So is Jimbo gettin another raise?

?????

I am not sold that Jimbo is the long term answer but for some reason he has 10 years left on his contract so plenty more time to make a conclusion based on real performance data. I do know Jimbo has been a great change agent for the entire program and has put together an elite recruiting staff. Credit given.

Still unproven IMO if Fisher can produce winning results year after year without a truly special QB like jameis winston.

Also not quite clear how good his staff is at developing NFL talent that we see being drafted in the 2nd and 1st rounds (look at Bama and Clemson year after year). This has been a HUGE downfall of t.u. Great recruits....no development of the talent. Luckily, Jimbo has already proven he is better than the t.u. standard!! Lol.

He talks about maintaining a high standard. Well, so far, I have yet to see this philosophy become reality. Yes, it is still a bit early to determine this. I figure after Year 6 we will know what we fundamentally have in Jimbo Fisher. I sure hope and will continue to trust in his "process" but unlike Bjork and Looch I am not going to crown Fisher as the next messiah. Why? He needs to prove it with a team consistently getting 10 wins a season....every season with little to no drop off in the product we see in the field. We anointed Sumlin after 2012 and sure as hell hope that Fisher is completely different in the long run. And we certainly didn't hire Fisher to go 8-4 or less in Year 4. Yes, **** happens but I do not use that as an excuse when paying a guy $90M to bring us a Natty. Again, he needs a few more years to prove this to us by building and developing the talent as a elite level. Day in, Day out. Year in, Year out.

I do believe Jimbo was a bit unprepared this year for the injury bug. This is disappointing. I hope he learns from it and also shows more flexibility in his offensive in the future. We not only need a coach with great leadership skills but we need a coach willing to adapt over time. Nick Saban is the perfect example of this. Jimbo, you listening?

Ooh, some hot takes here. Haven't heard this before, and didn't realize Jimbo is worse than Sumlin, culture and all.

Next time y'all go cliff diving invite me, it sounds fun.

Am I doing this right?

DTuba said:

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Ooh, some hot takes here. Haven't heard this before, and didn't realize Jimbo is worse than Sumlin, culture and all.

Next time y'all go cliff diving invite me, it sounds fun.

Am I doing this right?

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Is your hair on fire? Setting yourself ablaze before running around screaming the sky is falling seems to be a prerequisite around these parts.

Rendered Fat said:

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In year 4, he has the EXACT same record as Sumlin had and is regressing. What is this "change" that you speak of?

It is EXACTLY as its always been. Only much, much, much more expensive.

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This. It's year four in the Fisher era and many schools fire coaches after year four of mediocrity.

Tom Herman at Texas inherited a train wreck of a program from Charlie Strong. Herman went 7-3 in year four and was 32-18 overall with four bowl wins. Not great but not terrible by any stretch. Definitely an improvement over Strong's 16-21 record with two missed bowls and a bowl loss.

Yet Herman still got canned after year four because 7-3 wasn't good enough at that point in time even though the team was markedly better than his predecessor.

Fisher is in year four and the squad is putting out similar results to Sumlin who was canned for medicrity.

I expect to at least see some improvement in year four over what Sumlin was putting out there. Especially at the price being paid.

That's silly. We're coming off the best year this school has had in 81 years. We've beaten LSU 2 years out of 3, including the game of the year on college football, the 7 OT win that will never be matched again because the NCAA had to change football rules because of us (in a good way).

Jimbo should have been better prepared with backup QB should it have been needed, but apart from the injuries this year and the resultant shuffling of players, the program's moving in the right direction. This talk of letting Jimbo go is nothing but moment-stricken panicked talk. Take a deep breath. Things will sort out and we'll be back near the top soon. Don't become the next Tennessee coaching shuffle.

I don't disagree with your overall point, but Tom Herman also got fired because he was a weird dude that had annoyed the alumni base - primarily by not winning enough, but also being an odd duck off the field. Kissing players, flipping off ESPN cameras on signing day, etc.

