Given the capacity of Kyle, Reed, etc., the majority of students will not attend games or Muster. It will be a very different student experience.

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The unprecedented growth in student enrollment since 2012 has strained every aspect of the campus environment, imposing burdens on staffing, faculty and teaching resources, space, transportation, technology and virtually every campus service. The university has not yet caught up.

Although growth has significantly slowed, with freshman class sizes holding relatively steady for the past few years, slow growth is expected to continue. Over the next few years enrollment is likely to approach 75,000 students

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https://provost.tamu.edu/Strategic-Planning

NOT a fan of turning A&M into a fuggin diploma mill.

Wait...what? What evidence exists that A&M has become a diploma mill?

Admissions standards are up but demand is still so high that A&M gets more top flight students applying than previous years.

Yes the school has grown by over 30,000 students since the mid to late 90s but if the university is admitting qualified students of higher academic caliber, what's the problem?

Sounds like pitch language to get more money. No problem with that.

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Wait...what? What evidence exists that A&M has become a diploma mill?

Admissions standards are up but demand is still so high that A&M gets more top flight students applying than previous years.

Yes the school has grown by over 30,000 students since the mid to late 90s but if the university is admitting qualified students of higher academic caliber, what's the problem?

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I agree with this. My son just got accepted into Engineering and is obviously more than qualiified. He has a buddy that is waiting for his decision that is a very strong student, but just under the auto admit as far as SAT goes.

There are some students that will not get in that would have been easily accepted 20 years ago.

What many folks fail to realize is that the population of this state has exploded and is still going up at a pretty steep climb. The infrastructure of our university systems just hasn't been able to keep up.

Everybody gets a trophy society. Let them all in. I know this comes as a suprise to many but you only need so many chiefs. Those are pretty easy to find now days. So
Many have been given the title now many of them suck upon graduation.

Why not limit enrollment to 50,000 and shunt off excess lower classmen (by date of approval of admission or SAT score) to other branches such as WTAMU, Kingsville, Laredo, Commerce, Tarleton, etc?

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Wait...what? What evidence exists that A&M has become a diploma mill?

Admissions standards are up but demand is still so high that A&M gets more top flight students applying than previous years.

Yes the school has grown by over 30,000 students since the mid to late 90s but if the university is admitting qualified students of higher academic caliber, what's the problem?

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Its not just about the quality of students. If the professors are substandard you are a diploma mill as well. Your degree means nothing if you do not have the requisite knowledge and skills after graduating to be an effective hire.

Even if student quality goes up, if the profs and infrastructure are not able to keep up the quality of the education decreases.

Get it?

This is how you lose your culture. Yeah let's let in everyone at the top of their class....at the expense of those that can properly shake your hand and hold a conversation.

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Wait...what? What evidence exists that A&M has become a diploma mill?

Admissions standards are up but demand is still so high that A&M gets more top flight students applying than previous years.

Yes the school has grown by over 30,000 students since the mid to late 90s but if the university is admitting qualified students of higher academic caliber, what's the problem?

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Speaking as a parent of a junior at A&M, calling it a "diploma mill" is an insult to the kids busting their asses to get in and get a good degree. Eff any old Ags on that high horse.

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This is how you lose your culture. Yeah let's let in everyone at the top of their class....at the expense of those that can properly shake your hand and hold a conversation.

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If you feel the need to grab a part of somebody's body and shake it before you can be nice then you have far worse problems than you think I have.

What's the culture and student experience of a university with 75,000 students? Is it similar to a commuter college?

If a small percentage of students attend fish camp, football/basketball games, muster/silver taps, etc., is that a problem?

"The Factory" at College station .......uggg

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touchdown96 said:

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Wait...what? What evidence exists that A&M has become a diploma mill?

Admissions standards are up but demand is still so high that A&M gets more top flight students applying than previous years.

Yes the school has grown by over 30,000 students since the mid to late 90s but if the university is admitting qualified students of higher academic caliber, what's the problem?

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I agree with this. My son just got accepted into Engineering and is obviously more than qualiified. He has a buddy that is waiting for his decision that is a very strong student, but just under the auto admit as far as SAT goes.

