Out of their 22 signees and commits for 2020 - LSU has 5 kids from Louisiana.

Not exactly getting a roster full of LA kids.

asdkjfal;sjdoiaejnva;oiwe faowienfawoeijf go tigas!-Coach O

It usually takes a generational talent at quarterback to win a national title (Vince, Tebow, Cam, Deshaun, etc)

Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

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Christ, I wish one of our first choices could achieve even a whiff of Ed o's success.

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Have some patience for ****'s sake. A&M has not had the perennial top 5 talent stream every year for the past 15 years LSU has had. Jimbo has this ship headed in the right direction quickly.

Tamu_mgm said:

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Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

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He was LSU's 3rd choice and won a natty.

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Ed O just won a natty because of Joe Brady and Joe Burrow. Simple as that.

It is similar to how Sumlin won 11 games; it was because of Kliff and Johnny, albeit lsu had much more talent on both sides of the ball this year.

Let's see what coach meathead does now that his 1,2, and now 3rd best aspects of the lsu program are gone.

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Mike Evans on line 2...... i think he was the real reason both of those teams did well

ran_rivers11 said:

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Burrow - Gone
Brady - Gone
Aranda - Gone
7 Underclassmen to the draft

They will obviously still be insanely talented, especially with the recruiting bump from a Natty, but will Orgeron be able to achieve a sustained dynasty like Bama and Clemson?

Hard to get to the top. Even harder to stay there.

What do y'all think?

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SEE: Gene Chizik

Martin Cash said:

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ran_rivers11 said:

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Burrow - Gone
Brady - Gone
Aranda - Gone
7 Underclassmen to the draft

They will obviously still be insanely talented, especially with the recruiting bump from a Natty, but will Orgeron be able to achieve a sustained dynasty like Bama and Clemson?

Hard to get to the top. Even harder to stay there.

What do y'all think?

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SEE: Gene Chizik

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Even in a down year when LSU lost to Troy and Mississippi State they still went 9-4. I don't see Orgeron and LSU going 3-9 and winless in the SEC in the next few years....

Martin Cash said:

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ran_rivers11 said:

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Burrow - Gone
Brady - Gone
Aranda - Gone
7 Underclassmen to the draft

They will obviously still be insanely talented, especially with the recruiting bump from a Natty, but will Orgeron be able to achieve a sustained dynasty like Bama and Clemson?

Hard to get to the top. Even harder to stay there.

What do y'all think?

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SEE: Gene Chizik

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I know Coach O today is not the same Coach O as when he was at Ole Miss. But since the way his hiring happened at LSU included a promised package deal wherein Kiffin would come with him as OC, it seems to me he well understands his own limitations.

Although Kiffin bailed on him, he did get a decent OC in Matt Canada but they continually clashed and Canada left. And now his other coordinators have left, albeit one for a HC job. So Coach O could be difficult with which to work as well.

So is Nick Saban but Coach O is no Saban where people are willing to put up with his crap just to be able to pick his brain and learn his program..

We don't lose 11 starters. We are 1-1 against LSU under Jimbo. It's at Kyle. I like our chances

Tamu_mgm said:

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Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

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He was LSU's 3rd choice and won a natty.

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Ed O just won a natty because of Joe Brady and Joe Burrow. Simple as that.

It is similar to how Sumlin won 11 games; it was because of Kliff and Johnny, albeit lsu had much more talent on both sides of the ball this year.

Let's see what coach meathead does now that his 1,2, and now 3rd best aspects of the lsu program are gone.

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and who recruited Burrow? Who hired Brady? That has to earn him some sort of credit.

Tamu_mgm said:

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Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

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He was LSU's 3rd choice and won a natty.

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Ed O just won a natty because of Joe Brady and Joe Burrow. Simple as that.

It is similar to how Sumlin won 11 games; it was because of Kliff and Johnny, albeit lsu had much more talent on both sides of the ball this year.

Let's see what coach meathead does now that his 1,2, and now 3rd best aspects of the lsu program are gone.

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Don't discredit a team because of one player.

Most coaches win a natty or come very close because of the heroics of one player:

Mack Brown with Vince Young
Jimbo Fisher with Jameis Winston
Pete Carroll with Leinert and Bush

Oregon came close with Mariotta
Mack Brown came close with McCoy

I give credit to the coaches that can sustain championship level performance over a 5 year period. Saban, Swinney, Meyer, etc.

Mack Brown lasted only five years at or near the top (2004 - 2009).

