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Well, if they do rig it for ou to get in again, they will get blown out again.

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Um, Grinch has tremendously improved that defense and last years 34 points against Bama was second only to Clemson.

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Bama let up after going up 28-0 and just sleep walked their way through the rest of that game.

The only completely objective way to settle the issue is to have some type of scheduling formula with set rules that define who makes the playoffs. In other words, adopt what the NFL does. Of course, that will also strip independence from the conferences and teams and make them subject to a central governing authority. Every other option will only answer a few questions while raising new ones.

The current system is fine. It was created to prevent situations like 04 Auburn and 94 Penn State. We could split hairs over a few selections, but I cannot sat that they ever really blew it.

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The current system is fine. It was created to prevent situations like 04 Auburn and 94 Penn State. We could split hairs over a few selections, but I cannot sat that they ever really blew it.

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The ground work for the current system started when Hawaii won and LSU got into the title game. The entitled writers felt wronged that they couldn't have more influence over the national championship. LSU won and they crowned USC the champion. They went on a seek and destroy mission attacking the computer polls.


The big10 brings a lot of viewers / fans. The polls already show this bias. History is repeating itself.

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That's why, while no one will want to hear it, having auto bid for the 5 conference winners (or 4 since The big 12 sucks ass), and adding in a few choices by the committee is the right way to do it. It is, and always will be, a popularity contest. At least until it becomes more objective.

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The best way to do it, IMO, is to have the 5 P5 champions have an auto bid with the 6th spot going to the best G5 champion. Give #1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 (#1 gets winner) & 4/5 (#2 gets winner) play. No more crying about a conference getting left out or another getting 2. You also shut up the G5 guys who just say "we want a shot." Well, you get a shot. Also, this will force teams like ND, BYU, etc to join a damn conference.

Or, you could only rank 1 & 2 and publish prior to the season starting every scenario of what the match ups would look like if say the SEC and B1G are #1 and 2, with ACC playing G5 and BDF playing Pac, with winner of ACC/G5 getting B1G. It takes rankings completely out of it, outside of 2 teams.

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Go do real work. Lord... minutia people spend too much time thinking about.

Clay Travis was successful. He got a bunch of morons to debate tweets.

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Cut the 2 meaningless non-conference cupcake games every team plays each year that nobody cares about.

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You're basically swapping 2 games no teams/fans care about for 2 big time games. You're getting campus games so travel isn't bad if you've earned it, and fans can more affordably attend.

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I'm not in favor of anything that cuts down the length of the regular season. The college football season is short enough as it is. Cutting out the cupcake games will be terrible for the teams that don't make the playoffs, like us this year

Our season would have ended in mid November. That's terrible it's bad enough that it ends in late November already

I, and I'm sure a lot of other Aggies and college football fans, look forward to those 12 Saturday's when their team plays a game, even if it's vs a cupcake you know you will blow out

As for the current rankings: I'm ok with Ohio st as #1-I've thought they were the most complete team all year long and predicted they would win it all back in the early weeks of the season

This year the 1 seed has a clear advantage over the 2 seed in that you don't have to face Clemson in round 1

I really hope Utah wins and makes it to number 4 because I don't want ou in again and Baylor's schedule was a joke, as was OU's

The other thing happening is, it seems with bamas big drop to 12, the committee is making it really hard for the sec to get 4 teams in the ny6

I think that's intentional

That, unfortunately, would screw us out of any chance at the outback bowl

I think it's because they don't want a NY6 game Where multiple Alabama players sit out & the team essentially mails it in

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That's why, while no one will want to hear it, having auto bid for the 5 conference winners (or 4 since The big 12 sucks ass), and adding in a few choices by the committee is the right way to do it. It is, and always will be, a popularity contest. At least until it becomes more objective.

