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"Blue bloods" way down

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maroonthrunthru
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I 'member the days when Army, Harvard, Yale, Georgia Tech, Tulane, and Centre College were the dominant teams… 'Member those days ???

Also 'member Miami, Florida, Tennessee, USCe and USCw dominance… 'Member ???

For everything, there is a season…
Emilio Fantastico
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Under any definition, Miami is not a blue blood. One 20 year run of dominance does not a blue blood make. Especially when you combine that with 100 years of irrelevance.

Blue bloods mostly consist of the schools that got big and powerful and good at football early in the game's history and then used their 'bigness' to maintain their position through the years. Some go back further than others but the latter ones all emerged shortly after WW2.
Boiling Denim
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maroonthrunthru said:

I 'member the days when Army, Harvard, Yale, Georgia Tech, Tulane, and Centre College were the dominant teams… 'Member those days ???


Ok Boomer
schmellba99
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InnocentBystander99 said:

Michigan is 9-1 ranked in the top 10 and not counting last year Harbaugh's worst season is 8-5.
But we do count last year, which he was 2-4 in
schmellba99
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Salute The Marines said:

Miami and FSU aren't blue bloods. Not sure Tennessee is either.
If Miami isn't considered a blue blood....then what, exactly is?

I mean, they have 4 or 5 national championships, were the dominant team of the 80's and were the dominant team of the early 2000's. Not many teams can sit on the same level, especially since scholarship limits were introduced.
Mr. Ectomy
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To further Emilios' point, I think you would first need a clear definition of what constitutes a "blue blood" program.

Then a determination could be made as to which schools meet that criteria.
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dixichkn said:

Be nice if Bama joined that group
Bama toiled for a decade and they'll be there eventually. 8-5 Bama is just one Saban retirement away. Demographic trends are shifting south. But not to Bama.
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CCP Joe Veggie said:

TexAg15 said:

Kozmozag said:

Are we really trending up? Lost to 3 average teams with a 50/50 chance against lsu.




…..with a back up QB. Stfu

that Jimbo offered a scholly to.
....so did UGA, Tenn, North Carolina, Louisville, Oklahoma State and 37 other schools
schmellba99
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Little Rock Ag said:

RogerTheShrubber said:

Nebraska got absolutely KILLED by tu/the Big12 eliminating partial qualifiers. That was their bread and butter and the backbone of their program. Kstate handled it a bit better by going the JUCO route, but Neb was a bit too stubborn to "stoop" to that level. Also, not much of an incentive to play in Lincoln unless you are a Neb native (a renowned HOTBED of CFB talent).

Miami got killed by their own Administration. They still feel like they should be a private school with education as the MAIN priority, eliminating the talent pool which led to their rise to prominence (inner city "thugs"/atheletes).
Nebraska had a reputation for developing homegrown offensive line talent and utilizing it to create a powerful rushing attack in the Tom Osborne system. Once Osborne retired, and Nebraska thought winning "only" 9 games on occasion under his disciple, Frank Solich, was unacceptable and unwisely fired him, they lost their way. I can almost guarantee you that many Husker fans can point to the firing of Solich as one of their biggest mistakes, even if they won't admit it.
I think a big, but understated, part of Nebraska's rise to success was tha they were the first program to really invest in strength and conditioning, and it ultimately played out on the field before other teams caught up.

Up until really the 80's, lifting weights wasn't a huge part of football training. The overarching mentality was that lifting weights might make you stronger, but it made you slower and less flexible. Nebraska had a coach that eventually became the first strength and conditioning coach because he worked with injured players - through strength training, stretching, etc. - and the coaching staff figured out that when these players returned, they were better physically than they had been before.

Combine that with the partial qualifiers, conference re-alignment and letting Solich go ultimately killed them.
AGinHI
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schmellba99 said:

CCP Joe Veggie said:

TexAg15 said:

Kozmozag said:

Are we really trending up? Lost to 3 average teams with a 50/50 chance against lsu.




…..with a back up QB. Stfu

that Jimbo offered a scholly to.
....so did UGA, Tenn, North Carolina, Louisville, Oklahoma State and 37 other schools
schmellba99
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Mac94 said:

Well ... most of those aren't true "blue bloods," at least to me. Most are good programs, probably one tier down, but not the real blue bloods of the sport. Those would be:

Alabama Crimson Tide
Georgia Bulldogs
Michigan Wolverines
Nebraska Cornhuskers
Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Ohio State Buckeyes
Oklahoma Sooners
Texas Longhorns
USC Trojans.

Of this list only three are struggling ... USC, tu, and Nebraska. The Huskers woes and the challenges they face are well documented and are the one team on the list that could fall into historical obscurity.

The real turmoil is in the next tier of teams ... Clemson, Florida, Florida St., LSU, Miami, Oregon, Penn St., Tennessee, Washington, UCLA. This group is really up and down
Alabama - yes
Georgia - No
Michigan - yes
Nebraska - no
Notre Dame - yes
tOSU - yes
OU - yes
tu - no
SC - yes
Agsuffering@bulaw
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Quote:

Are we really trending up? Lost to 3 average teams with a 50/50 chance against lsu.

We are likely narrow favorites. When was the last time we were favored in BR? Was it 2013, or the 90s?

Are OM, MSU, or Arkansas average?

Sagarin has them 10th, 24th, and 29th out of all D1.
Teslag
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schmellba99 said:

Salute The Marines said:

Miami and FSU aren't blue bloods. Not sure Tennessee is either.
If Miami isn't considered a blue blood....then what, exactly is?

I mean, they have 4 or 5 national championships, were the dominant team of the 80's and were the dominant team of the early 2000's. Not many teams can sit on the same level, especially since scholarship limits were introduced.

It's not just national titles. It's perception, fan following, media attention, championships, all time wins, sustained history. Miami doesn't fit this. In fact, their history was actually being the anti-blue blood. Many of the blue bloods can point to histories almost 100 years long.
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