GigEmTx said:

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That's silly. We're coming off the best year this school has had in 81 years. We've beaten LSU 2 years out of 3, including the game of the year on college football, the 7 OT win that will never be matched again because the NCAA had to change football rules because of us (in a good way).

Jimbo should have been better prepared with backup QB should it have been needed, but apart from the injuries this year and the resultant shuffling of players, the program's moving in the right direction. This talk of letting Jimbo go is nothing but moment-stricken panicked talk. Take a deep breath. Things will sort out and we'll be back near the top soon. Don't become the next Tennessee coaching shuffle.

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Good points and I see where you're coming from but Texas fans said the same thing after beating UGA in the Sugar Bowl a few years back.

Remember all the "We're back!" nonsense after that?

If the issue was only losing to Bama and Georgia every year, I can understand. But a bad Miss State team? Arkansas? In year four?

Forgive me if I'm a glass half empty type when it comes to A&M football.

zafzo said:

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GigEmTx said:

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That's silly. We're coming off the best year this school has had in 81 years. We've beaten LSU 2 years out of 3, including the game of the year on college football, the 7 OT win that will never be matched again because the NCAA had to change football rules because of us (in a good way).

Jimbo should have been better prepared with backup QB should it have been needed, but apart from the injuries this year and the resultant shuffling of players, the program's moving in the right direction. This talk of letting Jimbo go is nothing but moment-stricken panicked talk. Take a deep breath. Things will sort out and we'll be back near the top soon. Don't become the next Tennessee coaching shuffle.

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Good points and I see where you're coming from but Texas fans said the same thing after beating UGA in the Sugar Bowl a few years back.

Remember all the "We're back!" nonsense after that?

If the issue was only losing to Bama and Georgia every year, I can understand. But a bad Miss State team? Arkansas? In year four?

Forgive me if I'm a glass half empty type when it comes to A&M football.

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Talking about letting someone go that we owe nearly 100 million is not even plausible. Not sure why it would even come up.

don't worry, just relax......
what are you talking about, we're fine.....
we'll be back near the top soon.....
we're headed in the right direction.....
it's only year four.....

you people belong here at this site for halloween, since you are like the idiot sheriff/cop/policeman during a horror flick who says, the above lines just when he needs to believe the reality of the matter and pull his service revolver to get ready to fight the monster.......instead you sit back and watch the slaughter repeat itself again and again on script.

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zafzo said:

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GigEmTx said:

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That's silly. We're coming off the best year this school has had in 81 years. We've beaten LSU 2 years out of 3, including the game of the year on college football, the 7 OT win that will never be matched again because the NCAA had to change football rules because of us (in a good way).

Jimbo should have been better prepared with backup QB should it have been needed, but apart from the injuries this year and the resultant shuffling of players, the program's moving in the right direction. This talk of letting Jimbo go is nothing but moment-stricken panicked talk. Take a deep breath. Things will sort out and we'll be back near the top soon. Don't become the next Tennessee coaching shuffle.

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Good points and I see where you're coming from but Texas fans said the same thing after beating UGA in the Sugar Bowl a few years back.

Remember all the "We're back!" nonsense after that?

If the issue was only losing to Bama and Georgia every year, I can understand. But a bad Miss State team? Arkansas? In year four?

Forgive me if I'm a glass half empty type when it comes to A&M football.

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Talking about letting someone go that we owe nearly 100 million is not even plausible. Not sure why it would even come up.

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Completely agree. I just want to complain. This is the zoo, is it not?

Aston 91 said:

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I don't disagree with your overall point, but Tom Herman also got fired because he was a weird dude that had annoyed the alumni base - primarily by not winning enough, but also being an odd duck off the field. Kissing players, flipping off ESPN cameras on signing day, etc.

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Herman was hated inside building. Lost recruiting momentum. I am very very disappointed in Jimbo and unless we win out, this season will be a bummer. But he is light years ahead of Herman. Still recruiting great. Will finish with top 10 classes for 3 straight years.