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The best way to do it, IMO, is to have the 5 P5 champions have an auto bid with the 6th spot going to the best G5 champion. Give #1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 (#1 gets winner) & 4/5 (#2 gets winner) play. No more crying about a conference getting left out or another getting 2. You also shut up the G5 guys who just say "we want a shot." Well, you get a shot. Also, this will force teams like ND, BYU, etc to join a damn conference.

Or, you could only rank 1 & 2 and publish prior to the season starting every scenario of what the match ups would look like if say the SEC and B1G are #1 and 2, with ACC playing G5 and BDF playing Pac, with winner of ACC/G5 getting B1G. It takes rankings completely out of it, outside of 2 teams.

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Too much time? That's so simple that I came up with it taking a piss. I'm sorry logic is a challenge for you.

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That's why, while no one will want to hear it, having auto bid for the 5 conference winners (or 4 since The big 12 sucks ass), and adding in a few choices by the committee is the right way to do it. It is, and always will be, a popularity contest. At least until it becomes more objective.

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The best way to do it, IMO, is to have the 5 P5 champions have an auto bid with the 6th spot going to the best G5 champion. Give #1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 (#1 gets winner) & 4/5 (#2 gets winner) play. No more crying about a conference getting left out or another getting 2. You also shut up the G5 guys who just say "we want a shot." Well, you get a shot. Also, this will force teams like ND, BYU, etc to join a damn conference.

Or, you could only rank 1 & 2 and publish prior to the season starting every scenario of what the match ups would look like if say the SEC and B1G are #1 and 2, with ACC playing G5 and BDF playing Pac, with winner of ACC/G5 getting B1G. It takes rankings completely out of it, outside of 2 teams.

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This is more like an NFL model where a 7-9 division winner gets to host a play off game and a 10-6 team gets left out because they finished 3rd in a much harder division (which has happened).

The point of the college playoffs is to get the best teams to play each other for a championship, not the best team from each conference. There are 5 teams in the SEC better than the best G5 champion (and probably another 4 or 5 from the Big 10 too).

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That's why, while no one will want to hear it, having auto bid for the 5 conference winners (or 4 since The big 12 sucks ass), and adding in a few choices by the committee is the right way to do it. It is, and always will be, a popularity contest. At least until it becomes more objective.

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The best way to do it, IMO, is to have the 5 P5 champions have an auto bid with the 6th spot going to the best G5 champion. Give #1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 (#1 gets winner) & 4/5 (#2 gets winner) play. No more crying about a conference getting left out or another getting 2. You also shut up the G5 guys who just say "we want a shot." Well, you get a shot. Also, this will force teams like ND, BYU, etc to join a damn conference.

Or, you could only rank 1 & 2 and publish prior to the season starting every scenario of what the match ups would look like if say the SEC and B1G are #1 and 2, with ACC playing G5 and BDF playing Pac, with winner of ACC/G5 getting B1G. It takes rankings completely out of it, outside of 2 teams.

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Too much time? That's so simple that I came up with it taking a piss. I'm sorry logic is a challenge for you.

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This is more like an NFL model where a 7-9 division winner gets to host a play off game and a 10-6 team gets left out because they finished 3rd in a much harder division (which has happened).

The point of the college playoffs is to get the best teams to play each other for a championship, not the best team from each conference. There are 5 teams in the SEC better than the best G5 champion (and probably another 4 or 5 from the Big 10 too).

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It's already pretty much a de facto "champions advance." Outside of the SEC getting 2 in in 2017, it's always been the conference champions. With this, you don't have 1 conference on the outside crying about how they deserve a shot nor do you have the best G5 team crying.

No G5 should ever get an auto shot. That's welfare. It's already bad enough they get a NY6 spot.

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That's why, while no one will want to hear it, having auto bid for the 5 conference winners (or 4 since The big 12 sucks ass), and adding in a few choices by the committee is the right way to do it. It is, and always will be, a popularity contest. At least until it becomes more objective.