There are some students that will not get in that would have been easily accepted 20 years ago.

What many folks fail to realize is that the population of this state has exploded and is still going up at a pretty steep climb. The infrastructure of our university systems just hasn't been able to keep up.

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20 years ago the engineering department was much more prestigious. Admissions was soft capped near 10,000 students. Actual graduation rate was under 25%. For transfer students the ratio dropped under 17%.

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Why not limit enrollment to 50,000 and shunt off excess lower classmen (by date of approval of admission or SAT score) to other branches such as WTAMU, Kingsville, Laredo, Commerce, Tarleton, etc?

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Because John Sharp wants TAMU-CS to be the biggest in everything ... including revenue.

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NOT a fan of turning A&M into a fuggin diploma mill.

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Ummmm...I dunno...more Aggies in this world might be a good thing?

75,000?! **** me, is it that high now?


Leave it to Democrats to raise the cost of an education while lowering the value.

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Why not limit enrollment to 50,000 and shunt off excess lower classmen (by date of approval of admission or SAT score) to other branches such as WTAMU, Kingsville, Laredo, Commerce, Tarleton, etc?

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or TAMUSanAntonio

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Everybody gets a trophy society. Let them all in. I know this comes as a suprise to many but you only need so many chiefs. Those are pretty easy to find now days. So
Many have been given the title now many of them suck upon graduation.

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This is 'Old Man Yelling at the Clouds' nonsense.

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Wait...what? What evidence exists that A&M has become a diploma mill?

Admissions standards are up but demand is still so high that A&M gets more top flight students applying than previous years.

Yes the school has grown by over 30,000 students since the mid to late 90s but if the university is admitting qualified students of higher academic caliber, what's the problem?

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Speaking as a parent of a junior at A&M, calling it a "diploma mill" is an insult to the kids busting their asses to get in and get a good degree. Eff any old Ags on that high horse.

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Agree. Get really tired of this mentality. Having a kid in college and two more coming up, I can tell you without question, my kids are working much harder than I had to work in school.

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Why not limit enrollment to 50,000 and shunt off excess lower classmen (by date of approval of admission or SAT score) to other branches such as WTAMU, Kingsville, Laredo, Commerce, Tarleton, etc?

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Because John Sharp wants TAMU-CS to be the biggest in everything ... including revenue.

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It certainly seems that way. He is supposed to be the Chancellor, not the president of the College Station campus.
Build up the system schools. Make the other institutions even better. It doesn't have to be at the expense of the flagship in College Station. But increase the value of the other schools too. Reduce the acceptance rate at the College Station campus.

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Why not limit enrollment to 50,000 and shunt off excess lower classmen (by date of approval of admission or SAT score) to other branches such as WTAMU, Kingsville, Laredo, Commerce, Tarleton, etc?

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Higher Education is a Government Business.

You have to grow revenue. Two ways. Enrollment. More importantly... FORMER STUDENTS. One feeds the other. If you have 20K students, graduating 5K students more each year, then you have a larger base.

I'd be willing to bet, A&M makes more money post-graduation from former-student donations, than they probably make while paying tuition as a student. The overhead of buildings, electricity and professors reducing the profitability. Meanwhile, hiring a bunch of students for a $10/hr call center has the potential to score big money each year.

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Why ya gotta label me?

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touchdown96 said:

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Wait...what? What evidence exists that A&M has become a diploma mill?

Admissions standards are up but demand is still so high that A&M gets more top flight students applying than previous years.

Yes the school has grown by over 30,000 students since the mid to late 90s but if the university is admitting qualified students of higher academic caliber, what's the problem?

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I agree with this. My son just got accepted into Engineering and is obviously more than qualiified. He has a buddy that is waiting for his decision that is a very strong student, but just under the auto admit as far as SAT goes.

There are some students that will not get in that would have been easily accepted 20 years ago.

What many folks fail to realize is that the population of this state has exploded and is still going up at a pretty steep climb. The infrastructure of our university systems just hasn't been able to keep up.

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20 years ago the engineering department was much more prestigious. Admissions was soft capped near 10,000 students. Actual graduation rate was under 25%. For transfer students the ratio dropped under 17%.

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NOt that I don't believe you, but do you have something to support this?