No reason to extend him but we are led by morons. Same morons who embarrass us regularly with blank national championship plaques and retro claimed NCs from leather helmet era.

We have won exactly one NC.

The question is can jumbo lead us to number 2

zafzo said:

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Completely agree. I just want to complain. This is the zoo, is it not?

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I get complaining. It's frustrating to see the team struggling to beat less talented MSU and Arky teams in games that we could have won with even mildly below average QB play. Injuries are killing us this year, but it doesn't seem to be strength and conditioning because this year is an outlier. Jimbo's had the team playing tougher than they did with Sumlin, though, and we have a good pipeline of outstanding QB recruits coming in starting this coming January, so that problem's already fixing itself. We're not there yet, but we're getting there.

SBDavis87 said:

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don't worry, just relax......
what are you talking about, we're fine.....
we'll be back near the top soon.....
we're headed in the right direction.....
it's only year four.....

you people belong here at this site for halloween, since you are like the idiot sheriff/cop/policeman during a horror flick who says, the above lines just when he needs to believe the reality of the matter and pull his service revolver to get ready to fight the monster.......instead you sit back and watch the slaughter repeat itself again and again on script.

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There is no fan base in college football with more sunshine pumpers than at good ole A&M. And it starts at the top.

One good year and suddenly Jimbo is god, #WRTS, etc. etc.
We beat UNC in a bowl game?? Let's extend the HC's contract another decade!!

The jokes write themselves.

SBDavis87 said:

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don't worry, just relax......
what are you talking about, we're fine.....
we'll be back near the top soon.....
we're headed in the right direction.....
it's only year four.....

you people belong here at this site for halloween, since you are like the idiot sheriff/cop/policeman during a horror flick who says, the above lines just when he needs to believe the reality of the matter and pull his service revolver to get ready to fight the monster.......instead you sit back and watch the slaughter repeat itself again and again on script.

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Haha. To continue your analogy,

"We suck, we need a new coach"
"Jimbo sucks, if he can't beat Bama, fire him!"
We obviously haven't made progress with Jimbo"
"Things are just like they used to be"

You people belong here on this site for halloween, since you are like the idiot high school girl in the horror flick who panics and runs out of the safety of the police dept into the parking lot and promptly gets slaughtered. One bad year and you're the panicked little girl. What's with you guys?

Z Team said:

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Jimbo has this team more focused and with greater talent than I've ever seen. He took a huge jump forward in the number of elite players we had in on visits. He is flipping players away from Georgia and LSU with a good possibility of of flipping players from bama and tu. Our defense is going to be elite with one of the best dc's in the country.
I believe tu and OU playing a Jimbo led championship caliber team will end up helping propel us forward even more as the dominant team in the region.

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If anyone doesn't believe this....then get a dog?

LOL

This is a speed bump. Jimbo has it rolling.

dcg4403 said:

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I am not sold that Jimbo is the long term answer but for some reason he has 10 years left on his contract so plenty more time to make a conclusion based on real performance data. I do know Jimbo has been a great change agent for the entire program and has put together an elite recruiting staff. Credit given.

Still unproven IMO if Fisher can produce winning results year after year without a truly special QB like jameis winston.

Also not quite clear how good his staff is at developing NFL talent that we see being drafted in the 2nd and 1st rounds (look at Bama and Clemson year after year). This has been a HUGE downfall of t.u. Great recruits....no development of the talent. Luckily, Jimbo has already proven he is better than the t.u. standard!! Lol.

He talks about maintaining a high standard. Well, so far, I have yet to see this philosophy become reality. Yes, it is still a bit early to determine this. I figure after Year 6 we will know what we fundamentally have in Jimbo Fisher. I sure hope and will continue to trust in his "process" but unlike Bjork and Looch I am not going to crown Fisher as the next messiah. Why? He needs to prove it with a team consistently getting 10 wins a season....every season with little to no drop off in the product we see in the field. We anointed Sumlin after 2012 and sure as hell hope that Fisher is completely different in the long run. And we certainly didn't hire Fisher to go 8-4 or less in Year 4. Yes, **** happens but I do not use that as an excuse when paying a guy $90M to bring us a Natty. Again, he needs a few more years to prove this to us by building and developing the talent as a elite level. Day in, Day out. Year in, Year out.