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The best way to do it, IMO, is to have the 5 P5 champions have an auto bid with the 6th spot going to the best G5 champion. Give #1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 (#1 gets winner) & 4/5 (#2 gets winner) play. No more crying about a conference getting left out or another getting 2. You also shut up the G5 guys who just say "we want a shot." Well, you get a shot. Also, this will force teams like ND, BYU, etc to join a damn conference.

Or, you could only rank 1 & 2 and publish prior to the season starting every scenario of what the match ups would look like if say the SEC and B1G are #1 and 2, with ACC playing G5 and BDF playing Pac, with winner of ACC/G5 getting B1G. It takes rankings completely out of it, outside of 2 teams.

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Too much time? That's so simple that I came up with it taking a piss. I'm sorry logic is a challenge for you.

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This is more like an NFL model where a 7-9 division winner gets to host a play off game and a 10-6 team gets left out because they finished 3rd in a much harder division (which has happened).

The point of the college playoffs is to get the best teams to play each other for a championship, not the best team from each conference. There are 5 teams in the SEC better than the best G5 champion (and probably another 4 or 5 from the Big 10 too).

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It's already pretty much a de facto "champions advance." Outside of the SEC getting 2 in in 2017, it's always been the conference champions. With this, you don't have 1 conference on the outside crying about how they deserve a shot nor do you have the best G5 team crying.

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You're not getting it. How can you have a team like Memphis who is not even in the top 15 right now (and definitely won't be in the top 10 after this weekend) playing for a national championship just because they are the tallest midget in the group of 5? I don't care if they whine about it, they are not one of the best teams in the country. All the teams ranked ahead of them would whine just as much. There is no perfect solution, but going to the NFL model is not a good one.

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That's why, while no one will want to hear it, having auto bid for the 5 conference winners (or 4 since The big 12 sucks ass), and adding in a few choices by the committee is the right way to do it. It is, and always will be, a popularity contest. At least until it becomes more objective.

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The best way to do it, IMO, is to have the 5 P5 champions have an auto bid with the 6th spot going to the best G5 champion. Give #1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 (#1 gets winner) & 4/5 (#2 gets winner) play. No more crying about a conference getting left out or another getting 2. You also shut up the G5 guys who just say "we want a shot." Well, you get a shot. Also, this will force teams like ND, BYU, etc to join a damn conference.

Or, you could only rank 1 & 2 and publish prior to the season starting every scenario of what the match ups would look like if say the SEC and B1G are #1 and 2, with ACC playing G5 and BDF playing Pac, with winner of ACC/G5 getting B1G. It takes rankings completely out of it, outside of 2 teams.

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Go do real work. Lord... minutia people spend too much time thinking about.

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Too much time? That's so simple that I came up with it taking a piss. I'm sorry logic is a challenge for you.

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This is more like an NFL model where a 7-9 division winner gets to host a play off game and a 10-6 team gets left out because they finished 3rd in a much harder division (which has happened).

The point of the college playoffs is to get the best teams to play each other for a championship, not the best team from each conference. There are 5 teams in the SEC better than the best G5 champion (and probably another 4 or 5 from the Big 10 too).

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It's already pretty much a de facto "champions advance." Outside of the SEC getting 2 in in 2017, it's always been the conference champions. With this, you don't have 1 conference on the outside crying about how they deserve a shot nor do you have the best G5 team crying.

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You're not getting it. How can you have a team like Memphis who is not even in the top 15 right now (and definitely won't be in the top 10 after this weekend) playing for a national championship just because they are the tallest midget in the group of 5? I don't care if they whine about it, they are not one of the best teams in the country.

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Yeah, no non-P5 team is ever worth a salt nor do they ever win a big game. Hell, the AAC is starting to get a few teams who are consistently as good as most P5 teams. Unless the G5 has their own playoffs (ideal), giving their best a shot shouldn't automatically be dismissed. It could actually help build some of their conferences and keep good coaches at a program longer vs. them jumping to a P5 gig.

I'd also say that you'll never really see a G5 team inside the top 10 because the playoff committee doesn't want one of them to sniff the playoffs.

