Just put in the conference champion from the power 5 and a couple of at large spots and bam you have a real playoff systemAggiebrewer said:
I hope for an absolute mess in CFP
ANYTHING to hasten a March madness type football playoff system
"Lack of dominant defense" is an understatement. Other than their performance against us (sob), their defense has been bottom 30-40% or so. Tua and his WRs absolutely torched them like 12 days after ankle surgery.Tamu_mgm said:
LSU is the best team in the nation, based on resume, offense, schedule, eye test, etc. They would've beaten every single one of Ohio St.'s opponents by a larger margin of victory than the buckeyes have. I guess the committee is holding LSU's lack of dominant defense against them that much.
Well yea because in my hypothetical I'm assuming the teams in front of them have 0-1 losses, 2 at most. A 3 loss team is not the best team in the country. Period. End of story.aTm2004 said:
In your hypothetical about OU this year, you wouldn't want a 3 loss OU in the playoffs. That implies overall record means the most to you. Say LSU lost Burrow during the sip game and lost, and he was out for 4 games. During that time, LSU went 3-1 losing to Florida, but then he came back for the State game and they plowed through the west as they did. Would they not deserve to be in the playoffs because of their 2 losses? Do you see the committee putting a 2 loss conference champion in under the current system? I don't.
And that's where we disagree. If a key player gets hurt during the season and misses a game or two, and they lose, they're out. Doesn't matter that when they're healthy they're one of the best in the nation. "But but the best team would have depth." Yeah they do, but you know as well as I do that some players are irreplaceable. We went 11-2 in 2012. Do you think we'd be the same without Johnny? Do you think we were one of the best teams in CFB at the end of the season? I do and there are many non-Aggies who also believe that. Granted, we wouldn't have made the playoffs under the system I want, but to think teams can't improve is hilarious.HoustonAg2106 said:Well yea because in my hypothetical I'm assuming the teams in front of them have 0-1 losses, 2 at most. A three lost team is not the best team in the country. Period. End of story.aTm2004 said:
In your hypothetical about OU this year, you wouldn't want a 3 loss OU in the playoffs. That implies overall record means the most to you. Say LSU lost Burrow during the sip game and lost, and he was out for 4 games. During that time, LSU went 3-1 losing to Florida, but then he came back for the State game and they plowed through the west as they did. Would they not deserve to be in the playoffs because of their 2 losses? Do you see the committee putting a 2 loss conference champion in under the current system? I don't.
Stop trying to turn this into professional sports where you are just trying to win your division/conference so you can maybe sneak into the playoffs and then hope you get hot at the right time (also how march madness is too). College football is all about the regular season, you have to prove you are one of the best teams during the season to have a chance to win a national championship...always has been and always will be that wayaTm2004 said:And that's where we disagree. If a key player gets hurt during the season and misses a game or two, and they lose, they're out. Doesn't matter that when they're healthy they're one of the best in the nation. "But but the best team would have depth." Yeah they do, but you know as well as I do that some players are irreplaceable. We went 11-2 in 2012. Do you think we'd be the same without Johnny? Do you think we were one of the best teams in CFB at the end of the season? I do and there are many non-Aggies who also believe that. Granted, we wouldn't have made the playoffs under the system I want, but to think teams can't improve is hilarious.HoustonAg2106 said:Well yea because in my hypothetical I'm assuming the teams in front of them have 0-1 losses, 2 at most. A three lost team is not the best team in the country. Period. End of story.aTm2004 said:
In your hypothetical about OU this year, you wouldn't want a 3 loss OU in the playoffs. That implies overall record means the most to you. Say LSU lost Burrow during the sip game and lost, and he was out for 4 games. During that time, LSU went 3-1 losing to Florida, but then he came back for the State game and they plowed through the west as they did. Would they not deserve to be in the playoffs because of their 2 losses? Do you see the committee putting a 2 loss conference champion in under the current system? I don't.
