This makes my head hurt...
That would highly depend on if Johnny took his job seriously, which he admitted he didn't. The problem wasn't the Browns, it was his lack of commitment to being a professional. He could've left after his contract to a better team but he didn't give himself that chance.MooreTrucker said:
I will never be not convinced that if Johnny had gone somewhere better than CLE and sat for a year or two behind an established QB like Mahomes did with Alex Smith, he'd still be playing now.
What you say is true, but IMO, he had no mentoring/leadership to help with that either. He had a coach that didn't want him and didn't know how to use his skills effectively and a veteran QB that actively pushed against him.12mn95 said:That would highly depend on if Johnny took his job seriously, which he admitted he didn't. The problem wasn't the Browns, it was his lack of commitment to being a professional. He could've left after his contract to a better team but he didn't give himself that chance.MooreTrucker said:
I will never be not convinced that if Johnny had gone somewhere better than CLE and sat for a year or two behind an established QB like Mahomes did with Alex Smith, he'd still be playing now.
Scotty Appleton said:
By and large QB's who play on stacked/dominant college programs struggle in the NFL. They don't take enough hits, literally/figuratively until they are in an environment where it's mostly an even playing field and they aren't the best person on the field. Most have been able to coast from HS through college and now grown men are in their faces within 3 seconds.
Most NFL QB's that make it play on solid/good college teams where they elevated the team, but still got their butts kicked from time to time. As weird as it may sound, if you have designs on being a good NFL QB, one of the worst things to do is go play on a college team where you are only challenged 1-2 times a year.
Scotty Appleton said:
By and large QB's who play on stacked/dominant college programs struggle in the NFL. They don't take enough hits, literally/figuratively until they are in an environment where it's mostly an even playing field and they aren't the best person on the field. Most have been able to coast from HS through college and now grown men are in their faces within 3 seconds.
Most NFL QB's that make it play on solid/good college teams where they elevated the team, but still got their butts kicked from time to time. As weird as it may sound, if you have designs on being a good NFL QB, one of the worst things to do is go play on a college team where you are only challenged 1-2 times a year.
Are you serious? JFF wasnt willing to put in the work, he just wanted the lifestyle.MooreTrucker said:
I will never be not convinced that if Johnny had gone somewhere better than CLE and sat for a year or two behind an established QB like Mahomes did with Alex Smith, he'd still be playing now.
100% agree. He didn't help himself, for sure, but he was also put in a position to fail by his coaches and Cleveland in general.MooreTrucker said:
I will never be not convinced that if Johnny had gone somewhere better than CLE and sat for a year or two behind an established QB like Mahomes did with Alex Smith, he'd still be playing now.
Yes, I'm serious. I guess I think a little more highly of him than you do.ATL Aggie said:Are you serious? JFF wasnt willing to put in the work, he just wanted the lifestyle.MooreTrucker said:
I will never be not convinced that if Johnny had gone somewhere better than CLE and sat for a year or two behind an established QB like Mahomes did with Alex Smith, he'd still be playing now.
PaulTony said:
Rumor is Tua is done at Miami trading for Watson
J Hurts is terrible in PHL
Mack Jones jury still out in NE but lost to Tua
Bama for a QB is fools gold like having a scratch handicap at a par 3 golf at Caldwell CC.
Arch Manning should talk to Jimbo
S.A. Aggie said:PaulTony said:
Rumor is Tua is done at Miami trading for Watson
J Hurts is terrible in PHL
Mack Jones jury still out in NE but lost to Tua
Bama for a QB is fools gold like having a scratch handicap at a par 3 golf at Caldwell CC.
Arch Manning should talk to Jimbo
Unfortunately he will probably be a sip.
I love Johnny. Not only was he incredibly fun to watch but he also was instrumental in A&M taking a huge step forward to becoming a powerhouse. As fans we owe him a lot of gratitude. He has my respect. I think he is one of the greatest college QB's of all time. The fact that he didnt last in the NFL doesn't change my opinion of him.MooreTrucker said:Yes, I'm serious. I guess I think a little more highly of him than you do.ATL Aggie said:Are you serious? JFF wasnt willing to put in the work, he just wanted the lifestyle.MooreTrucker said:
I will never be not convinced that if Johnny had gone somewhere better than CLE and sat for a year or two behind an established QB like Mahomes did with Alex Smith, he'd still be playing now.
I know they have made top 3, but I will believe that when I see it. I don't think getting your butt beat for a couple years when Texas transitions to the SEC is a good look for the draft. And now isn't like when we came in, the SEC is used to Big XII style offenses. If it were my kid, I'd tell him to go to Georgia or Bama, win a ton of games, set yourself up with success.S.A. Aggie said:PaulTony said:
Rumor is Tua is done at Miami trading for Watson
J Hurts is terrible in PHL
Mack Jones jury still out in NE but lost to Tua
Bama for a QB is fools gold like having a scratch handicap at a par 3 golf at Caldwell CC.
Arch Manning should talk to Jimbo
Unfortunately he will probably be a sip.
Josh McCown? I never heard that version that you are mentioning here. I did look it up and this is what I did find and it seems genuine from McCown. You are welcome to read it hereMooreTrucker said:What you say is true, but IMO, he had no mentoring/leadership to help with that either. He had a coach that didn't want him and didn't know how to use his skills effectively and a veteran QB that actively pushed against him.12mn95 said:That would highly depend on if Johnny took his job seriously, which he admitted he didn't. The problem wasn't the Browns, it was his lack of commitment to being a professional. He could've left after his contract to a better team but he didn't give himself that chance.MooreTrucker said:
I will never be not convinced that if Johnny had gone somewhere better than CLE and sat for a year or two behind an established QB like Mahomes did with Alex Smith, he'd still be playing now.
I think he's talking about Hoyer12mn95 said:Josh McCown? I never heard that version that you are mentioning here. I did look it up and this is what I did find and it seems genuine from McCown. You are welcome to read it hereMooreTrucker said:What you say is true, but IMO, he had no mentoring/leadership to help with that either. He had a coach that didn't want him and didn't know how to use his skills effectively and a veteran QB that actively pushed against him.12mn95 said:That would highly depend on if Johnny took his job seriously, which he admitted he didn't. The problem wasn't the Browns, it was his lack of commitment to being a professional. He could've left after his contract to a better team but he didn't give himself that chance.MooreTrucker said:
I will never be not convinced that if Johnny had gone somewhere better than CLE and sat for a year or two behind an established QB like Mahomes did with Alex Smith, he'd still be playing now.
https://www.businessinsider.com/josh-mccown-touching-response-to-johnny-manziel-party-video-2015-11
Mac Jones strikes me as a very smart kid, hes doing very good for a rookie, he will do good in the NFL in New Englands systemwangus12 said:
Mac Jones has looked perfectly fine for a rookie and I think he'll make a pretty dang good QB
W said:
someone needs to start a thread on Alabama's 1st round WR's.
it has not been a good week.
Ridley, Ruggs, et al