I do believe Jimbo was a bit unprepared this year for the injury bug. This is disappointing. I hope he learns from it and also shows more flexibility in his offensive in the future. We not only need a coach with great leadership skills but we need a coach willing to adapt over time. Nick Saban is the perfect example of this. Jimbo, you listening?

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I think this is a little far fetched. Jimbo had a great record at FSU without Jameis too. Multiple 10 win seasons etc. But to win a national championship without an elite QB is something that doesn't happen often. I can't hate on a guy for not winning 11 games consistently without a special QB. However, it is up to him to go find that special QB... It takes time to develop depth at all positions in a program that had little to no depth when he took over.. People hate it since its year 4 "and he has all his guys" which is true, but there is no depth because that takes years and years of recruiting classes. Take UGA for example.. they have been recruiting at a high high level for YEARS and have just started to see the depth not be an issue anymore.

We will have 3-4 first round draft picks this season which all come from Jimbo's first full recruiting class....

I do agree to an extent with this statement. Saban has adapted his offense. I don't necessarily think Jimbo's system is broken and a serviceable QB can run it to a 9-10 win season (Mond last year), but we need that progression to be faster. We need first year QB's to be winning 9-10 games, not struggling because the offense is to "complicated" and having to wait 3-4 years for a QB to fully understand to then win 10 games.. And this is all speculation but I believe Haynes would have won 9 games this season with a healthy OL.

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I agree that nobody is checking in on us to see how we look like how teams are checking to see how Bama's qb signed huge NIL deals, how good JT Barrett is at UGA, or how Clemson will reload after losing a lot of great players, but I think that's just because you have to stay at the top for a few years before we get THAT kind of attention.

UNC and ISU emerged at a really high level in the last year with us, and the only talk about them is in regard to their QBs who are supposed to be top picks. I think we just have to sustain this for another year, but I agree we aren't getting a lot of attention, and people don't expect us to stay.

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I agree with you here..

Dabo took 7 or 8 years to be a consistent winner -- it takes time to build it. Just because we pay high, doesnt meant it is immediate success.. There are ups and downs, but the trajectory is definitely up

GigEmTx said:

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SBDavis87 said:

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don't worry, just relax......
what are you talking about, we're fine.....
we'll be back near the top soon.....
we're headed in the right direction.....
it's only year four.....

you people belong here at this site for halloween, since you are like the idiot sheriff/cop/policeman during a horror flick who says, the above lines just when he needs to believe the reality of the matter and pull his service revolver to get ready to fight the monster.......instead you sit back and watch the slaughter repeat itself again and again on script.

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Haha. To continue your analogy,

"We suck, we need a new coach"
"Jimbo sucks, if he can't beat Bama, fire him!"
We obviously haven't made progress with Jimbo"
"Things are just like they used to be"

You people belong here on this site for halloween, since you are like the idiot high school girl in the horror flick who panics and runs out of the safety of the police dept into the parking lot and promptly gets slaughtered. One bad year and you're the panicked little girl. What's with you guys?

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haha,
The problem is that this isn't a movie. I tried to reach out to the delusional with a seasonal analogy.
Good 'ole Jimbo isn't going to compete for the SEC West for the next several years unless he changes his offensive strategy or Weigman is the second coming of Johnny.
Is our defense Wrecking Crew quality? NO
Will it be soon? No one really knows but let's assume that it is.
We had a wrecking crew level of defense last year if you listen to the "faithful" (whatever that means) and Alabama destroyed us with Kellen Mond and a WC level defense.....
What does that mean?
It means absent an absolute miracle or a shutting down of the world due to the sensationalism of some common ancient issue, Jimbo will make lots of money and won't win a championship until the actuary tables say that I've been in the ground for 30 years.....and I'm only 57.