"to have a chance" There's the issue many have. Some teams, even when they prove themselves, aren't given that chance. I'll go back to the first season when Baylor and TCU were left out in favor of OSU. A lot of controversy there that, luckily for the committee, paid off. And don't act like you don't know why they chose Ohio State over Baylor or TCU. We all know it and that is where the issue lies...human bias. Regardless of what you think, ratings and money are driving decisions. It may not be the biggest factor, but a factor none the less.HoustonAg2106 said:Stop trying to turn this into professional sports where you are just trying to win your division/conference so you can maybe sneak into the playoffs and then hope you get hot at the right time (also how march madness is too). College football is all about the regular season, you have to prove you are one of the best teams during the season to have a chance to win a national championship...always has been and always will be that wayaTm2004 said:And that's where we disagree. If a key player gets hurt during the season and misses a game or two, and they lose, they're out. Doesn't matter that when they're healthy they're one of the best in the nation. "But but the best team would have depth." Yeah they do, but you know as well as I do that some players are irreplaceable. We went 11-2 in 2012. Do you think we'd be the same without Johnny? Do you think we were one of the best teams in CFB at the end of the season? I do and there are many non-Aggies who also believe that. Granted, we wouldn't have made the playoffs under the system I want, but to think teams can't improve is hilarious.HoustonAg2106 said:Well yea because in my hypothetical I'm assuming the teams in front of them have 0-1 losses, 2 at most. A three lost team is not the best team in the country. Period. End of story.aTm2004 said:
In your hypothetical about OU this year, you wouldn't want a 3 loss OU in the playoffs. That implies overall record means the most to you. Say LSU lost Burrow during the sip game and lost, and he was out for 4 games. During that time, LSU went 3-1 losing to Florida, but then he came back for the State game and they plowed through the west as they did. Would they not deserve to be in the playoffs because of their 2 losses? Do you see the committee putting a 2 loss conference champion in under the current system? I don't.
Do injuries hurt your chance at winning a national championship? Yup. It's like that at every level. I absolutely believe we were one of the best teams in the country at the end of 2012, but September is just as important as November in college football and that's what I love about it. Make some field goals against Florida and we win the national championship that year.
These are not only things I believe, I also think this is how the committee and college football feels. I can see an expansion to 6 or 8 in the near future for sure, but there will not be automatic tie ins and there will certainly be no automatic G5 teams. Honestly conferences the size of the SEC and Big 10 would be completely against it as they could easily have 2 or 3 of the 8 best teams in the country and would absolutely be against only getting one team in at a time.
We obviously just disagree and that's fine. To clarify, I was not saying that college athletics are amateur sports and should stay that way. They have basically been a professional athletic organization for two decades now. I just meant that the NFL and other pro sports have their emphasis on the playoffs and not the regular season. You can lose half your games (sometimes less than half at 7-9) in the NFL and make it to the super bowl as long as you were the best in your division. I do support expanding to 6 or 8 teams which would solve your problems with Baylor and TCU that year (which by the way they split the conference championship which is a big reason they were left out and why they created the big 12 championship game), but I do not think you will ever get automatic bids for winning your conference (especially for G5)aTm2004 said:"to have a chance" There's the issue many have. Some teams, even when they prove themselves, aren't given that chance. I'll go back to the first season when Baylor and TCU were left out in favor of OSU. A lot of controversy there that, luckily for the committee, paid off. And don't act like you don't know why they chose Ohio State over Baylor or TCU. We all know it and that is where the issue lies...human bias. Regardless of what you think, ratings and money are driving decisions. It may not be the biggest factor, but a factor none the less.HoustonAg2106 said:Stop trying to turn this into professional sports where you are just trying to win your division/conference so you can maybe sneak into the playoffs and then hope you get hot at the right time (also how march madness is too). College football is all about the regular season, you have to prove you are one of the best teams during the season to have a chance to win a national championship...always has been and always will be that wayaTm2004 said:And that's where we disagree. If a key player gets hurt during the season and misses a game or two, and they lose, they're out. Doesn't matter that when they're healthy they're one of the best in the nation. "But but the best team would have depth." Yeah they do, but you know as well as I do that some players are irreplaceable. We went 11-2 in 2012. Do you think we'd be the same without Johnny? Do you think we were one of the best teams in CFB at the end of the season? I do and there are many non-Aggies who also believe that. Granted, we wouldn't have made the playoffs under the system I want, but to think teams can't improve is hilarious.HoustonAg2106 said:Well yea because in my hypothetical I'm assuming the teams in front of them have 0-1 losses, 2 at most. A three lost team is not the best team in the country. Period. End of story.aTm2004 said:
In your hypothetical about OU this year, you wouldn't want a 3 loss OU in the playoffs. That implies overall record means the most to you. Say LSU lost Burrow during the sip game and lost, and he was out for 4 games. During that time, LSU went 3-1 losing to Florida, but then he came back for the State game and they plowed through the west as they did. Would they not deserve to be in the playoffs because of their 2 losses? Do you see the committee putting a 2 loss conference champion in under the current system? I don't.