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A&M has not had the perennial top 5 talent stream every year for the past 15 years LSU has had.

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Couldnt you make the same arguments about ed o stepping into a good program and winning as you could about Jimbo stepping in to florida state and winning? I would argue that going undefeated with a natty in the SEC west is far more impressive than what Jimbo did taking over for Bowden.

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Could say we've found out how good Jimbo is after Jameis left too. Not very good.

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Weird. Your entire post history is playing goalie for LSU and trashing A&M while pretending to be a fan.




I love the user profile tab that instantly shows old posting history.

I gare-on-teee we hear more of this:

Add Dave Aranda to this and you see how big the hit is going to be next year.

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Still the 2nd easiest job in the country. A fool like can stumble into 10-2 on a down year with their advantages. Only Ohio State is easier.

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How do you think OSU is easier ?
They have to recruit mostly out of state for skill people especially.
Their QB is from Georgia. RB from Texas.
WR's are from California/Texas/Arkansas.
They have to recruit nationally. (Haskins from Maryland, J.T. Barrett from Texas,Chase Young from Maryland, Okudah from Texas)

LSU has the easiest recruiting as they have enough in-state talent to fill their roster at every position.
They still cherry pick a little bit from other states.
Their recruiting is lights out when they are winning of course.

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Joe Burrow was an OSU transfer who went to HS in Ohio...

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Orgeron has the same advantage every coach has ever had at LSU...all the top kids in Louisiana ALL want to play for LSU.
Been that way forever. But he will have to rebuild somewhat after this season.
Brady may be gone...but you know Ensminger learned a lot from him and now has Brady's playbook to work with.
LSU won't win a natty next year or the year after...ala Clemson or Bama.
But Orgeron can recruit with the best and has his state locked up.
Can you imagine if Jimbo had the State of Texas locked up?
Can you imagine if every kid in Texas wanted to play for A&M?

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The idea that lsu is a perennial power because they have Louisiana talent is a myth that has become cancerous here. lsu had a good run in the 50's and 60's, but 70's, 80's and 90's they were largely irrelevant in terms of SEC and nationally. They were brought back to life when Saban was hired - pretty much everything from 2000 on is a direct result of Saban rebuilding and re-branding their program.

Kind of ironic, because Saban is absolutely despised in Red Stick these days - but without him, lsu is a middle of the pack at best SEC squad that has the off good year on occasion.

Will lsu be in the running next year for a title? I'd bet no, but I also bet they aren't a 6-6 or worse squad either. They have talent - the result of having the following recruiting class ranks:

2020 - #5
2019 - #5
2018 - #15
2017 - #7
2016 - #5
2015 - #5

In fact, I had to go all the way back to 2002 before lsu was out of the top 15 in recruiting rankings. And they go outside the state of LA to get players, always have. They poach a couple 2-4 from Texas every year, usually end up with a couple of Miss boys and some Florida guys as well. They recruit regionally, like everybody else does. They have had the benefit of really good recruting and really good coaching - starting with the foundation and standards set by Saban. Good coaching makes a program.

When I was just getting started coaching, I had an old coach tell me "winning begets winning". For the most part, that seems true. Another phrase is "the rich get richer". I doubt if LSU will win back to back titles, but I doubt they
drop off too much. There is too much talent and pride in that bunch.

Pretty sure he's made entirely of crawfish, catfish, and other various fish.

That's exactly my point with Coach O though. I am nowhere near sold he can SUSTAIN the success. Heck, even Gene Chizik got fortunate with Cam Newton and Gus as his playcaller. LSU will continue to be a regular 9 to 10 win program, but it's a big wait and see for me as to whether he can restock his great OC & DC, and get even close QB production.

I guess, but I ain't comparing Jimbo at Florida State with Ed O at LSU. Plus even if I were, Jimbo did much more to upgrade the talent at FSU as opposed to coach O more maintaining the status quo when it comes to recruiting talent.

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The idea that lsu is a perennial power because they have Louisiana talent is a myth that has become cancerous here. lsu had a good run in the 50's and 60's, but 70's, 80's and 90's they were largely irrelevant in terms of SEC and nationally. They were brought back to life when Saban was hired - pretty much everything from 2000 on is a direct result of Saban rebuilding and re-branding their program.

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I don't think people are arguing LSU has always been a perennial power for several decades though - just recently since Saban took over like you said. Since that 03 championship, the talent (especially in-state) has been almost automatic. So what O is doing is status quo of the last 15 years.