Rendered Fat said:

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In year 4, he has the EXACT same record as Sumlin had and is regressing. What is this "change" that you speak of?

It is EXACTLY as its always been. Only much, much, much more expensive.

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Compare SEC records, bowl wins and non-conference teams played. Jimbo has more SEC wins in 3 years than Sumlin had in six seasons.

DimebagsGhost said:

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Alpha Texan said:

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I agree that nobody is checking in on us to see how we look like how teams are checking to see how Bama's qb signed huge NIL deals, how good JT Barrett is at UGA, or how Clemson will reload after losing a lot of great players, but I think that's just because you have to stay at the top for a few years before we get THAT kind of attention.

UNC and ISU emerged at a really high level in the last year with us, and the only talk about them is in regard to their QBs who are supposed to be top picks. I think we just have to sustain this for another year, but I agree we aren't getting a lot of attention, and people don't expect us to stay.

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I agree with you here..

Dabo took 7 or 8 years to be a consistent winner -- it takes time to build it. Just because we pay high, doesnt meant it is immediate success.. There are ups and downs, but the trajectory is definitely up

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And will be here too. Most challenging thing to being somewhere for so long is keeping momentum in recruiting. Is why most schools make a change more than just not thinking a coach will work. The shiny and new wears off and they need a recruiting boost. Jimbo going to have to do that another way, and it's more challenging to recruit here than it is at a place with lots of trophies on the shelves.

Rendered Fat said:

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In year 4, he has the EXACT same record as Sumlin had and is regressing. What is this "change" that you speak of?

It is EXACTLY as its always been. Only much, much, much more expensive.

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"Same as it ever was"

I am disappointed that Jimbo Fisher and the coaching staff were unprepared for a combination of inexperience and injuries to Haynes King and center Luke Matthews, but he is still the right coach for the long haul. Even after losing back to back winnable games against Arkansas and Mississippi State, Jimbo Fisher has already had more success than Kevin Sumlin.

1. After Kevin Sumlin went 6-2 in SEC games in his first season, he never posted another winning SEC record, not even with Johnny Manziel in 2013. Jimbo Fisher has already posted two winning SEC records (5-3 in 2018 and 8-1 in 2020) in his first 3 years.

2. Sumlin went just 8-14 in SEC home games. Even worse, he went 3-12 in home games against SEC West teams, including a 7-game losing streak at the end of his tenure. Jimbo has won more SEC games at Kyle Field in 3 years than Sumlin did in 6 years. Jimbo is 9-3 in SEC home games, including 5-3 against SEC West teams. In Jimbo's first year, we defeated Ole Miss 38-24 on 11/10/18 to end a drought of 1134 days without beating an SEC West team at Kyle Field.

3. Sumlin never beat LSU, but Jimbo is 2-0 in home games against LSU.

4. Since NY6 bowls started in 2014, Sumlin has not led us to a NY6 bowl. Jimbo led us to an Orange Bowl win last season for our highest ranking in 81 years.

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I am disappointed that Jimbo Fisher and the coaching staff were unprepared for a combination of inexperience and injuries to Haynes King and center Luke Matthews, but he is still the right coach for the long haul. Even after losing back to back winnable games against Arkansas and Mississippi State, Jimbo Fisher has already had more success than Kevin Sumlin.

1. After Kevin Sumlin went 6-2 in SEC games in his first season, he never posted another winning SEC record, not even with Johnny Manziel in 2013. Jimbo Fisher has already posted two winning SEC records (5-3 in 2018 and 8-1 in 2020) in his first 3 years.

2. Sumlin went just 8-14 in SEC home games. Even worse, he went 3-12 in home games against SEC West teams, including a 7-game losing streak at the end of his tenure. Jimbo has won more SEC games at Kyle Field in 3 years than Sumlin did in 6 years. Jimbo is 9-3 in SEC home games, including 5-3 against SEC West teams. In Jimbo's first year, we defeated Ole Miss 38-24 on 11/10/18 to end a drought of 1134 days without beating an SEC West team at Kyle Field.

