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Not since vintage RC in the early 1990s have we had a coach like this. Remember the wilderness, Ags. CoachFran.com. 0-77.

Money well spent.

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Yea and RC went so great

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Do we need to review the early 90s?

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Let's do... Loss, loss, loss

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Not since vintage RC in the early 1990s have we had a coach like this. Remember the wilderness, Ags. CoachFran.com. 0-77.

Money well spent.

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Yea and RC went so great

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Do we need to review the early 90s?

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Let's do... Loss, loss, loss

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Lemme guess, you weren't alive then

We haven't had a football coach hired away since Bear Bryant went home to mama. Color me skeptical that LSU was a real threat to hire away Jimbo. Jimmy Sexton must love negotiating with our AD.

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How about backing up the truck for Elko while we're at it? Elko's money in the bank just like Jimbo.

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Pretty sure that is happening as well. A&M isn't ****ing around.

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I see this as a hugely positive move for A&M. After decades of half-assin' it on the football field, we've finally made a commitment to be great. To all those who say it's premature - maybe so, but sometimes you have to be ahead of the game to win.

absolutely no damn reason we cant wait til end of season- lets at least get 40% through the original!

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How about backing up the truck for Elko while we're at it? Elko's money in the bank just like Jimbo.

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Pretty sure that is happening as well. A&M isn't ****ing around.

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I see this as a hugely positive move for A&M. After decades of half-assin' it on the football field, we've finally made a commitment to be great. To all those who say it's premature - maybe so, but sometimes you have to be ahead of the game to win.

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Exactly.

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Jimbo Fisher has raised over $100 million in future facility commitments and even more in future 12th man pledges. This is an absolute bargain.

Coaches like Jimbo, Dabo, and Saban are never paid what they are truly worth to a university. They only get paid what it takes to keep them there. Saban is worth $25 million per year to Bama. Dabo around $20 million. Jimbo, at this point is worth very close to $20 million per year for us.

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This is spot on. Saban is the most underpaid coach in history.

Where are all the people crying about the end of football because Spiller got paid by Raising Cains?

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No choice but to make this move after sip tried to steal the thunder with their SEC admittance. This is a game of who is the best HC, and Jimbo is one of them.

You want to remain dominant as sip limps into the bigs and faces us annually? This is the way.

This is the best A&M has looked since the 90's and the level of recruiting is absolutely elite.

Do we have anything else we can throw at him?

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How about backing up the truck for Elko while we're at it? Elko's money in the bank just like Jimbo.

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Yes!! Absolutely make him the next Venables where he stays as DC for forever

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Not since vintage RC in the early 1990s have we had a coach like this. Remember the wilderness, Ags. CoachFran.com. 0-77.

Money well spent.

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Yea and RC went so great

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Do we need to review the early 90s?

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Let's do... Loss, loss, loss

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Lemme guess, you weren't alive then

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10-2, 12-1, 10-2, 10-0-1..finished each season ranked 12, 7, 9, and 8 respectively..Thinking the loss, loss, loss comment is in reference to three straight Cotton Bowl losseswhich makes one wonder if RC feasted on weak free regular season schedules.

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We haven't had a football coach hired away since Bear Bryant went home to mama. Color me skeptical that LSU was a real threat to hire away Jimbo. Jimmy Sexton must love negotiating with our AD.

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How often do P5 head coaches actually get hired away by other P5's? Bret Bielema from Wisconsin to Arkie is the first that came to mind, but not sure of many others. Usually they come from lower tier schools, or NFL (Saban, Harbaugh), or from a periodic aneurism/heart attack/ouch my back! (Urban Meyer).

All I do is Nguyen said:

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GigEmTx said:

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No choice but to make this move after sip tried to steal the thunder with their SEC admittance. This is a game of who is the best HC, and Jimbo is one of them.

You want to remain dominant as sip limps into the bigs and faces us annually? This is the way.

This is the best A&M has looked since the 90's and the level of recruiting is absolutely elite.

Do we have anything else we can throw at him?

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How about backing up the truck for Elko while we're at it? Elko's money in the bank just like Jimbo.

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Yes!! Absolutely make him the next Venables where he stays as DC for forever

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Naggana happen. Venables doesn't have certain top level HC qualities*. Elko does. He'll get his shot in the next year or 2 and that's OK. He's been great for the Ags.


*Venables still may get a HC job at some point because schools (even top schools) take chances but his ceiling is a DC with top level athletes imo.

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We haven't had a football coach hired away since Bear Bryant went home to mama. Color me skeptical that LSU was a real threat to hire away Jimbo. Jimmy Sexton must love negotiating with our AD.