When Coach O hired Jones, he was a no-name assistant coach at the Saints, and barely out of his diapers.

He hired Aranda from Wisconsin.

That's a pretty good track record for identifying top coaching talent.

Yes, 2020 may be a rebuilding year. They are not likely to win a championship with their current crew. But, I would bet that Coach O has already identified a handful of coaches to join him at LSU when he loses his coordinators. That's what you have to do when you are a good CEO style coach.

I would be very surprised if they don't continue to be good.

GumboMaverick said:

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Out of their 22 signees and commits for 2020 - LSU has 5 kids from Louisiana.

Not exactly getting a roster full of LA kids.

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That looks a lot like Bama. I checked their class a couple of years back and they only had 5/25 from the state of Alabama.
I am surprised a little by those LSU numbers but, in general, it is usually a lot more Louisiana kids.

ran_rivers11 said:

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Burrow - Gone
Brady - Gone
Aranda - Gone
7 Underclassmen to the draft

They will obviously still be insanely talented, especially with the recruiting bump from a Natty, but will Orgeron be able to achieve a sustained dynasty like Bama and Clemson?

Hard to get to the top. Even harder to stay there.

What do y'all think?

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All you A&M bright boys need to quit worrying about Coach O, at least he went to the big show and won. You need to turn your attention to the home problem. Fisher will never win a Natoional Championship at A&M!!! BOOK IT!!!!!!

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The idea that your opponents have to get worse for you to succeed isn't true. But you have to beat them at their best to prove it.

We didn't this year. Orgeron did.

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EXACTLY!!!!!!

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I suspect he caught lightning in a bottle. We'll know in a few years.

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we catch lightning in a bottle and go wild over winning a cotton bowl

they catch lightning in a bottle and win a title

Tamu_mgm said:

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That's exactly my point with Coach O though. I am nowhere near sold he can SUSTAIN the success. Heck, even Gene Chizik got fortunate with Cam Newton and Gus as his playcaller. LSU will continue to be a regular 9 to 10 win program, but it's a big wait and see for me as to whether he can restock his great OC & DC, and get even close QB production.

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This. The question is, "Is Orgeron another Gene Chizik, or is he another Saban/Dabo/Fisher?" Chizik went from 14-0 and a natty to 8-5 and then to 3-9 and **** canned. Chizik only had a few starters returning on both sides of the ball and lost a phenomenal QB, so LSU's current situation looks to be somewhat similar. They are definitely deeper talent-wise than Auburn was, but they have a lot of big shoes to fill.

greg.w.h said:

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The idea that your opponents have to get worse for you to succeed isn't true. But you have to beat them at their best to prove it.

We didn't this year. Orgeron did.

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Why? This may very well be LSUs best team for a long, long time. It was historically good. We never have to beat that team. We just have to beat other teams. I don't think any of Clemson's 2 national championship teams were as good as LSU, but they didn't have to beat them to win it twice.

As for the OP, it's a great point. How will the rebound. Losing Brady, Aranda, Burrow, along with 12 other starters. How is his program building going? Can he sustain that? A lot of coaches have had a great year, then come back down to earth.

Chizik, Malzahn, hell, Larry Coker. I think LSU will be a great program under Orgeron, but I don't think they'll ever have a team that good. The stars aligned perfectly. Similar to Sumlin in 2012. He was never building a program that could replicate that team.

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Could say we've found out how good Jimbo is after Jameis left too. Not very good.

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You mean like win 10, 9, 12, 10, and 10 including 2 Orange bowls without him?

One bad year. One. In which the team still finished with a winning record at the end of the day with the original 3rd string QB.

FAT SEXY said:

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LSU is going to skull **** t.u. next year for those locker room thermostats.

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FIFY

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When Coach O hired Jones, he was a no-name assistant coach at the Saints, and barely out of his diapers.

He hired Aranda from Wisconsin.

That's a pretty good track record for identifying top coaching talent.

Yes, 2020 may be a rebuilding year. They are not likely to win a championship with their current crew. But, I would bet that Coach O has already identified a handful of coaches to join him at LSU when he loses his coordinators. That's what you have to do when you are a good CEO style coach.

I would be very surprised if they don't continue to be good.

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This. I think that is one of the major changes that O has gone through from his days at Ole Miss - he is aware of his limitations and also aware (and learned from Carroll) to find good coaches and let them coach with only interference as necessary.

Aranda was highly regarded at Wisconsin & many wanted him.

Add Thaddeus Moss to this list too.