Most rankings I have seen have A&M somewhere around 10-15 Engineering school. Some areas are ranked higher than that...ARe you saying A&M used to be top 10?

A&M's website says there are around 15k Engineering students. Given the growth in the population of Texas, I don't think having 15 now versus 10k a while back is that out of line.

Again, I don't doubt your thoughts on this, I just wonder if this is your feeling or is there something backing this up?

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touchdown96 said:

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Wait...what? What evidence exists that A&M has become a diploma mill?

Admissions standards are up but demand is still so high that A&M gets more top flight students applying than previous years.

Yes the school has grown by over 30,000 students since the mid to late 90s but if the university is admitting qualified students of higher academic caliber, what's the problem?

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Speaking as a parent of a junior at A&M, calling it a "diploma mill" is an insult to the kids busting their asses to get in and get a good degree. Eff any old Ags on that high horse.

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This. Requirements have gone up with enrollment. That's not a diploma mill. TAMU's profile is much bigger nationally and internationally than it ever has been. A lot of kids want to go to school there. There are a lot of Old Army, myself included, that would have a really hard time qualifying for enrollment today. My daughter is a Jr CVEN. Her roommates and friends are incredibly smart, focused, articulate, and generally talented young people. They aren't struggling to get jobs either.

My impression is predominately shaped by the College of Engineering. I'm not sure how Ag, Ed, and Business schools are doing. Maybe things are different outside of engineering.

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NOT a fan of turning A&M into a fuggin diploma mill.

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Not as bad as letting non-regs in the door.

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Wait...what? What evidence exists that A&M has become a diploma mill?

Admissions standards are up but demand is still so high that A&M gets more top flight students applying than previous years.

Yes the school has grown by over 30,000 students since the mid to late 90s but if the university is admitting qualified students of higher academic caliber, what's the problem?

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Setting the admissions standard issue aside, as that's a debatable and complicated matter all to itself, rapid growth brings other challenges.

One poster above brought up being able to hire equally qualified faculty at a high rate. There are various challenges regarding class sizes*, including one-on-one instruction with professors, allowing for questions and discussion during class, etc. There are various challenges regarding facilities, such as access to labs, access to libraries and study space, and access to all sorts of other facilities.

* Class sizes are skewing considerably larger than they were 10 years ago. A&M has 554 more classes with more than 40 students and only 249 more classes with less than 40 students than 10 years ago.

Remove Sharp.

Suppose veterans were Aggies, but decided to be "non-regs", do you support banning them?

The Top 10 percent rule has run its course and should be adjusted to a lesser percentage around Top 5. Why? Because not all school are equal. A Top 10 stodent in one school might be far from a Top 10 were he or she in another school. Surely A&M has stats to support this fact. And the population growth is another factor that inflates Top 10 numbers.

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NOT a fan of turning A&M into a fuggin diploma mill.

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It already is and has been for several years now.

I would assume alot of this is directly related to the population explosion in the state of Texas. Demand is insanely high

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The Top 10 percent rule has run its course and should be adjusted to a lesser percentage around Top 5. Why? Because not all school are equal. A Top 10 stodent in one school might be far from a Top 10 were he or she in another school. Surely A&M has stats to support this fact. And the population growth is another factor that inflates Top 10 numbers.

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Especially due to grade inflation at the HS level....a 93 is now a 101 GPA overall. If you can fog a mirror you can graduate HS with a 95+.

It becomes an infrastructure issue after a while. On campus and off. Plus, grow the other system schools.

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strbrst777 said:

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The Top 10 percent rule has run its course and should be adjusted to a lesser percentage around Top 5. Why? Because not all school are equal. A Top 10 stodent in one school might be far from a Top 10 were he or she in another school. Surely A&M has stats to support this fact. And the population growth is another factor that inflates Top 10 numbers.

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Especially due to grade inflation at the HS level....a 93 is now a 101 GPA overall. If you can fog a mirror you can graduate HS with a 95+.

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This is not true, at all.

Yes, the multipliers are a factor, but I can tell you the classes that are giving these are very difficult classes. I graduated HS 30 years ago with a 92 and I can tell you, it is not the same as a 101 now.