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How often do P5 head coaches actually get hired away by other P5's? Bret Bielema from Wisconsin to Arkie is the first that came to mind, but not sure of many others. Usually they come from lower tier schools, or NFL (Saban, Harbaugh), or from a periodic aneurism/heart attack/ouch my back! (Urban Meyer).

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You just strengthened the argument against giving Jimbo the extension and raise with so many years left on his current contract. It's very rare for a well paid P5 coach to get hired away, so why did we feel the need to guarantee to pay him $90 million? I hope he succeeds, but this extension was unnecessary and exposes us to more risk.

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We haven't had a football coach hired away since Bear Bryant went home to mama. Color me skeptical that LSU was a real threat to hire away Jimbo. Jimmy Sexton must love negotiating with our AD.

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How often do P5 head coaches actually get hired away by other P5's? Bret Bielema from Wisconsin to Arkie is the first that came to mind, but not sure of many others. Usually they come from lower tier schools, or NFL (Saban, Harbaugh), or from a periodic aneurism/heart attack/ouch my back! (Urban Meyer).

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You just strengthened the argument against giving Jimbo the extension and raise with so many years left on his current contract. It's very rare for a well paid P5 coach to get hired away, so why did we feel the need to guarantee to pay him $90 million? I hope he succeeds, but this extension was unnecessary and exposes us to more risk.

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Why was it unnecessary? The raise is a drop in the bucket on top of the current salary, shows a commitment to him, revenue numbers will be through the roof for years to come, and more or less solidifies him as the generational coach of this era at A&M so long as he continues to recruit and win.

I'm failing to see the negatives

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Not since vintage RC in the early 1990s have we had a coach like this. Remember the wilderness, Ags. CoachFran.com. 0-77.

Money well spent.

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Yea and RC went so great

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Do we need to review the early 90s?

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Hate to rain on your parade but last championship A&M had was under Slocum. Fact is no one has gotten it done since. And he did it without all the facility upgrades we have now.

So, you want to poor boy it??
On the other hand, I love Jimbo & I just pray he also loves Aggieland.
We pay him because we appreciate & value him.
Why would we not be willing to give him a pay raise for succeeding.

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Not since vintage RC in the early 1990s have we had a coach like this. Remember the wilderness, Ags. CoachFran.com. 0-77.

Money well spent.

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Yea and RC went so great

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Do we need to review the early 90s?

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Let's do... Loss, loss, loss

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Hate to rain on your parade but last championship A&M had was under Slocum. Fact is no one has gotten it done since. And he did it without all the facility upgrades we have now.

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Hate to rain on your rainy parade but we're in this place now because of the old ball coach. He didn't keep up with a changing game and never did what was needed.

Nice guy but we don't pay for a good nice guy. We were blessed with manziel and other stellar talent to come to a declining program. Let's call it as it is and quit flirting with memories of the past being better

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I guess we're continuing the tradition of completely one-sided contracts that leave the athletic department exposed to huge buyouts if things don't work out. Hopefully Jimbo ends the tradition of making us regret doing so. I think Jimbo is a great coach, but his current contract pays him accordingly.

What is the motivation for this? Who are we scared is going to steal our $7.5 million/year coach?

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It's not necessarily about being scared of someone stealing your coach. It's about sending a message to recruits that no matter what's going on in CFB he's not going anywhere.

Jimbo isn't a flash in the pan with no real proven background like Fran and Summy. Recruits care more about guys who develop their skills and he has proven that over and over. Simply put, if you have X amount of revenue that can be made each year you invest X amount to the man directing the ship. The top recruits are now gonna get paid wherever they go and there's only a handful of coaches that are on a different level with proven development to next level, Jimbo is one of them currently.

It really sends a message to every big time recruit.
We are seriously committed to success.
Jimbo is our answer.
Come to C-Stat.

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We haven't had a football coach hired away since Bear Bryant went home to mama. Color me skeptical that LSU was a real threat to hire away Jimbo. Jimmy Sexton must love negotiating with our AD.

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How often do P5 head coaches actually get hired away by other P5's? Bret Bielema from Wisconsin to Arkie is the first that came to mind, but not sure of many others. Usually they come from lower tier schools, or NFL (Saban, Harbaugh), or from a periodic aneurism/heart attack/ouch my back! (Urban Meyer).

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You just strengthened the argument against giving Jimbo the extension and raise with so many years left on his current contract. It's very rare for a well paid P5 coach to get hired away, so why did we feel the need to guarantee to pay him $90 million? I hope he succeeds, but this extension was unnecessary and exposes us to more risk.

