91AggieLawyer said:

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Dr Lane Trowlan said:

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slyfox07 said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Zero games are must win during the first 7 years of a 10 year 75 mil guaranteed contract

Just try to enjoy watching the rebuild...

We're probably still 2-3 years away from competing for anything worthwhile

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What kind of rebuild takes 6 years?

That doesn't make any sense.

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Dabo at Clemson
Year 4: First year with double digit wins
Year 8: First Championship

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Clemson was in FAR worse shape in 2008 than A&M was in 2018. 5 fewer wins in the previous 6 years against much weaker competition. Bowden, in the previous 6 years before he left Clemson, beat 2 10-win teams. Hell, he only played 11 during that stretch! Sumlin beat 2 10-win teams his first freakin' year! 2 more the next year. After that, it got a little thin, but he played 17 total. I'm no Sumlin fan -- wanted him out earlier than most on here because I saw he had no commitment to defense. But he recruited fairly well and left the program in much better shape than Bowden left Clemson.

The Dabo comparison, as has been pointed out on here, is just misplaced at best and totally bogus at worst.

The problem with Jimbo is not the time but the question: what is he doing to make us better? And the question: what is he doing or not doing that is keeping us from getting better? I'm far more afraid of the answers to those questions than I am about the answer to "how long do we give him."

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Counselor: I believe your argument is referred to as "pounding the table."

Dr Lane Trowlan said:

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slyfox07 said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Zero games are must win during the first 7 years of a 10 year 75 mil guaranteed contract

Just try to enjoy watching the rebuild...

We're probably still 2-3 years away from competing for anything worthwhile

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What kind of rebuild takes 6 years?

That doesn't make any sense.

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Dabo at Clemson
Year 4: First year with double digit wins
Year 8: First Championship

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So, A&M has one more year for double diget wins?!!

Year 3: time to win a game or two vs top ten teams

AggieDub14 said:

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Completely unrealistic. Jimbo didn't inherit much in terms of culture and team dynamic. We are still recovering from QB debacle of 2015 (see Kellen Mond being the best we can do). It's gonna take time. That's why we gave Jimbo 10 years. Also COVID is a thing and this can't be treated like a normal year.

We aren't winning this game Saturday. I hope I'm wrong about that. But I'll be watching and cheering on the Ags because it's the only thing I know how to do on CFB Saturday.

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We gave Jimbo 10 years because he wouldn't have signed the contract w/o the massive guarantee.

TexAggie1999 said:

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AggieDub14 said:

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Completely unrealistic. Jimbo didn't inherit much in terms of culture and team dynamic. We are still recovering from QB debacle of 2015 (see Kellen Mond being the best we can do). It's gonna take time. That's why we gave Jimbo 10 years. Also COVID is a thing and this can't be treated like a normal year.

We aren't winning this game Saturday. I hope I'm wrong about that. But I'll be watching and cheering on the Ags because it's the only thing I know how to do on CFB Saturday.

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We gave Jimbo 10 years because he wouldn't have signed the contract w/o the massive guarantee.

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Yep. Sharp said it was the maximum we could get him to sign. I assumed he meant minimum...

slyfox07 said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Zero games are must win during the first 7 years of a 10 year 75 mil guaranteed contract

Just try to enjoy watching the rebuild...

We're probably still 2-3 years away from competing for anything worthwhile

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What kind of rebuild takes 6 years?

That doesn't make any sense.

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Four or five years (equal to the time for a full turnover of a class of players) should be enough to tell where a college program is headed.

More than that is sunshine pumping and/or excuse making. The fact we were a better team in Jimbo's first year with Sumlin's players than we are today should give everyone pause.

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What kind of rebuild takes 6 years?

That doesn't make any sense.

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It makes sense when you consider that because it was the first year of early signing when jimbo took over that that recruiting class was basically wasted

So jimbo needs at least 4 full classes to get it where it needs to be to compete for titles in the SEC (4 star talent and depth)

That's essentially 5 seasons of jimbo coaching A&M

Had we been in the big 12 or pac or acc, we could compete for titles now

My Name Is Judge said:

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Do you think we're a year away from competing for titles?

This year essentially gets thrown out bc of hoax virus

Jimbo has had 2 complete recruiting classes thus far... he presumably needs 2-3 more to get things exactly how he wants it.. he's pretty set in his ways

So yea if we compete before then, great... I just don't see it

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If we had started a different QB last year to get him some experience for this year and beyond I'd feel a lot more confident about competing next year.

Not a must win for job security, but may be for recruiting. If you were a 4 or 5 star, you saw the team getting blown out and previous 4 and 5 stars aren't seeing meaningful action, would you sign? Or look elsewhere?

My Name Is Judge said:

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We're probably still 2-3 years away from competing for anything worthwhile

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Why have I read this on TexAgs every year I have had an account

Cassius said:

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slyfox07 said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Zero games are must win during the first 7 years of a 10 year 75 mil guaranteed contract

Just try to enjoy watching the rebuild...

We're probably still 2-3 years away from competing for anything worthwhile

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What kind of rebuild takes 6 years?

That doesn't make any sense.

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The kind that Jimbo oversees. Relax, and enjoy it.

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Clayton Williams? Dat you?

Praise Jesus!!!!!!!!

To be fair, excepting 2012, we've pretty well been "the same ole Ags" and that holds true since joining the SEC. In SEC play:

2013: 4-4
2014: 3-5
2015: 4-4
2016: 4-4
2017: 4-4
2018: 5-3
2019: 4-4
2020: 1-1 (and predicted by Vegas to go 5-5).