The playoffs this year are doing what they ought to. There are really only 3 teams that anyone thinks might be the best team in the country. Regardless of order, they are all in.

We're arguing about who gets a slightly easier opponent in the first round and which second tier team is gifted a shot at the crown. I see this season as an argument against a 2-team playoff, but nothing else; 4 is plenty this year. Expanding the playoff gets more undeserving teams in, nothing else.

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No G5 should ever get an auto shot. That's welfare. It's already bad enough they get a NY6 spot.

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If you think the G5 shouldn't get an auto bid, then why do they even exist?

If the G5 doesn't get a shot, they should stop playing football. Power 5 games only. For those "preseason" advocates, fall camp starts early, and school starts earlier than the season anyway. Figure it out. Stop playing meaningless opponents if you want them to have no shot.

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That's why, while no one will want to hear it, having auto bid for the 5 conference winners (or 4 since The big 12 sucks ass), and adding in a few choices by the committee is the right way to do it. It is, and always will be, a popularity contest. At least until it becomes more objective.

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The best way to do it, IMO, is to have the 5 P5 champions have an auto bid with the 6th spot going to the best G5 champion. Give #1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 (#1 gets winner) & 4/5 (#2 gets winner) play. No more crying about a conference getting left out or another getting 2. You also shut up the G5 guys who just say "we want a shot." Well, you get a shot. Also, this will force teams like ND, BYU, etc to join a damn conference.

Or, you could only rank 1 & 2 and publish prior to the season starting every scenario of what the match ups would look like if say the SEC and B1G are #1 and 2, with ACC playing G5 and BDF playing Pac, with winner of ACC/G5 getting B1G. It takes rankings completely out of it, outside of 2 teams.

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Go do real work. Lord... minutia people spend too much time thinking about.

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Too much time? That's so simple that I came up with it taking a piss. I'm sorry logic is a challenge for you.

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This is more like an NFL model where a 7-9 division winner gets to host a play off game and a 10-6 team gets left out because they finished 3rd in a much harder division (which has happened).

The point of the college playoffs is to get the best teams to play each other for a championship, not the best team from each conference. There are 5 teams in the SEC better than the best G5 champion (and probably another 4 or 5 from the Big 10 too).

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It's already pretty much a de facto "champions advance." Outside of the SEC getting 2 in in 2017, it's always been the conference champions. With this, you don't have 1 conference on the outside crying about how they deserve a shot nor do you have the best G5 team crying.

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You're not getting it. How can you have a team like Memphis who is not even in the top 15 right now (and definitely won't be in the top 10 after this weekend) playing for a national championship just because they are the tallest midget in the group of 5? I don't care if they whine about it, they are not one of the best teams in the country.

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Yeah, no non-P5 team is ever worth a salt nor do they ever win a big game. Hell, the AAC is starting to get a few teams who are consistently as good as most P5 teams. Unless the G5 has their own playoffs (ideal), giving their best a shot shouldn't automatically be dismissed. It could actually help build some of their conferences and keep good coaches at a program longer vs. them jumping to a P5 gig.

I'd also say that you'll never really see a G5 team inside the top 10 because the playoff committee doesn't want one of them to sniff the playoffs.

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I'm fine with giving a G5 team a shot if their resume is truly one of the best 4 in the country, or if it is expanded to 6 or 8. If UH had run the table in 2016 after opening the season with a win at #3 OU (and also played Lamar Jackson and #5 Lousiville) they would have had a real chance to get in, but they lost 3 games that year after beating OU. To say the G5 should have an automatic bid is where there will be problems. To say anyone should have an automatic bid is problematic. What if UCLA and UH were good this year and beat OU in the non conference, then OU loses to Kansas State like they did this year and still wins the Big 12 with one conference loss...now they are in the playoffs with 3 losses? Come on.

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The playoffs this year are doing what they ought to. There are really only 3 teams that anyone thinks might be the best team in the country. Regardless of order, they are all in.

