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You do understand the virus attacks the heart? The arteries etc.

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So who verified that one led to the other? They did verify it, didn't they? They wouldn't fudge numbers and states had to apologize and correct them, surely?

It's never happened that numbers have been grossly inflated, surely?

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Actually our government can use extreme measures to slow an envision.

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invasion? Red Herring.

You think 140k dead and business shutting down isn't by invasion?

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You think 140k dead and business shutting down isn't by invasion?

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You've been corrected multiple times that the virus hasn't been the cause of death but simply people who have died while they have it whether it killed them or not. Big difference. But you continue to try and dodge/ignore that.

A pandemic doesn't need people fudging numbers if it's THAT bad.

Okay now the narrative is it isn't the virus. I believe attacking vital organs is on the virus.

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Okay now the narrative is it isn't the virus. I believe attacking vital organs is on the virus.

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It was never the virus. They literally counted people who died in driver's accidents as covid deaths. Did it kill some people, especially elderly when patients were shoved into nursing homes? Absolutely. But you keep touting this 140,000 number (similar to how you kept citing the Houston hospitals being "overrun" when only 19% were actually COVID cases lmao) when in reality that number isn't remotely accurate when discussing COVID deaths. It's people who died with COVID, not from COVID.

I don't try to dismiss COVID but since I can't recall a normal flu death, I think the D1 deaths will be something like 1/1000 of covid+, only that much due to other issues undiagnosed

Lol no we aren't counting driver deaths as Covid. We might count a heart attack. Guess what you don't die from cancer. Yet we call it a cancer death. Because without cancer you would be alive.

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Lol no we aren't counting driver deaths as Covid. We might count a heart attack. Guess what you don't die from cancer. Yet we call it a cancer death. Because without cancer you would be alive.

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Motorcycle Crash

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FOX 35 News found this out after asking Orange County Health Officer Dr. Raul Pino whether two coronavirus victims who were in their 20s had any underlying conditions. One of his answers surprised us.

"The first one didn't have any. He died in a motorcycle accident," Pino said.

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Lol no we aren't counting driver deaths as Covid. We might count a heart attack. Guess what you don't die from cancer. Yet we call it a cancer death. Because without cancer you would be alive.

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Ummmnmm

Motorcycle Crash

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FOX 35 News found this out after asking Orange County Health Officer Dr. Raul Pino whether two coronavirus victims who were in their 20s had any underlying conditions. One of his answers surprised us.

"The first one didn't have any. He died in a motorcycle accident," Pino said.

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Whoops.

I guess that explains it. DD just didn't know any better. But I wish if he didn't know he wouldn't parade around here like he does.

Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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Are you sure vegas money is not a nickname for your crazy uncle on Facebook? Conventional wisdom from immunologists is that in November there will be a second wave of COVID likely on top of the normal flu.

OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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If the Marxist/Communist/Socialist party takes over, Covid will be the LEAST of our problems!!!

OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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If the Marxist/Communist/Socialist party takes over, Covid will be the LEAST of our problems!!!

OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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If the Marxist/Communist/Socialist party takes over, Covid will be the LEAST of our problems!!!

rootube said:

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OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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Are you sure vegas money is not a nickname for your crazy uncle on Facebook? Conventional wisdom from immunologists is that in November there will be a second wave of COVID likely on top of the normal flu.

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Conventional wisdom from immunologists, huh?

They've been right SO many times the last 4 months, haven't they?

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rootube said:

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OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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Are you sure vegas money is not a nickname for your crazy uncle on Facebook? Conventional wisdom from immunologists is that in November there will be a second wave of COVID likely on top of the normal flu.

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Conventional wisdom from immunologists, huh?

They've been right SO many times the last 4 months, haven't they?

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Well considering we are relying on immunologists to develop and test therapies to prevent death and a vaccine to prevent the spread of the disease I'd say they have done a pretty good job so far considering this is a novel virus and they are figuring it out on the fly. Where do you get your advice?

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Aggies2009 said:

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rootube said:

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OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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Are you sure vegas money is not a nickname for your crazy uncle on Facebook? Conventional wisdom from immunologists is that in November there will be a second wave of COVID likely on top of the normal flu.

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Conventional wisdom from immunologists, huh?

They've been right SO many times the last 4 months, haven't they?

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Well considering we are relying on immunologists to develop and test therapies to prevent death and a vaccine to prevent the spread of the disease I'd say they have done a pretty good job so far considering this is a novel virus and they are figuring it out on the fly. Where do you get your advice?

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Ooohhh so we're figuring it out on the fly?

That's cool. Why should I listen to their "conventional wisdom"? It will be changed next week/month anyway, the same way it's been done time and time again.

Were these the same immunologists who said one group of protestors caused a COVID some whole another similar group didn't?

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rootube said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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rootube said:

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OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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Are you sure vegas money is not a nickname for your crazy uncle on Facebook? Conventional wisdom from immunologists is that in November there will be a second wave of COVID likely on top of the normal flu.

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Conventional wisdom from immunologists, huh?

They've been right SO many times the last 4 months, haven't they?

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Well considering we are relying on immunologists to develop and test therapies to prevent death and a vaccine to prevent the spread of the disease I'd say they have done a pretty good job so far considering this is a novel virus and they are figuring it out on the fly. Where do you get your advice?