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Why was it unnecessary? The raise is a drop in the bucket on top of the current salary, shows a commitment to him, revenue numbers will be through the roof for years to come, and more or less solidifies him as the generational coach of this era at A&M so long as he continues to recruit and win.

I'm failing to see the negatives

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$37.5 million isn't a drop in the bucket in my book, but admittedly it's also not my money that's at risk. The negatives are clearly stated in the bold portion of your comment. I hope he does continue to recruit and win, and I think there is a decent chance he will. But the odds of doing so aren't really increased by guaranteeing him another $37.5 million.

yeesh, this is the same mistake A&M made with Fran and Sumlin.

overreacted to one season

If we lose to Bama every year for the next ten years will you people still think it was a good deal?

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It's not necessarily about being scared of someone stealing your coach. It's about sending a message to recruits that no matter what's going on in CFB he's not going anywhere.

Jimbo isn't a flash in the pan with no real proven background like Fran and Summy. Recruits care more about guys who develop their skills and he has proven that over and over. Simply put, if you have X amount of revenue that can be made each year you invest X amount to the man directing the ship. The top recruits are now gonna get paid wherever they go and there's only a handful of coaches that are on a different level with proven development to next level, Jimbo is one of them currently.

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I don't think recruits were too worried about the guy with 7 years and $52.5 million guaranteed on his contract going anywhere. And you're right - there are X amount of dollars to spend. I'm guessing with the new NIL rules, recruits would be more enticed by getting a piece of that extra $37.5 we just paid to the coach instead of them.

Bunk Moreland said:

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We haven't had a football coach hired away since Bear Bryant went home to mama. Color me skeptical that LSU was a real threat to hire away Jimbo. Jimmy Sexton must love negotiating with our AD.

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How often do P5 head coaches actually get hired away by other P5's? Bret Bielema from Wisconsin to Arkie is the first that came to mind, but not sure of many others. Usually they come from lower tier schools, or NFL (Saban, Harbaugh), or from a periodic aneurism/heart attack/ouch my back! (Urban Meyer).

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You just strengthened the argument against giving Jimbo the extension and raise with so many years left on his current contract. It's very rare for a well paid P5 coach to get hired away, so why did we feel the need to guarantee to pay him $90 million? I hope he succeeds, but this extension was unnecessary and exposes us to more risk.

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Why was it unnecessary? The raise is a drop in the bucket on top of the current salary, shows a commitment to him, revenue numbers will be through the roof for years to come, and more or less solidifies him as the generational coach of this era at A&M so long as he continues to recruit and win.

I'm failing to see the negatives

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What's Plan B? Answer seems to be we're back in the wilderness but at least we're not paying big money to a coach

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It's not necessarily about being scared of someone stealing your coach. It's about sending a message to recruits that no matter what's going on in CFB he's not going anywhere.

Jimbo isn't a flash in the pan with no real proven background like Fran and Summy. Recruits care more about guys who develop their skills and he has proven that over and over. Simply put, if you have X amount of revenue that can be made each year you invest X amount to the man directing the ship. The top recruits are now gonna get paid wherever they go and there's only a handful of coaches that are on a different level with proven development to next level, Jimbo is one of them currently.

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I don't think recruits were too worried about the guy with 7 years and $52.5 million guaranteed on his contract going anywhere. And you're right - there are X amount of dollars to spend. I'm guessing with the new NIL rules, recruits would be more enticed by getting a piece of that extra $37.5 we just paid to the coach instead of them.

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The money being paid to the recruits and the coaches are two different revenue sources my friend. No big money sponsor/company is paying money to a recruit that's not playing playing in front of 100k each week or in the biggest games. You have to pay the man that keeps you in the spotlight long term or the money isn't coming to the players therefore they're going elsewhere. Jimbo not getting renewed after Saban did and TU's move could spin bs media spin that Jimbo might not be here long term to recruits. Especially with all the recent coaching changes in the SEC. This program is showing stability and can match any amount to a coach. The cost of doing it far outweighs the possible cost of not.

Since 2011 Texas A&M is controlling its own narrative for the first time in a long ass time and staying ahead of the curve. And we should all be thankful for that.

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Not since vintage RC in the early 1990s have we had a coach like this. Remember the wilderness, Ags. CoachFran.com. 0-77.

Money well spent.

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Yea and RC went so great

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Do we need to review the early 90s?

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Let's do... Loss, loss, loss

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Hate to rain on your parade but last championship A&M had was under Slocum. Fact is no one has gotten it done since. And he did it without all the facility upgrades we have now.