Do injuries hurt your chance at winning a national championship? Yup. It's like that at every level. I absolutely believe we were one of the best teams in the country at the end of 2012, but September is just as important as November in college football and that's what I love about it. Make some field goals against Florida and we win the national championship that year.
These are not only things I believe, I also think this is how the committee and college football feels. I can see an expansion to 6 or 8 in the near future for sure, but there will not be automatic tie ins and there will certainly be no automatic G5 teams. Honestly conferences the size of the SEC and Big 10 would be completely against it as they could easily have 2 or 3 of the 8 best teams in the country and would absolutely be against only getting one team in at a time.
Also, I hate to break it to you, but CFB is becoming a professional sport more and more each season whether you want to admit it or not. What makes it different from the NFL or any other sport are the connections and investment majority of the fans have with the school(s). You don't get that with any professional team.
longeryak said:I'm for CCGs and think any team that didn't win their's is out.Sq 17 said:
Not that complicated
8 teams no ccg all power 5 champs in 3 at large
I would award #1 and #2 with a first round bye and make it the 5 CCG game winners and one at large for a field of 6.
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I'm fine with giving a G5 team a shot if their resume is truly one of the best 4 in the country, or if it is expanded to 6 or 8. If UH had run the table in 2016 after opening the season with a win at #3 OU (and also played Lamar Jackson and #5 Lousiville) they would have had a real chance to get in, but they lost 3 games that year after beating OU. To say the G5 should have an automatic bid is where there will be problems. To say anyone should have an automatic bid is problematic. What if UCLA and UH were good this year and beat OU in the non conference, then OU loses to Kansas State like they did this year and still wins the Big 12 with one conference loss...now they are in the playoffs with 3 losses? Come on.
I know it doesn't happen often, but it does happen. In 2003 a 3 loss Kansas State team that lost to Marshall upset #1 OU in the Big 12 championship game and played in the Fiesta Bowl because of the automatic qualifier. In what world should a team that lost to Marshall be playing for a national title? And that's just one example I remember off the top of my head because I watched a lot of big 12 back then. I know there are other examples of a bad team pulling off an upset in the conference championship gameNyAggie said:Quote:
I'm fine with giving a G5 team a shot if their resume is truly one of the best 4 in the country, or if it is expanded to 6 or 8. If UH had run the table in 2016 after opening the season with a win at #3 OU (and also played Lamar Jackson and #5 Lousiville) they would have had a real chance to get in, but they lost 3 games that year after beating OU. To say the G5 should have an automatic bid is where there will be problems. To say anyone should have an automatic bid is problematic. What if UCLA and UH were good this year and beat OU in the non conference, then OU loses to Kansas State like they did this year and still wins the Big 12 with one conference loss...now they are in the playoffs with 3 losses? Come on.
That OU scenario does not happen often
The thing about giving conference champs auto bids at least takes away the debate over which conference is tougher than the other one, because with auto bids the winner of each league makes it in
No subjectivity, you take care of business in conference and you get in
It was always that way to qualify for a major NYD bowl: then the extra slots were filled with at large teams that didn't win their respective conferences, or independents like notre dame, penn st and Miami back in the day
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like notre dame, penn st and Miami back in the day
I know it doesn't happen often, but it does happen. In 2003 a 3 loss Kansas State team that lost to Marshall upset #1 OU in the Big 12 championship game and played in the Fiesta Bowl because of the automatic qualifier. In what world should a team that lost to Marshall be playing for a national title? And that's just one example I remember off the top of my head because I watched a lot of big 12 back then. I know there are other examples of a bad team pulling off an upset in the conference championship game
That's what will diminish the importance of the regular season, you can lose three games in a row in October with one of them to Marshall and still win a national championship because of an upset to win your conference championship
If that's how you like it then okay we disagree, but a lot of people don't because they love how every game matters so much every week
Ulrich said:
What changes if Georgia wins? What teams do people then think might be the best in the nation? Does it expand past 4?
The Agenda is to keep Ohio State at #1 ... where is the agenda? This is just your opinion. Nothing more than that.Tamu_mgm said:
There is absolutely a clear agenda to keep Ohio State at #1 all for the sake of "muh eye test," and I guess to knock the SEC down a notch.
LSU is the best team in the nation, based on resume, offense, schedule, eye test, etc. They would've beaten every single one of Ohio St.'s opponents by a larger margin of victory than the buckeyes have. I guess the committee is holding LSU's lack of dominant defense against them that much.
