Arkansas team after a bye week. Under interim head coach John L. Smith, Arkansas team finished 4-8 (2-6 in SEC Games) after going 21-5 in the previous two years under Bobby Petrino. Gus Malzahn led that gigantic turnaround from 3-9 in 2012 to 12-1 SEC Champions that played for the national championship in 2013.

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Thats true about Auburn but they needed:
An obvious no call horse collar
The prayer at Jordan-Hare
The Kick Six


Those huge breaks don't go your way Auburn goes 8-4 at best

Alpha Texan said:

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we aim for CFP appearances 5 years in a row.

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When does that start?

Not all goals are met, young grasshopper

Alpha Texan said:

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Not all goals are met, young grasshopper

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3 years in and we ain't sniffed it, grasshopper.

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Alpha Texan said:

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Not all goals are met, young grasshopper

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3 years in and we ain't sniffed it, grasshopper.

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Maybe your nose is a lot older than mine, gramps, but I caught a strong whiff last year

Perhaps that was your diaper.

4 team playoff, no. 8 team, yes.

I think your friend is right. Sark just needs time and the program needs stability. Maybe they should extend his contract for a few more years.

I must poop rainbows and piss excellence then because dang that smelled good. Being IN the playoff once would be a piece of the pie, being top 5 is smelling it.

Man, now I need some of my grandfather's pecan pie!

Baylor is having such a good year, and here I am, I didn't even know they were in the top 10

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Texas is probably better than their record shows this year. They have been competitive in every game they have played. With only modest improvement, they could easily be a 1 or 2 loss team in the BDF next year.

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Texas' *talent* is better than their record shows this year......

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No, it isn't. That is the delusion. They have the talent of a lower tier Big 12 team.

Eventually, at some time, Texas football will be good again. Maybe not National Champion good, but they'll be better. Like it or not, they have too much money and resources.

Sip fans delusional? Gosh that does not sound like them!

How old is your cousin?

Mention to him Sark has been a head coach for 7 full seasons. He's lost 6 or more games in 5 of those seasons. In his 1/2 season he got fired for problem drinking. They may not have the right man.

The delusion is strong with this one.

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Right. The only thing better than having Texas in your conference, is beating Texas in your conference. The SEC is going to love having other SEC teams kick our ass on the field while at the same time using our "brand" to sell games.

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WTF is he talking about? The SEC doesn't need their "brand" to sell games?

Hate to break it to your buddy but this years Bama is not like the Bama of previous years.

Sark did great with 1st round NFL talent at Bama, but he has no history of being great without Bama players. Lane and his train on the other hand don't need 5 stars at every position.

Come on....Sark just needs time. Lots of time.

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ActualTalkingThermos said:

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92_Ag said:

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The few sips I have talked to are absolutely 100% convinced they are going to roll through the SEC and take over the dominant position from Bama starting year one. Such good humor.

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I don't know where these people are but they don't seem to hang out in Austin or post on the Texas message boards.

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The Texas grads I know don't really want to talk about football anymore. And that was before Kansas.

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I've got one in particular that loves to banter, say "we'll be fine" when they're down, call us farmer and little brother. 10yrs we've been bantering and right around loss number 3 he won't say a word. In his sip-ness he thinks he's winning but it's hilarious.

In the year 2025….

Texas:: So this is the SEC, huh?

Vanderbilt: hold my beer, sip.

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My Name Is Judge said:

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I like em being delusional

If they're smelling their own farts during 4 win seasons, it means they aren't going to hire a real coach anytime soon

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I love it. They need to keep thinking this way. Sark is THE answer!

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All good points. Anything could happen. But to me, Sark has already clearly demonstrated he is NOT the guy. So THIS!

I wholeheartedly believe Herman would have won 7 or 8 games if he had remained HC. Both suck as HCs either way but at least you can have some respect for Sark. Just not his program.

sip is going to back out of that SEC move, press release on Christmas morning at 3am style.

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I bet they find a way out of the Bama home and home with the SEC move....

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It's a real possibility they cancel the trip to Alabama if gas prices keep going up

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Not many options available when your all gas no breaks

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I don't believe that Nicky will let them back out. He likes the Ws against the 'name' brand schools

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joefix93 said:

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AgSnacks16 said:

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Texas is probably better than their record shows this year. They have been competitive in every game they have played. With only modest improvement, they could easily be a 1 or 2 loss team in the BDF next year.

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Texas' *talent* is better than their record shows this year......

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No, it isn't. That is the delusion. They have the talent of a lower tier Big 12 team.

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Their draft classes are historically artificially-inflated, but that doesn't change the fact that they have the talent to be in the running for the BDF conference championship each year - not saying much, but it's true. However, physical talent doesn't necessarily correlate with mental toughness - when the chips are down, their players roll over. That's 100% on the coaching staff to instill belief in the program and to not recruit talented kids with cancerous attitudes (that grow when their backs are against the wall).

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What major college fan base is NOT delusional?

Every fan thinks their team is better than they really are; their team will only get better and never worse; their team can win a title, they have the right coach, etc.

That's normal for passionate alumni of major colleges.

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True... but do you know many sips? There's delusional... and then there's sip entitled delusional.

They really believe they are the top program in the country.
They really believe it's the top coaching destination in the country, envied by all coaches.
All other programs are beneath them and of no importance.

Do you know that woman who used to be sort of attractive, but has aged poorly, had too much plastic surgery, but still parades around like she's the bell of the ball? That's tu.

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My cousin is a huge longhorn fans. I had a conversation with him this past week about how bad of a place his program is in (mostly rubbing it in because why not?).

Here is just a sample of how delusional that fan base is and how they are thinking about the current state of affairs in Austin.

"Baylor went 1-11 in 2017 and is now a top 10 team. Sark needs time to rebuild the program. The entire staff is from Bama so I won't be surprised if we are back in the top 10 within 2 years"


Had to share this little gem with the Zoo.

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This is not news for they have been delusional for decades, only for t.u. to fall on their faces.

And they actually think that moving to the SEC will bring them back to "greatness".

Once a program is in a hole it is difficult to bring them up. The heart of the problem is Austin and the delusional attitude of the students and players that they think they are automatically better and are entitled to be a natty quality program. They have to earn it with good recruits who are willing to work. That is why the culture at sip land and Austin actually hurt them.

They have a long way to go right now, but as SUCKY as their season was and all the side antics, they are sitting at the number 7 class in the nation right now. This thing could swing back in their favor in short order. In saying that, where I think they are delusional is that they still think they are one of the big boys. They don't realize they are more like Nebraska right now than they are Ohio State, Bama or Georgia. Nebraska had glory days but aren't much anymore. A&M isn't going away any time soon and Texas is playing from behind in everything.