My cousin is a huge longhorn fans. I had a conversation with him this past week about how bad of a place his program is in (mostly rubbing it in because why not?).

Here is just a sample of how delusional that fan base is and how they are thinking about the current state of affairs in Austin.

"Baylor went 1-11 in 2017 and is now a top 10 team. Sark needs time to rebuild the program. The entire staff is from Bama so I won't be surprised if we are back in the top 10 within 2 years"


Had to share this little gem with the Zoo.

He's using Baylor as a measuring stick. Baylor. Let that sink in for a bit. Baylor is the flag bearer for the league. That's all you should need to know about the state of the Texas program and the Big 12 Conference.

That seems pretty logical to me. Not saying I want it to or think it would happen, but if i was a sip that would be all I had to hang on to.


Should have told him worry about being as good as UTSA before you worry about being where baybay is at

I like em being delusional

If they're smelling their own farts during 4 win seasons, it means they aren't going to hire a real coach anytime soon

Longhorn Fans = Delusional???? You're just now realizing this?

You should encourage him to share his perspective with everyone who will listen. Don't forget to keep a straight face and give frequent affirmative nods of agreement.

Yeah and we are never delusional.


Btw, this board defended Fran and Sherman after going 4-8 in their first seasons.

I've listened to one on the radio talk about how great it is, and what a favor KU did to tu be beating them, that now tu can get rid of some of the dead weight and rebuild thru the transfer portal.

CheersforBeers said:

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My cousin is a huge longhorn fans. I had a conversation with him this past week about how bad of a place his program is in (mostly rubbing it in because why not?).

Here is just a sample of how delusional that fan base is and how they are thinking about the current state of affairs in Austin.

"Baylor went 1-11 in 2017 and is now a top 10 team. Sark needs time to rebuild the program. The entire staff is from Bama so I won't be surprised if we are back in the top 10 within 2 years"


Had to share this little gem with the Zoo.

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What he says about Baylor is true. They hit rock bottom with the charges of the administration ignoring rape to keep players on the field. They couldn't do anything but hit rock bottom. They changed their entire structure because they had to. It's hard for a proud (arrogant) program led by proud (arrogant) boosters and administrators to change like that without hitting rock bottom and understanding that they need to let go of the reigns and let someone else take over.

Baylor burned it all down because it was forced on them by the authorities. Will tu hit rock bottom and reach that level of "burn it down and rebuild it" simply because they finish last in the big 12 this year? No one knows, but I suspect they'll keep tweaking things here and there, and trying to turn around their carrier with an oar and they'll still be in this position when they hit the SEC and it'll be great, because that'll be about the time Aggies are understood to be a perennial playoff contender. The stark contrast between the programs will be all it takes for the best recruits to know they all prefer to be Aggies.

I was going to say he's not wrong - I am sure the longhorns will be receiving top 25 AP and Coaches Poll votes in the early parts of the next 2 seasons - to be a top 10 team all they have to do is handle their OOC and win a couple of games before they play OU... but I just looked and tu plays BAMA home and home the next 2 years - ouch!

I bet they find a way out of the Bama home and home with the SEC move....

Knoxville_Ag_08 said:

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I bet they find a way out of the Bama home and home with the SEC move....

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It's a real possibility they cancel the trip to Alabama if gas prices keep going up

Not sure why Baylor is a bad measuring stick. They've won a conference title more recently than any other school in this state.

It's funny.....

Barry Switzer and 0U retired Darrell Royal
Big game Bob retired (temporarily anyway) Mack Brown

And now 0U is leading tu into the SEC slaughterhouse

ABATTBQ87 said:

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Knoxville_Ag_08 said:

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I bet they find a way out of the Bama home and home with the SEC move....

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It's a real possibility they cancel the trip to Alabama if gas prices keep going up

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Not many options available when your all gas no breaks

As much as I love the taste of Longhorn tears in my morning coffee, your cousin might not be THAT far off.

Texas is probably better than their record shows this year. They have been competitive in every game they have played. With only modest improvement, they could easily be a 1 or 2 loss team in the BDF next year. It seems very similar to the 2011 Aggies and the 2012 Aggies. The 2011 team couldn't finish games and ended up blowing games late. The 2012 season looked like a complete turnaround...

AgSnacks16 said:

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As much as I love the taste of Longhorn tears in my morning coffee, your cousin might not be THAT far off.

Texas is probably better than their record shows this year. They have been competitive in every game they have played. With only modest improvement, they could easily be a 1 or 2 loss team in the BDF next year. It seems very similar to the 2011 Aggies and the 2012 Aggies. The 2011 team couldn't finish games and ended up blowing games late. The 2012 season looked like a complete turnaround...

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A big part of that turnaround was that we improved considerably at one very important position…

Let me know when Texas pulls out of their ass next year a once in a generation phenom at qb that people talk about for decades to come

What major college fan base is NOT delusional?

Every fan thinks their team is better than they really are; their team will only get better and never worse; their team can win a title, they have the right coach, etc.

That's normal for passionate alumni of major colleges.

He's not completely wrong. Turnarounds can happen really fast.

I agree. I mean, we all use Clemson as a measuring stick to the top, Bailer is just their measuring stick. They aim for top 15, we aim for CFP appearances 5 years in a row.

I had the virtually the same conversation with a lifelong sip friend last Friday at a high school game. Just give Sark and his team two or three years and they will be back at their rightful place.