We're arguing about who gets a slightly easier opponent in the first round and which second tier team is gifted a shot at the crown. I see this season as an argument against a 2-team playoff, but nothing else; 4 is plenty this year. Expanding the playoff gets more undeserving teams in, nothing else.

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And if Georgia beats LSU this week? Your whole argument is rendered moot.

Nobody really knows how good Clemson is this year. Their schedule is laughable

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That's why, while no one will want to hear it, having auto bid for the 5 conference winners (or 4 since The big 12 sucks ass), and adding in a few choices by the committee is the right way to do it. It is, and always will be, a popularity contest. At least until it becomes more objective.

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The best way to do it, IMO, is to have the 5 P5 champions have an auto bid with the 6th spot going to the best G5 champion. Give #1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 (#1 gets winner) & 4/5 (#2 gets winner) play. No more crying about a conference getting left out or another getting 2. You also shut up the G5 guys who just say "we want a shot." Well, you get a shot. Also, this will force teams like ND, BYU, etc to join a damn conference.

Or, you could only rank 1 & 2 and publish prior to the season starting every scenario of what the match ups would look like if say the SEC and B1G are #1 and 2, with ACC playing G5 and BDF playing Pac, with winner of ACC/G5 getting B1G. It takes rankings completely out of it, outside of 2 teams.

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Go do real work. Lord... minutia people spend too much time thinking about.

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If this is the extent of what you can contribute to the thread stop clicking on it. 2nd time you've posted this

What changes if Georgia wins? What teams do people then think might be the best in the nation? Does it expand past 4?

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Then the committee decides between Utah (assuming they beat Oregon) and winner of OU/Baylor. I don't care if one of those teams get left out and whines about it either. So far with this 4 team playoff there has not been one team left out with a legitimate argument that they might be the best team in the country.

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That's why, while no one will want to hear it, having auto bid for the 5 conference winners (or 4 since The big 12 sucks ass), and adding in a few choices by the committee is the right way to do it. It is, and always will be, a popularity contest. At least until it becomes more objective.

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The best way to do it, IMO, is to have the 5 P5 champions have an auto bid with the 6th spot going to the best G5 champion. Give #1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 (#1 gets winner) & 4/5 (#2 gets winner) play. No more crying about a conference getting left out or another getting 2. You also shut up the G5 guys who just say "we want a shot." Well, you get a shot. Also, this will force teams like ND, BYU, etc to join a damn conference.

Or, you could only rank 1 & 2 and publish prior to the season starting every scenario of what the match ups would look like if say the SEC and B1G are #1 and 2, with ACC playing G5 and BDF playing Pac, with winner of ACC/G5 getting B1G. It takes rankings completely out of it, outside of 2 teams.

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Too much time? That's so simple that I came up with it taking a piss. I'm sorry logic is a challenge for you.

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This is more like an NFL model where a 7-9 division winner gets to host a play off game and a 10-6 team gets left out because they finished 3rd in a much harder division (which has happened).

The point of the college playoffs is to get the best teams to play each other for a championship, not the best team from each conference. There are 5 teams in the SEC better than the best G5 champion (and probably another 4 or 5 from the Big 10 too).

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It's already pretty much a de facto "champions advance." Outside of the SEC getting 2 in in 2017, it's always been the conference champions. With this, you don't have 1 conference on the outside crying about how they deserve a shot nor do you have the best G5 team crying.

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You're not getting it. How can you have a team like Memphis who is not even in the top 15 right now (and definitely won't be in the top 10 after this weekend) playing for a national championship just because they are the tallest midget in the group of 5? I don't care if they whine about it, they are not one of the best teams in the country.

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Yeah, no non-P5 team is ever worth a salt nor do they ever win a big game. Hell, the AAC is starting to get a few teams who are consistently as good as most P5 teams. Unless the G5 has their own playoffs (ideal), giving their best a shot shouldn't automatically be dismissed. It could actually help build some of their conferences and keep good coaches at a program longer vs. them jumping to a P5 gig.