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Ooohhh so we're figuring it out on the fly?

That's cool. Why should I listen to their "conventional wisdom"? It will be changed next week/month anyway, the same way it's been done time and time again.

Were these the same immunologists who said one group of protestors caused a COVID some whole another similar group didn't?

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They are the ones who are developing and testing therapies that could save your life if you contract the virus and they are also the ones who will develop a vaccine that will make this thing go away. So yea we are all counting on them including political wingnuts like you.

Aggies2009 said:

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rootube said:

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OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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Are you sure vegas money is not a nickname for your crazy uncle on Facebook? Conventional wisdom from immunologists is that in November there will be a second wave of COVID likely on top of the normal flu.

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Conventional wisdom from immunologists, huh?

They've been right SO many times the last 4 months, two decades haven't they?

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FIFY

rootube said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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rootube said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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rootube said:

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OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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Are you sure vegas money is not a nickname for your crazy uncle on Facebook? Conventional wisdom from immunologists is that in November there will be a second wave of COVID likely on top of the normal flu.

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Conventional wisdom from immunologists, huh?

They've been right SO many times the last 4 months, haven't they?

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Well considering we are relying on immunologists to develop and test therapies to prevent death and a vaccine to prevent the spread of the disease I'd say they have done a pretty good job so far considering this is a novel virus and they are figuring it out on the fly. Where do you get your advice?

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Ooohhh so we're figuring it out on the fly?

That's cool. Why should I listen to their "conventional wisdom"? It will be changed next week/month anyway, the same way it's been done time and time again.

Were these the same immunologists who said one group of protestors caused a COVID some whole another similar group didn't?

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They are the ones who are developing and testing therapies that could save your life if you contract the virus and they are also the ones who will develop a vaccine that will make this thing go away. So yea we are all counting on them including political wingnuts like you.

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two different groups

you are conflating immunologists and epidemiologists. Immunologists do as you are saying. The others are the ones who have been wrong, consistently, for the last two decades vis a vis public health threats including COVID, Ebola, Swine flu, etc., etc. It's not necessarily political, they just haven't gotten it right.

There were NEVER going to be "millions" dead from this. History and science bear this out. do some research on the history of viral epidemic modeling and and prediction made during the last several instances. Their models don't hold water.

rootube said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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rootube said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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rootube said:

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OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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Are you sure vegas money is not a nickname for your crazy uncle on Facebook? Conventional wisdom from immunologists is that in November there will be a second wave of COVID likely on top of the normal flu.

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Conventional wisdom from immunologists, huh?

They've been right SO many times the last 4 months, haven't they?

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Well considering we are relying on immunologists to develop and test therapies to prevent death and a vaccine to prevent the spread of the disease I'd say they have done a pretty good job so far considering this is a novel virus and they are figuring it out on the fly. Where do you get your advice?

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Ooohhh so we're figuring it out on the fly?

That's cool. Why should I listen to their "conventional wisdom"? It will be changed next week/month anyway, the same way it's been done time and time again.

Were these the same immunologists who said one group of protestors caused a COVID some whole another similar group didn't?

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They are the ones who are developing and testing therapies that could save your life if you contract the virus and they are also the ones who will develop a vaccine that will make this thing go away. So yea we are all counting on them including political wingnuts like you.

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Nobody brought politics into anything.

If you want to put your faith in people who have been wrong more often than not, I guess that's your choice.

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rootube said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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rootube said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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rootube said:

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OldCorpsTerd86 said:

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Vegas money says that come November 4, the virus goes away.

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Are you sure vegas money is not a nickname for your crazy uncle on Facebook? Conventional wisdom from immunologists is that in November there will be a second wave of COVID likely on top of the normal flu.

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Conventional wisdom from immunologists, huh?

They've been right SO many times the last 4 months, haven't they?

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Well considering we are relying on immunologists to develop and test therapies to prevent death and a vaccine to prevent the spread of the disease I'd say they have done a pretty good job so far considering this is a novel virus and they are figuring it out on the fly. Where do you get your advice?

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Ooohhh so we're figuring it out on the fly?

That's cool. Why should I listen to their "conventional wisdom"? It will be changed next week/month anyway, the same way it's been done time and time again.

Were these the same immunologists who said one group of protestors caused a COVID some whole another similar group didn't?

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They are the ones who are developing and testing therapies that could save your life if you contract the virus and they are also the ones who will develop a vaccine that will make this thing go away. So yea we are all counting on them including political wingnuts like you.

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two different groups

you are conflating immunologists and epidemiologists. Immunologists do as you are saying. The others are the ones who have been wrong, consistently, for the last two decades vis a vis public health threats including COVID, Ebola, Swine flu, etc., etc. It's not necessarily political, they just haven't gotten it right.

There were NEVER going to be "millions" dead from this. History and science bear this out. do some research on the history of viral epidemic modeling and and prediction made during the last several instances. Their models don't hold water.

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Whoops. My bad.

Yes a world pandemic was created to hurt Trump.

It's fluid. Nobody has ever seen this virus.

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It's fluid. Nobody has ever seen this virus.

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I understand that. Isn't that reason to not listen to them? After all, whatever they're saying now can be wrong and it chalked up to "eh it's a new thing- we didn't know!"