Turnarounds can and do happen fast, but my expectations for Sark are not super high. The team has obviously quit on him already which seems bad. At least Herman always had the team playing above their heads in big games and always kept it in reach. Every year it was 3 or 4 or 5 games where one more TD, one more stop, one less mistake would've given us the win. I still think that given more chances he would've eventually had a(nother?) season where he won 2 or 3 more cosmic coinflips to get over the hump into NY6/playoff territory. Hell he'd have probably won 9-10 games last year if not for all the covid stuff. As always he damn near went 10 for 10 as it was.

The part I'll never get is that our team could somehow
make Kansas or Maryland or whoever look exactly as good as 2019 LSU or 2018 Georgia or playoff-bound OU teams. No better no worse.

The few sips I have talked to are absolutely 100% convinced they are going to roll through the SEC and take over the dominant position from Bama starting year one. Such good humor.

92_Ag said:

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The few sips I have talked to are absolutely 100% convinced they are going to roll through the SEC and take over the dominant position from Bama starting year one. Such good humor.

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I don't know where these people are but they don't seem to hang out in Austin or post on the Texas message boards.

He is right about Baylor's quick turnaround. After Baylor fired Art Briles on 5/26/16, Jim Grobe stepped in as the interim head coach for 2016. Baylor started 6-0 that season before losing their last 6 regular season games to fall to 6-6. Then, Baylor crushed Boise State 31-12 in the Cactus Bowl to finish 7-6.

Baylor had hit rock bottom and finished 1-11 in Matt Rhule's 1st season in 2017. Dating back to the last 6 regular season games of 2016, Baylor had lost 17 of 19 games. In Matt Rhule's 2nd season in 2018, Baylor was much improved and finished 7-6 with a 45-38 win over Vanderbilt in the Texas Bowl. Then, Matt Rhule led Baylor to an 11-1 regular season and appearances in the Big 12 Championship Game and the Sugar Bowl in 2019. As a result of that tremendous turnaround, the Carolina Panthers hired Matt Rhule to be their head coach in 2020.

Dave Aranda replaced Matt Rhule and went 2-7 in an all-Big 12 schedule in his 1st season last year. Baylor is currently 9-2 and ranked No. 9. If Baylor beats Texas Tech and Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma, Baylor will play Oklahoma State in the Big 12 Championship Game.

My Name Is Judge said:

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I like em being delusional

If they're smelling their own farts during 4 win seasons, it means they aren't going to hire a real coach anytime soon

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I love it. They need to keep thinking this way. Sark is THE answer!

Hitting rock bottom is a great way to restart your program. The caveat is that you have to give up everything that makes up your program in order for that to work. I don't see that happening here.

AgSnacks16 said:

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Texas is probably better than their record shows this year. They have been competitive in every game they have played. With only modest improvement, they could easily be a 1 or 2 loss team in the BDF next year.

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On the surface this sounds good, but remember they also only barely beat tcu. They could also be 3-8 right now. Last year they had 3 nail biter wins and could have been far worse than what they ended up with. And we coulda shoulda won against miss st and had a chance late against ole miss so are we playoff material?

Football games are often close and the ability to win those is what makes me think Jimbo is special (more so than our last few). What has Sark shown to make you or the sips think he can motivate his team in those situations? If anything it has been just the opposite, consistently snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Your cousin should take solace in JFK's speech,

"But why, some say, the moon?" Kennedy said. "Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic?
Why does Texas play Kansas?
We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard."

1) The entire staff is not from Bama.
2) There is only one person on the Bama staff that matters and he is still the HC at Bama.
3) t.u. talent is below average, way below average on the LOS.
4) Sark is an avg. HC and he does not have Bama level talent anywhere on the team.
5) There is nothing on Sarks resume to suggest he can be the coach of a consistent Top 25 program much less Top 10.

Let them keep thinking this way, it is good comedy.

Sark will get 3 years of bad results and tu will fire him. Rinse repeat start over.

AgSnacks16 said:

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Texas is probably better than their record shows this year. They have been competitive in every game they have played. With only modest improvement, they could easily be a 1 or 2 loss team in the BDF next year.

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Texas' *talent* is better than their record shows this year. They have been competitive in every game they have played...until they weren't.

The problem isn't with the available pure talent that they have, it's their culture. Their coaching hires have done nothing to instill "toughness, effort, discipline, pride, and grit". Those are the things, as Jimbo-clich as they sound, that separate winners from losers. Coaches have a responsibility of instilling it, but the players have to own it.

JFF was a freak-of-nature talent. But the thing he brought to the team that was so magical was that he was a singular rally point...it wasn't because Sumlin ran such a great program. Calzada coming back into the Bama game after getting his knee rolled up? That single-handedly tipped the scales of the attitudes of our players on *both* sides of the ball. It was a player who showed leadership to his teammates that what the coaches have been preaching would win the game, if applied.

Texas' team is mentally weak. They eat their own. And their alumni/fanbase are so deluded about who they think they are...they will continue to try to hit homeruns with their coaching hires, completely unaware of how toxic their organization is, thereby limiting their selection pool to flashy washouts and big program rejects.

The primary difference is that the Baylor roster is comprised of almost no players that would have received an offer from Texas. The fact that it's assumed horn will rely heavily on the xfer portal to rebuild their team tells you everything you need to know about the state of their program.

The problem is not Sark altho he's probably not the solution either . The problem is endemic to their football culture. Big cigars should have no say whatsoever in anything beyond when To hire and fire head coaches.

Cynic said:

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Not sure why Baylor is a bad measuring stick. They've won a conference title more recently than any other school in this state.

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No Baylor fan but they have a better coach for one. He actually knows what he is doing and has that team pointed in the right direction. They have an identity now. Tu is a hot mess and there is no quick fix. Even if their recruiting was to uptick this year they need years of success to rebuild….