I'd also say that you'll never really see a G5 team inside the top 10 because the playoff committee doesn't want one of them to sniff the playoffs.

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I'm fine with giving a G5 team a shot if their resume is truly one of the best 4 in the country, or if it is expanded to 6 or 8. If UH had run the table in 2016 after opening the season with a win at #3 OU (and also played Lamar Jackson and #5 Lousiville) they would have had a real chance to get in, but they lost 3 games that year after beating OU. To say the G5 should have an automatic bid is where there will be problems. To say anyone should have an automatic bid is problematic. What if UCLA and UH were good this year and beat OU in the non conference, then OU loses to Kansas State like they did this year and still wins the Big 12 with one conference loss...now they are in the playoffs with 3 losses? Come on.

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They'll still not get a shot because people who think like you will not want to give them the chance to do it, because "they play a G5 schedule." Well, Clemson kind of did as well this year given how chitty the ACC is. The rest of your post is a bunch of "what ifs" that one could do to everything. I have nothing wrong with auto bids as you're out to win your conference first and foremost. Your OU what if is silly because you leave out Baylor, who has a legit shot at beating OU this weekend. For you, it's about overall record. There's not incentive to take a chance on playing a good P5 team because the risk is too much. Lose, and you're out of the playoff picture unless you win out.

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That's why, while no one will want to hear it, having auto bid for the 5 conference winners (or 4 since The big 12 sucks ass), and adding in a few choices by the committee is the right way to do it. It is, and always will be, a popularity contest. At least until it becomes more objective.

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The best way to do it, IMO, is to have the 5 P5 champions have an auto bid with the 6th spot going to the best G5 champion. Give #1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 (#1 gets winner) & 4/5 (#2 gets winner) play. No more crying about a conference getting left out or another getting 2. You also shut up the G5 guys who just say "we want a shot." Well, you get a shot. Also, this will force teams like ND, BYU, etc to join a damn conference.

Or, you could only rank 1 & 2 and publish prior to the season starting every scenario of what the match ups would look like if say the SEC and B1G are #1 and 2, with ACC playing G5 and BDF playing Pac, with winner of ACC/G5 getting B1G. It takes rankings completely out of it, outside of 2 teams.

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Go do real work. Lord... minutia people spend too much time thinking about.

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If this is the extent of what you can contribute to the thread stop clicking on it. 2nd time you've posted this

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Check his posting history. A bunch of "bump" posts. Real contributor we have posting there.

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I think if UGA somehow pulls it off, we see the same four teams in the playoff as projected now.

I just can't see LSU being left out of the playoff this year.

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Then the committee decides between Utah (assuming they beat Oregon) and winner of OU/Baylor. I don't care if one of those teams get left out and whines about it either. So far with this 4 team playoff there has not been one team left out with a legitimate argument that they might be the best team in the country.

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The first year Ohio State got in when Baylor and TCU both had a legit argument. We laughed, but there's no denying they were screwed. 2018 playoffs had Wisconsin sitting at 6 after losing the B1G Championship game to 2 loss Ohio State (OU and Iowa) with Ohio State being #5. With your logic, Wisconsin should have been ahead of Ohio State because they had a better overall record. Last year, 12-1 OU got in over 12-1 Ohio State. Let's not even discuss ND and their cream puff schedule and media love.

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Then the committee decides between Utah (assuming they beat Oregon) and winner of OU/Baylor. I don't care if one of those teams get left out and whines about it either. So far with this 4 team playoff there has not been one team left out with a legitimate argument that they might be the best team in the country.

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The first year Ohio State got in when Baylor and TCU both had a legit argument. We laughed, but there's no denying they were screwed. 2018 playoffs had Wisconsin sitting at 6 after losing the B1G Championship game to 2 loss Ohio State (OU and Iowa) with Ohio State being #5. With your logic, Wisconsin should have been ahead of Ohio State because they had a better overall record. Last year, 12-1 OU got in over 12-1 Ohio State. Let's not even discuss ND and their cream puff schedule and media love.