Jimbo's teams have played a harder schedule though, so there's that. Nevertheless, as many have stated, for better or worse, Jimbo isn't going anywhere for at least 3 more years unless he chooses to leave.

Jimbo is 3-8 vs ranked teams (at time of game). Best win against #7 LSU. Avg rank of 11 games is 6 (6 times ranked either 1 or 2).

The Aggies are truthfully the 4th best program in the SEC West.
(1) Bama with 5 NCs and 5 SEC Titles under Saban. 8-1 in last 9 games vs A&M.

(2) LSU with 3 NCs and 5 SEC Titles since 2001. 8-1 vs A&M in last 9 games.

(3) Auburn with 1 NC in 2 appearances and 2 fairly recent
SEC Titles.

A&M has Zero SEC West Titles, Zero SEC Titles, and is about on par with Mississippi State in the SEC West so why do many A&M fans talk about "catching Bama" when A&M is so far behind several SEC West Programs? Do you think Bama, LSU, & Auburn are going to lay down because A&M had two good recruiting classes? Bama and LSU have been recruiting at that level for decades. It is much tougher than many if the posters here realize.

Things that I see:

• The schedule this year went from very favorable to very difficult once again. We are playing 5 teams currently ranked above us in a 10 game season. Florida is #3 in Coaches; and #4 in AP. People 'demanding' that we should easily handle a top 5 team are setting themselves up for disappointment.
• We lost our top receiver to COVID/SJW (and who was a Sumlin recruit). We lost our next two receivers to early draft (which were questionable decisions, and also Sumlin recruits). I do not blame Fisher for any of this. The current stable of Fisher recruited receivers will be better, but only after time to develop.
• I am no longer a fan of Mond for a variety of reasons. That said, I am concerned that benching him at this time - a known limited commodity, for an unknown commodity with a potential higher limit - might very well give A&M a ton of negative press and could negatively affect recruiting. That may very well change if Mond continues to have visibly poor performances, but after week 2, it's still too early to move.

And most importantly:

• Who the hell do you pot bangers have in mind to replace Jimbo with? A&M would be on the hook for Jimbo's guarantee, and have less resources available to bring in another big name coach. So, the carousel would continue.

This!

Because we like being "the same ol' Ags"...a middle of the road team and that's our football identity.

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Cassius said:

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so Jimbo is not able to change the mindset of the Sumlin recruits?! What does that say about Jimbo?

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He has had success for many but it's very probably that there are still a few cancers in the team. Those need to be flushed out. We can judge him only once he has his own recruits.

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Complete bullsht. I hope you are being sarcastic.

Dumb Aggies were calling for Jackie Sherrill's head in middle of 3rd year. Best coach in A&M history!

SABUILDERAG said:

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Alpha Texan said:

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slyfox07 said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Zero games are must win during the first 7 years of a 10 year 75 mil guaranteed contract

Just try to enjoy watching the rebuild...

We're probably still 2-3 years away from competing for anything worthwhile

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What kind of rebuild takes 6 years?

That doesn't make any sense.

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uh well Clemson's took like 4 and they're in the ACC. We could go 11-2 on average in the ACC in the right division (the one that doesn't host Clemson). Plus that program adjusted to their new coaches demands of perfection in just a couple years while we still have mentally filthy players left over from Sumlin.

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We have had mentally filthy players since way before Sumlin. This is a societal entitlement issue where our inner city kids feel that they are oppressed even while receiving a full college scholarship and the adoration of millions for playing a game. I believe it is the reason that A&M and Texas (along with other schools who recruit heavily from our largest cities - USC, UCLA, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc.) have failed to consistently compete at a high level compared to other programs that recruit from more rural populations or cherry pick nationally (most of the SEC, Clemson, tOSU, OU, etc.). The attitude of kids from Louisiana, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, etc. is just different than the kids from Dallas and Houston and we are seeing the results in how our guys approach their "job". I am hoping that Jimbo can transform the entitled culture within the program, but it isn't an easy task.

I am disappointed in the slow progress and feel like Jimbo would benefit from a dynamic play caller/OC, but I also see a team that appears to be getting tougher and looks like an SEC team from a size perspective, they just aren't mentally strong enough to prepare to compete at the level they need to in this conference.

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Lol and to think this actually got two likes. Sure blame the kids not the coach. He's not obligated to recruit these "poor entitled inner city kids".

We're going to cement our place at the top of the college football pyramid when we cut a $37.5mm check to have the freedom to find someone new to guarantee $100mm to take our program to staggering new mids.

If Jimbo is going to win today he won't be doing it with Mond. It will have to be a constant running game and defense. Since we know he won't bench Mond no matter what I put our chances of winning at no more than 30% and a final score of 34-10 Florida.

He has a guaranteed contract. No must-wins for Jimbo. Laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm still in shock that no one has floated any kind of "Get Out Of Jimbo-Jail Free" card that could basically be termination-for-cause. No, nothing we know has happened. But I refuse to believe there isn't some kind of contingency that could be used as leverage. You don't sign off that amount of money without having some sort of hidden guarantee.

And if you are that stupid, you don't deserve to have the money in the first place.

But 5-5, and we'll see --something will come out if there's something to come out.

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Realistically, this discussion won't happen until after Year Five, if it happens at all.

Not going to happen with Mond.

Alpha Texan said:

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