3. Sumlin never beat LSU, but Jimbo is 2-0 in home games against LSU.

4. Since NY6 bowls started in 2014, Sumlin has not led us to a NY6 bowl. Jimbo led us to an Orange Bowl win last season for our highest ranking in 81 years.

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No comparing the two honestly. One has proven he can win a NC. But, wasn't the OU game that we whipped their ass with Johnny a NY6 bowl?

I just noticed the year you put next to it. Lol

Lol

rjkiv04 said:

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Iraq2xVeteran said:

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I am disappointed that Jimbo Fisher and the coaching staff were unprepared for a combination of inexperience and injuries to Haynes King and center Luke Matthews, but he is still the right coach for the long haul. Even after losing back to back winnable games against Arkansas and Mississippi State, Jimbo Fisher has already had more success than Kevin Sumlin.

1. After Kevin Sumlin went 6-2 in SEC games in his first season, he never posted another winning SEC record, not even with Johnny Manziel in 2013. Jimbo Fisher has already posted two winning SEC records (5-3 in 2018 and 8-1 in 2020) in his first 3 years.

2. Sumlin went just 8-14 in SEC home games. Even worse, he went 3-12 in home games against SEC West teams, including a 7-game losing streak at the end of his tenure. Jimbo has won more SEC games at Kyle Field in 3 years than Sumlin did in 6 years. Jimbo is 9-3 in SEC home games, including 5-3 against SEC West teams. In Jimbo's first year, we defeated Ole Miss 38-24 on 11/10/18 to end a drought of 1134 days without beating an SEC West team at Kyle Field.

3. Sumlin never beat LSU, but Jimbo is 2-0 in home games against LSU.

4. Since NY6 bowls started in 2014, Sumlin has not led us to a NY6 bowl. Jimbo led us to an Orange Bowl win last season for our highest ranking in 81 years.

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No comparing the two honestly. One has proven he can win a NC. But, wasn't the OU game that we whipped their ass with Johnny a NY6 bowl?

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The Cotton Bowl was the most prestigious bowl that Kevin Sumlin led us to, but it wasn't a major bowl at the time we played Oklahoma. From 1995 to 2013, the BCS bowls were the Fiesta, Orange Rose, and Sugar bowls. Since 2014, the Cotton Bowl and the Peach Bowl have been among the CFP/NY6 bowls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_Bowl_Classic

Iraq2xVeteran said:

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rjkiv04 said:

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Iraq2xVeteran said:

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I am disappointed that Jimbo Fisher and the coaching staff were unprepared for a combination of inexperience and injuries to Haynes King and center Luke Matthews, but he is still the right coach for the long haul. Even after losing back to back winnable games against Arkansas and Mississippi State, Jimbo Fisher has already had more success than Kevin Sumlin.

1. After Kevin Sumlin went 6-2 in SEC games in his first season, he never posted another winning SEC record, not even with Johnny Manziel in 2013. Jimbo Fisher has already posted two winning SEC records (5-3 in 2018 and 8-1 in 2020) in his first 3 years.

2. Sumlin went just 8-14 in SEC home games. Even worse, he went 3-12 in home games against SEC West teams, including a 7-game losing streak at the end of his tenure. Jimbo has won more SEC games at Kyle Field in 3 years than Sumlin did in 6 years. Jimbo is 9-3 in SEC home games, including 5-3 against SEC West teams. In Jimbo's first year, we defeated Ole Miss 38-24 on 11/10/18 to end a drought of 1134 days without beating an SEC West team at Kyle Field.

3. Sumlin never beat LSU, but Jimbo is 2-0 in home games against LSU.

4. Since NY6 bowls started in 2014, Sumlin has not led us to a NY6 bowl. Jimbo led us to an Orange Bowl win last season for our highest ranking in 81 years.