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Man talk about just making stuff up. I never said the team with the better record should automatically be in. The committee has said all along that conference championship is a big piece of the puzzle (which I agree with), but it does not mean you get an AUTOMATIC bid which is what I am against.

A lot of conference champions are worthy of a playoff spot, but a lot of them aren't also. Again, it's the NFL model and that won't work in college.

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There is absolutely a clear agenda to keep Ohio State at #1 all for the sake of "muh eye test," and I guess to knock the SEC down a notch.

LSU is the best team in the nation, based on resume, offense, schedule, eye test, etc. They would've beaten every single one of Ohio St.'s opponents by a larger margin of victory than the buckeyes have. I guess the committee is holding LSU's lack of dominant defense against them that much.

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But would LSU' s defense look dominant against Ohio State's opponents?

Emilio Fantastico said:

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longeryak said:

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Emilio Fantastico said:

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Well, if they do rig it for ou to get in again, they will get blown out again.

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Um, Grinch has tremendously improved that defense and last years 34 points against Bama was second only to Clemson.

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Bama let up after going up 28-0 and just sleep walked their way through the rest of that game.

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Right, because letting up and sleepwalking through games is a trademark of Saban teams.

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TexasLeaguer said:

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Can we just let handicappers rank the teams? What is a purer system than one in which we let free money talk.

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So you'd want Alabama still ahead to Auburn?

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Yes. Not a problem at all. Auburn has 3 losses, and needed 2 pick 6's, a missed chip shot FG, and barely beat a backup QB at home. Of course Alabama should be ranked ahead of Auburn.

Here's the way to do it. Instead of meaningless bowls, take the 10 conference winners, plus 6 teams at large (which could include independents) as determined by a selection committee.

Do the playoff. Seeds determined by AP rank. Everyone else, stays home. I'm guessing if the top of my head the number of conferences, but whatever it is, take that fill the rest with at large.

aTm2004 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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The best way to do it, IMO, is to have the 5 P5 champions have an auto bid with the 6th spot going to the best G5 champion. Give #1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 (#1 gets winner) & 4/5 (#2 gets winner) play. No more crying about a conference getting left out or another getting 2. You also shut up the G5 guys who just say "we want a shot." Well, you get a shot. Also, this will force teams like ND, BYU, etc to join a damn conference.

Or, you could only rank 1 & 2 and publish prior to the season starting every scenario of what the match ups would look like if say the SEC and B1G are #1 and 2, with ACC playing G5 and BDF playing Pac, with winner of ACC/G5 getting B1G. It takes rankings completely out of it, outside of 2 teams.

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You're not getting it. How can you have a team like Memphis who is not even in the top 15 right now (and definitely won't be in the top 10 after this weekend) playing for a national championship just because they are the tallest midget in the group of 5? I don't care if they whine about it, they are not one of the best teams in the country.

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Yeah, no non-P5 team is ever worth a salt nor do they ever win a big game. Hell, the AAC is starting to get a few teams who are consistently as good as most P5 teams. Unless the G5 has their own playoffs (ideal), giving their best a shot shouldn't automatically be dismissed. It could actually help build some of their conferences and keep good coaches at a program longer vs. them jumping to a P5 gig.

I'd also say that you'll never really see a G5 team inside the top 10 because the playoff committee doesn't want one of them to sniff the playoffs.

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G5 teams can play and win one-off games vs. P5 teams. They are not prepared to play every game against P5 teams and should never receive an auto-bid.

I'm not in favor of expanding at all. But I wouldn't be upset if the CFP took the old NFL approach on the wild card and had #4 and #5 play a game at #4's stadium for the 4th slot. That would at least keep us from potentially excluding a 1-loss P5 conference champ.