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Hate to rain on your rainy parade but we're in this place now because of the old ball coach. He didn't keep up with a changing game and never did what was needed.

Nice guy but we don't pay for a good nice guy. We were blessed with manziel and other stellar talent to come to a declining program. Let's call it as it is and quit flirting with memories of the past being better

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We had talent during RC's era too. Not Manziel-level but we were putting people in the NFL on the reg in the early 90s. He never had a losing season. We sure as hell weren't getting beat 0-77 or giving up huge leads. Not sure how you lay a 20 year championship drought at the feet of the winningest coach in program history instead of all those that came after him. Good luck selling that bull*****

Call it like it is? Yeah. I just did that. Last championship was won by RC. That's the fact. Hiring Jimbo might be great for our program and might result in championship seasons again but that remains to be seen.

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Not since vintage RC in the early 1990s have we had a coach like this. Remember the wilderness, Ags. CoachFran.com. 0-77.

Money well spent.

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Yea and RC went so great

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Do we need to review the early 90s?

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Let's do... Loss, loss, loss

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Hate to rain on your parade but last championship A&M had was under Slocum. Fact is no one has gotten it done since. And he did it without all the facility upgrades we have now.

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Hate to rain on your rainy parade but we're in this place now because of the old ball coach. He didn't keep up with a changing game and never did what was needed.

Nice guy but we don't pay for a good nice guy. We were blessed with manziel and other stellar talent to come to a declining program. Let's call it as it is and quit flirting with memories of the past being better

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We had talent during RC's era too. Not Manziel-level but we were putting people in the NFL on the reg in the early 90s. He never had a losing season. We sure as hell weren't getting beat 0-77 or giving up huge leads. Not sure how you lay a 20 year championship drought at the feet of the winningest coach in program history instead of all those that came after him. Good luck selling that bull*****

Call it like it is? Yeah. I just did that. Last championship was won by RC. That's the fact. Hiring Jimbo might be great for our program and might result in championship seasons again but that remains to be seen.

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Where's the championship now? That's the question if you're trying to compare

That look on the nation's face when Jimbo soon becomes the first and only former Saban assistant to beat him after what, 20 or 21 attempts? Then, will it have been worth it?

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That look on the nation's face when Jimbo soon becomes the first and only former Saban assistant to beat him after what, 20 or 21 attempts? Then, will it have been worth it?

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This is a great point. In the Twitter era, it sure would be "catchy" to point out that Fisher did what no other former Asst, Coach under Saban has failed to do and beat him. Proving that Saban is mortal is key to making the next step up both internally and in the eyes of future recruits.

I also have wishes about what BMAs should do with their money...

But wisdom would be sitting on a Jimbo extension until there's reason to act. That's the beauty of a 10 year deal - you don't have to revisit it for 7 years.

The NIL stuff is likely the biggest game changer. If Jimbo is given a blank checkbook for recruiting, he'll have a good time of things and the mutual benefit of him staying can grow without begging him to stay with unforced extensions like some insecure butterface.

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Not since vintage RC in the early 1990s have we had a coach like this. Remember the wilderness, Ags. CoachFran.com. 0-77.

Money well spent.

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Yea and RC went so great

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Do we need to review the early 90s?

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Let's do... Loss, loss, loss

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Hate to rain on your parade but last championship A&M had was under Slocum. Fact is no one has gotten it done since. And he did it without all the facility upgrades we have now.

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Yep.. I remember working out in the gym across from Kyle where players worked out (one of the gyms) and it was atrocious - LOL.

Deware Field House

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yeesh, this is the same mistake A&M made with Fran and Sumlin.

overreacted to one season

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In this case it is the best season we've had in decades. Best final result since 1939. If that isn't time to pay the man, what is?

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yeesh, this is the same mistake A&M made with Fran and Sumlin.

overreacted to one season

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In this case it is the best season we've had in decades. Best final result since 1939. If that isn't time to pay the man, what is?

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...I dunno... maybe when theres a reason to do it other than the coach performing to expectation at 1/3 of their tenure?!

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yeesh, this is the same mistake A&M made with Fran and Sumlin.

overreacted to one season

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In this case it is the best season we've had in decades. Best final result since 1939. If that isn't time to pay the man, what is?

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...I dunno... maybe when theres a reason to do it other than the coach performing to expectation at 1/3 of their tenure?!

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...I dunno as well...maybe when he wins one of the national championships we told him he had to win...or wait, I've got it: at least win an SEC championship...