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No comparing the two honestly. One has proven he can win a NC. But, wasn't the OU game that we whipped their ass with Johnny a NY6 bowl?

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The Cotton Bowl was the most prestigious bowl that Kevin Sumlin led us to, but it wasn't a major bowl at the time we played Oklahoma. From 1995 to 2013, the BCS bowls were the Fiesta, Orange Rose, and Sugar bowls. Since 2014, the Cotton Bowl and the Peach Bowl have been among the CFP/NY6 bowls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_Bowl_Classic

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I know the difference, just have forgotten about them after the newer every year now. Still loved that game. Orange maybe more prestigious, but beating OU like that was way more rewarding. They all thought we were headed to the SEC to be a dog that year.

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Alpha Texan said:

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I agree that nobody is checking in on us to see how we look like how teams are checking to see how Bama's qb signed huge NIL deals, how good JT Barrett is at UGA, or how Clemson will reload after losing a lot of great players, but I think that's just because you have to stay at the top for a few years before we get THAT kind of attention.

UNC and ISU emerged at a really high level in the last year with us, and the only talk about them is in regard to their QBs who are supposed to be top picks. I think we just have to sustain this for another year, but I agree we aren't getting a lot of attention, and people don't expect us to stay.

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I agree with you here..

Dabo took 7 or 8 years to be a consistent winner -- it takes time to build it. Just because we pay high, doesnt meant it is immediate success.. There are ups and downs, but the trajectory is definitely up

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Excellent point, despite a down year that has spiraled due to injury, we are still on our way up.


With the Dabo reference, are you patient enough to wait 7-8 years before writing this off as a failed venture? On one hand, we have a better foundation for an elite program and have SEC recruiting to help us get to those 11+ win seasons sooner. On the other hand, we actually play a real schedule every year, so it's way harder to get to 11. We can all say that Clemson outright earned their 2 natties in the playoff, but with some of their eek-by wins in the 16 and 18 regular seasons, including at Kyle, I have no reason to believe they would have done any better than 10-2.

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I think this is a little far fetched. Jimbo had a great record at FSU without Jameis too. Multiple 10 win seasons etc. But to win a national championship without an elite QB is something that doesn't happen often. I can't hate on a guy for not winning 11 games consistently without a special QB. However, it is up to him to go find that special QB... It takes time to develop depth at all positions in a program that had little to no depth when he took over.. People hate it since its year 4 "and he has all his guys" which is true, but there is no depth because that takes years and years of recruiting classes. Take UGA for example.. they have been recruiting at a high high level for YEARS and have just started to see the depth not be an issue anymore.

We will have 3-4 first round draft picks this season which all come from Jimbo's first full recruiting class....

I do agree to an extent with this statement. Saban has adapted his offense. I don't necessarily think Jimbo's system is broken and a serviceable QB can run it to a 9-10 win season (Mond last year), but we need that progression to be faster. We need first year QB's to be winning 9-10 games, not struggling because the offense is to "complicated" and having to wait 3-4 years for a QB to fully understand to then win 10 games.. And this is all speculation but I believe Haynes would have won 9 games this season with a healthy OL.

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Good points, especially regarding GA and Kirby. I certainly do think Jimbo is one of the better coaches out there. Top 10 coach for sure.

But I have to question him based on the horror of 2021 so far. I expect him to get things back on track and finish strong. If not, our recruiting could take a major hit and our momentum into next year.

What is really my concern is Fisher as the player caller. I forecast that Dickey gets fired after next year as the escape goat. Fisher just seems to want to force his offense on a team that is clearly not prepared to execute against it.

I sure as hell hope I am 110% wrong. And I will continue to cheer like hell for our school, program and players regardless. Just voicing my strong opinions as a fanatic!!

You guys are too much. How was Jimbo supposed to know he would lose his starting QB and center to season ending injuries? He gets a pass for this season for sure.

dcg4403 said:

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I am not sold that Jimbo is the long term answer but for some reason he has 10 years left on his contract so plenty more time to make a conclusion based on real performance data.

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lol