TripleSec said:

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Here's the way to do it. Instead of meaningless bowls, take the 10 conference winners, plus 6 teams at large (which could include independents) as determined by a selection committee.

Do the playoff. Seeds determined by AP rank. Everyone else, stays home. I'm guessing if the top of my head the number of conferences, but whatever it is, take that fill the rest with at large.

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Oh my god what a waste of time...in the first round you have Ohio State and LSU favored by a million over Central Michigan/Miami Ohio and UAB/FAU. Exciting!

Do you really think college football wants those matchups over something like Ohio State vs OU and LSU vs Clemson? Use your brains people

HoustonAg2106 said:

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Ulrich said:

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What changes if Georgia wins? What teams do people then think might be the best in the nation? Does it expand past 4?

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Then the committee decides between Utah (assuming they beat Oregon) and winner of OU/Baylor. I don't care if one of those teams get left out and whines about it either. So far with this 4 team playoff there has not been one team left out with a legitimate argument that they might be the best team in the country.

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The first year Ohio State got in when Baylor and TCU both had a legit argument. We laughed, but there's no denying they were screwed. 2018 playoffs had Wisconsin sitting at 6 after losing the B1G Championship game to 2 loss Ohio State (OU and Iowa) with Ohio State being #5. With your logic, Wisconsin should have been ahead of Ohio State because they had a better overall record. Last year, 12-1 OU got in over 12-1 Ohio State. Let's not even discuss ND and their cream puff schedule and media love.

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Man talk about just making stuff up. I never said the team with the better record should automatically be in. The committee has said all along that conference championship is a big piece of the puzzle (which I agree with), but it does not mean you get an AUTOMATIC bid which is what I am against.

A lot of conference champions are worthy of a playoff spot, but a lot of them aren't also. Again, it's the NFL model and that won't work in college.

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I never said you said a team with a better record should automatically be in. I pointed out that 10-2 Ohio State was ranked ahead of 11-1 Wisconsin despite overall record. Talk about making stuff up.

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Bo Darville said:

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No G5 should ever get an auto shot. That's welfare. It's already bad enough they get a NY6 spot.

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If you think the G5 shouldn't get an auto bid, then why do they even exist?

If the G5 doesn't get a shot, they should stop playing football. Power 5 games only. For those "preseason" advocates, fall camp starts early, and school starts earlier than the season anyway. Figure it out. Stop playing meaningless opponents if you want them to have no shot.

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Those garbage programs exist as filler and fodder. Nothing more.

aTm2004 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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What changes if Georgia wins? What teams do people then think might be the best in the nation? Does it expand past 4?

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Then the committee decides between Utah (assuming they beat Oregon) and winner of OU/Baylor. I don't care if one of those teams get left out and whines about it either. So far with this 4 team playoff there has not been one team left out with a legitimate argument that they might be the best team in the country.

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The first year Ohio State got in when Baylor and TCU both had a legit argument. We laughed, but there's no denying they were screwed. 2018 playoffs had Wisconsin sitting at 6 after losing the B1G Championship game to 2 loss Ohio State (OU and Iowa) with Ohio State being #5. With your logic, Wisconsin should have been ahead of Ohio State because they had a better overall record. Last year, 12-1 OU got in over 12-1 Ohio State. Let's not even discuss ND and their cream puff schedule and media love.

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Man talk about just making stuff up. I never said the team with the better record should automatically be in. The committee has said all along that conference championship is a big piece of the puzzle (which I agree with), but it does not mean you get an AUTOMATIC bid which is what I am against.

A lot of conference champions are worthy of a playoff spot, but a lot of them aren't also. Again, it's the NFL model and that won't work in college.

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I never said you said a team with a better record should automatically be in. I pointed out that 10-2 Ohio State was ranked ahead of 11-1 Wisconsin despite overall record. Talk about making stuff up.

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And I agree that they should have been, but you were saying that I would put Wisconsin ahead of them simply because of their record which is not true.